Author Topic: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana (Read 19673 times)

JeffG · « **Reply #30 on:** November 21, 2010, 07:17:47 AM »

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I think there are too many intoxicated people in this country as it is.

Somebody has to get off their a$$ and go to work Monday morning besides ME.

wncchester · « **Reply #31 on:** December 02, 2010, 08:12:11 AM »

"The reasons I think it should be legal is because it would help everything! If they do it will be taxed the same day making more money because it will still probably be cheaper than buying it off the street. "

I think that's highly improbable, what we have isn't good but what we would get would be even worse. I suspect "legal" weed would quickly get taxed to the point tobacco now is in New York, making illegal trafficing remain quite profitable same as illegal trafficing in cigerettes is so the costs of legal production, distribution and control would require another layer of gobberment "enforcement" that would end up costing much more than it could possibly produce. The politicians would adjust the taxes so the illegal trade would continue and justify even more taxes to continue "controlling" it without accomplishing a thing.

JeffG · « **Reply #32 on:** December 02, 2010, 09:26:12 AM »

Yes, something has to get better, because as it is, with the cost of (murdered) human lives that it takes to get the weed to consumers as things are, the stuff has to start tasting like blood pretty soon. If you smoke weed, you don't care a cop has probably been killed in its delivery. My2 cents.

HOG · « **Reply #33 on:** December 04, 2010, 05:20:00 AM »

to legalize marijuana will produce generations of lethargic, complacent, non producers. Now for those of you who argue that you've used for years.........what might have been?

hillbill · « **Reply #34 on:** December 04, 2010, 11:08:12 AM »

Quote from: HOG on December 04, 2010, 05:20:00 AM

to legalize marijuana will produce generations of lethargic, complacent, non producers. Now for those of you who argue that you've used for years.........what might have been?

umm yea, thats what i been tryin to say.i dont want my kids dooin it. i did it but i dont want my kids dooin it, do yu?

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billy_56081 · « **Reply #35 on:** December 04, 2010, 03:43:25 PM »

Quote from: HOG on December 04, 2010, 05:20:00 AM

to legalize marijuana will produce generations of lethargic, complacent, non producers. Now for those of you who argue that you've used for years.........what might have been?

I don't know, I happen to have a very good friend who recently sold his buisiness which he was CEO of for several hundrend million. He is an everyday smoker. I think you are what you are. I myself have no problem with the legalization of pot. I am against taxing it as I am against most taxes. No I am not a smoker, I have several times, but all it does is makes me sleepy, and when you are partying and having fun, going to bed and sleeping is not much of a party.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #36 on:** December 08, 2010, 05:15:34 AM »

I have never tried it , but am tired of paying for a war on pot with little or no gain . The fact that booze is legal only points out the foolishness of it all. You can't make laws that people won't follow and expect them to work.

As to the what if you had not smoked ? Suppose I had ? Life may have been better or not who really knows ? Relaxed maybe , not a bad thing ......

torpedoman · « **Reply #37 on:** December 08, 2010, 04:12:50 PM »

Prohibition did not work in the 20/30's it is not working again, but this time it is allowing the government to grow at an alarming rate so i guess if you ask the government it is working just fine. I have a medical mj card and use it for pain and leg cramp relief and only use it as a medicine, don't really care for it that much, but doc said if i take his pills in a few years i'll need a new liver.Instant relief from leg crams due to nerve damage in the back from a fragmented disc. No possible repair.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #38 on:** December 10, 2010, 07:45:35 AM »

20's & 30's , it ain't worked since the whiskey rebellion . They can stop illegal production when there is a legal source aval.

bigbore442001 · « **Reply #39 on:** January 02, 2011, 01:58:07 PM »

Hmm. I hear some aspects regarding this argument quite often with the young men I work with. I hate to say it but there are a number of fallacies regarding the legalization of the growth, possession and use of marijuana as a recreational drug. Many people have this idea that if you legalize marijuana you will solve all of the problems that are associated with it in its present condition. To me that can be countered with a good argument at what is happening in the land where it's use has been decriminalized. Holland has always been a nexus of pot heads for a long time. They have a very libertine policy towards marijuana and hashish. The fact is that up to 70% of the property crime has been related to addicts who need money to buy their drug of choice. Also there are some people claiming that organized crime is now getting involved in the drug scene,even though it is "legal". So much for solving the crime problem.

