Author Topic: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana (Read 19663 times)

Gary G · « **Reply #60 on:** January 31, 2011, 07:28:21 AM »

Quote from: tcencore3006 on January 31, 2011, 07:10:07 AM

Gary, I don't mean you any disrespect but you sound a little be like an idealist to me. It sounds good, but it will never happen. Do you really think drug dealers are going to find an honest form of work and crime will fall?

Well, that is what happened after prohibition with many, but some just moved into other illegal activity. Crime did go down.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #61 on:** January 31, 2011, 01:20:07 PM »

Quote from: tcencore3006 on January 31, 2011, 07:10:07 AM

Gary, I don't mean you any disrespect but you sound a little be like an idealist to me. It sounds good, but it will never happen. Do you really think drug dealers are going to find an honest form of work and crime will fall?

If you thought pot abuse with kids is bad now wait till it gets legalized. I know plenty of good kids that won't buy it from a dealer because it is illegal but they will gladly smoke it if it is. Bad idea. If it is legalized they should tax the heck out of it.

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i don't mean you any disrespect
but it is MY job to raise MY kids
YOUR job to raise YOUR kids

not many people aggree that its the GOVERNMENTS JOB to raise kids

do you believe in FREEDOM?

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Gary G · « **Reply #62 on:** January 31, 2011, 03:29:55 PM »

Portugal as example: (but I don't like the socialism)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8130163.stm

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #63 on:** January 31, 2011, 03:53:20 PM »

After watching a program on NatGeo channel (Marijuana: a chronic history)I altered a few of my views. One stat they gave was that current use by teenagers is down around 2%.Yeah, I know about stats. Now the DARE program has been in effect at most schools for around two decades. If The impact is only 2% is it working? If the impact after an equally long war on drugs is only 2%,is it working? Portugal saw NO significant increase in drug usage.

Tommie D · « **Reply #64 on:** January 31, 2011, 04:16:57 PM »

I want a job as a Hangman, so I say hang all growers/dealers/users from the Gallows Pole.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #65 on:** January 31, 2011, 04:19:50 PM »

where will the C.I.A. get there funding ??

congress??....like they can keep a secret

government agencys need a slush fund

what better place then the drug industry

all the while they take our tax money to protect us from the evil weed

Gary G · « **Reply #66 on:** February 01, 2011, 05:26:07 AM »

Quote from: 45-70.gov on January 31, 2011, 04:19:50 PM

where will the C.I.A. get there funding ??

congress??....like they can keep a secret

government agencys need a slush fund

what better place then the drug industry

all the while they take our tax money to protect us from the evil weed

Yup, and the "drug war" keeps the price high for their benefit, and gives the government power to knock down your door without a warrant. (Is this constitutional?) Sometimes they even get the address wrong and shoot the doggy.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #67 on:** February 01, 2011, 07:03:23 AM »

From supplying 30% of the worlds opium to what now, 70%, them afghans are a whiz at marketing. Or is just since the USA has been involved?? Democracy and Lithium my @$$

+1 Gary, Try going down a "designated drug highway" with more than a few thousand in cash (Rights?),and get pulled over. How long will it take for the DA to draw up a, state VS. $$$$$, charge ? If any of that cash has any resudule amount of drugs (Think spectrometer) on it, you can say goodbye to your property. Never mind that your a businessman. Ought to change the title of War on Drugs, to assault on Liberty. four legs goooood, two legs b-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-d.

Spirithawk · « **Reply #68 on:** February 01, 2011, 07:06:42 AM »

If they legalized it for personal use only, and sold permits to grow X amount while keeping it illegal to sell, then they could still have their farce of a war on drugs, against those that did sell it, all the while getting an added income for themselves. They'd double, or more, their budget to fight more serious drugs! Fewer people would go to jail for stiffer penalties than most rapist and murderers get, so we'd save money there too, and maybe the rapist and murderers would get the sentences they actually deserve because there'd actually be room in prisons to put them which in turn would definitely save one heck of a lot of inocent lives being taken every day by repeat offenders! Nice thought any way. $:-\$

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #69 on:** February 01, 2011, 10:17:11 AM »

Its not about smoking pot its about money. Most see the millions drug dealers make but ignore the billions pissed away on fighting a losing battle. As long as both sides have the cash comming in don't expect it to change .

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #70 on:** February 01, 2011, 10:43:11 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on February 01, 2011, 10:17:11 AM

Its not about smoking pot its about money. Most see the millions drug dealers make but ignore the billions pissed away on fighting a losing battle. As long as both sides have the cash comming in don't expect it to change .

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45-70.gov · « **Reply #71 on:** February 01, 2011, 05:23:38 PM »

Quote from: Pat/Rick on February 01, 2011, 10:43:11 AM

Quote from: SHOOTALL on February 01, 2011, 10:17:11 AM
Its not about smoking pot its about money. Most see the millions drug dealers make but ignore the billions pissed away on fighting a losing battle. As long as both sides have the cash comming in don't expect it to change .

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williamlayton · « **Reply #72 on:** February 02, 2011, 03:08:59 AM »

This is my view---and I see it clearly.
Folks are going to do what they want---see the apple in the garden.
Right/wrong/moral/immoral---it happens.
Laws don't prevent.
Morals don't prevent.
The thought is that folks seem to find a way of living to the lowest and easiest ends.
Can you make someone want to not live under a bridge. don't even bring up opportunity. Opportunity always exists---some just don't want it.
IF, you want to eliminate the backlash---the wars and gangs--then bring it out to the light---let it find its own level----and----it will find a level.
It is not an un-winable war--you just have to let it burn itself out.
Blessings

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #73 on:** February 02, 2011, 03:38:05 AM »

Cut off the tax dollars ,

Avyctes · « **Reply #74 on:** February 08, 2011, 08:12:06 AM »

Just because something is illegal per the law does not make it wrong, merely unlawful.

Conversely, making something legal, that we all know is inherently wrong, will not make it right, either.

The effects of marijuana are widely known. I don't think anyone here will debate the fact that it is a debilitating drug. The fact that alcohol is a debilitating drug and is legal does not mean we should make legal every mind-warping drug that is out there in the interest of free commerce and tax revenue. Piss on the tax revenue. Don't we pay enough taxes as it is? Don't we have enough people hooked on drugs, making people's lives miserable, making a nuisance of themselves on the roads and out in society, than to make it easy to get, legal to do in public? The only reason some people don't do it is because it is illegal. I know that for a fact. The