As someone pointed out before we have enough people intoxicated in our society and we don't need that to increase. I agree on that. When we get a referral for treatment( Oh, by the way, I work at a rehabilitation for adolescent males who are involved in drugs and/or alcohol.) I conduct educational testing on these young men when they first enter the six month program. As a rule most of these boys are testing in all academic areas two, three or more grade levels below their age. When they leave the same testing indicates that after being clean for six months their cognitive functions begin to normalize. I will see an increase of two or more grade levels on an average. There is a saying," He smoked himself stupid." Another thing that happens is that one's reflexes return to normal. One's pyscho-motor skills return to a more normal state. Often a kid who has been on marijuana for a while cannot catch a ball thrown to them. Yes. I see it every time we get a new kid in so don't tell me this bovine excrement that it doesn't affect the body.

Also I hear this same diatribe all the time about how George Washington grew marijuana,etc. Well a common crop for rope making of the day was hemp. Hemp is related to marijuana but it does not contain the cabbanoids that affect the body. You can smoke hemp all day long and you will just vomit your lungs out. There is too much of this falsehood about the so called founding fathers sitting around the campfire with a bong.

If marijuana were to be legalized don't expect it to be like tobacco. I suspect that most states will decriminalize it. THose over 21 will be given a fine over a certain amunt whereas those under age will be sent to jail or forced to go to treatment.

vanguard · « **Reply #40 on:** January 02, 2011, 06:20:10 PM »

do you really think we need more things to tax? the us wastes the taxes they get now, that is all they need is to get more to blow.

gunner69 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 02, 2011, 06:45:24 PM »

Now that would really piss off the Mexicans digging the Million $$$ + tunnels. A retired prison guard says the Alcohol causes fights NOT Marijuana in lockup. I see no reason not to legalize it, and tax it, cutting out the Mexicans. In Canada it's legal and they don't have our problems.

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:57:58 AM »

i agree shootal. don t use it ,don t want my grandkids to..but prohibition just don t work..
it just produces capones by the thousands..jmo. slim

bubba · « **Reply #43 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:11:31 AM »

I work with mentally ill and it is quite pevelent there. There is a great deal of complacent live of the govt entitlement lifestyle there. I personally as a nurse am against it being legalized due to what I see daily. However when we try to counsel one guy who is a very heavy user, but works 40 hous a week and is productive he replies evey time. "God made pot, man mamde beer. Who do you trust?" He uses it to combat very heavy symptoms of ptsd from a horrible childhood. Without it, he woud never function.

torpedoman · « **Reply #44 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:05:03 PM »

There has been some medical research done in Canada that shows hash oil cured some forms of cancer. It also slowed the progress of other cancers. Maybe the U.S. should find some research or allow others to do it.

Dogshooter · « **Reply #45 on:** January 10, 2011, 04:04:11 AM »

The original poster seems to have something in common with a young man, currently in custody, in Arizona. I understand he was a strong advocate for legalizing pot as well.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #46 on:** January 13, 2011, 05:19:46 AM »

Quote from: Dogshooter on January 10, 2011, 04:04:11 AM

The original poster seems to have something in common with a young man, currently in custody, in Arizona. I understand he was a strong advocate for legalizing pot as well.

Give me a break! What a ridiculous thing to say! I have known many who smoke pot and have never had the urge to do bodily harm to others. I even tried it a couple of times my younger days, and never had the slightest urge to go out and shoot someone.

People just don't want to admit the war on drugs has been and is, a miserable failure. You cannot legislate morality.
The government cannot control the sale of it like tobacco. You can grow the stuff anywhere, so why would people buy it, when they can grow it? They can tobacco, because even though you can grow it easily, the problem is curing it to make it usable. Not a problem with Marijuana.Just grow it, dry it and smoke it.

I say decriminalize the use of it. Make it a crime to sell it. Esp. to children. (Like alcohol.)

45-70.gov · « **Reply #47 on:** January 13, 2011, 05:40:44 AM »

freedom isn't free.......its just that simple

for all those that want to keep the gastapo after the drug ealers

freedom isn't free .....many died for freedom...even more died from it

it is really that simple ...... you believe in freedom or you don't

i think ALL drugs should be legal.....put the dealers out of work and the week can die

read my signature......i was told i would get flack from it but i haven't

it is MY JOB to raise my kids and keep them from such things

not the governments job to take other peoples rights to stupidity ... to help me

Spirithawk · « **Reply #48 on:** January 27, 2011, 06:00:46 PM »

Man made alcohol. God made weed. Which one do you trust?

torpedoman · « **Reply #49 on:** January 27, 2011, 06:42:48 PM »

on a related note a bill has been introduced in the wash state senate to legalize and tax it and sell it in the state run liquor stores. If this happens and the feds decide to raid the place do they arrest the governor of wash state for dealing??

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #50 on:** January 27, 2011, 09:10:48 PM »

I have thought about getting a medical card and try to get away from the daily pain meds I am on now (low but steady dosage of narcotics). But being as its still illegal and I like my firearms, I haven't persued it any further than thought. As it is a natural substance I would think it less damaging to the body. (see Spirithawks post)

torpedoman (TMSS?) do you have a Bill number?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #51 on:** January 28, 2011, 01:40:55 AM »

Quote from: Spirithawk on January 27, 2011, 06:00:46 PM

Man made alcohol. God made weed. Which one do you trust?

God's son turned water to wine . This is a silly argument really as God either gave us what we have or gave us the ablity to make it . Its how we use things that counts or abuse them .

billy_56081 · « **Reply #52 on:** January 28, 2011, 10:01:50 AM »

Quote from: Spirithawk on January 27, 2011, 06:00:46 PM

Man made alcohol. God made weed. Which one do you trust?

GOd didn't make the weed we have today anymore than he made the fermetation process. Try a little BC bud once. Take about 2 or 3 deep hits and see how long you stay awake.

chris112 · « **Reply #53 on:** January 29, 2011, 06:21:30 PM »

All I have to do is look at some of the potheads I unfortunally work with and that is enough for me to say no it doesn't need to be legallized, ever, not even for medicinal use.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #54 on:** January 30, 2011, 11:05:04 AM »

But then I have worked with alcoholics as well, and they would come back from drinking lunch with the boss. $:-\$ So should alcohol be criminalized again? After being to a couple of pro sporting events, why do I want to listen to a bunch of drunks argue about a call made in the last quarter or inning? Whats a pot head gonna say? "Bummer dude"? and go back to snacking?.

All of that was in response to nw-hunters post, he is absolutely right that the whole war on drugs has been a miserable failure, with the exception of getting cold medicines off the shelf, and violence for control of trade onto our borders. And he is absolutely correct in that morality will not be legislated. Wasn't abortion legalized to get IT out of the dark alleys?

For the record I do feel that there are very valid arguments to be had from both sides, both pro and con. I suppose i don't care one way or the other anymore.

Once again, I am not flaming anybody on either side of the aisle, just trying to look at it objectivly.From both (all?) sides.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #55 on:** January 31, 2011, 04:44:47 AM »

Quote from: chris112 on January 29, 2011, 06:21:30 PM

All I have to do is look at some of the potheads I unfortunally work with and that is enough for me to say no it doesn't need to be legallized, ever, not even for medicinal use.

i am glad you are advacateing
that government take VIOLENT ACTION
to look out for some one elses best interest

why don't you just work somewhere else
become your own boss and fire pot heads
i cant stand working with popers...or being any where near them
but i do respect their freedom....and i just avoid them

tcencore3006 · « **Reply #56 on:** January 31, 2011, 06:27:18 AM »

If you thought pot abuse with kids is bad now wait till it gets legalized. I know plenty of good kids that won't buy it from a dealer because it is illegal but they will gladly smoke it if it is. Bad idea. If it is legalized they should tax the heck out of it.

Gary G · « **Reply #57 on:** January 31, 2011, 06:43:17 AM »

Quote from: tcencore3006 on January 31, 2011, 06:27:18 AM

If you thought pot abuse with kids is bad now wait till it gets legalized. I know plenty of good kids that won't buy it from a dealer because it is illegal but they will gladly smoke it if it is. Bad idea. If it is legalized they should tax the heck out of it.

When prohibition was enacted, use of alcohol went up considerably. When it was repealed, use went down to previous levels before the prohibition.

Gary G · « **Reply #58 on:** January 31, 2011, 06:49:19 AM »

Repeal the laws making it illegal and the price will drop considerably. Drug dealers would have to find another form of work and crime would fall. Many in the prisons are guilty of victim-less crimes, yet it is a burden on society paying for it.

I don't have any use for drugs, but I should have the right to make that decision, not the nanny state.

tcencore3006 · « **Reply #59 on:** January 31, 2011, 07:10:07 AM »

Gary, I don't mean you any disrespect but you sound a little be like an idealist to me. It sounds good, but it will never happen. Do you really think drug dealers are going to find an honest form of work and crime will fall?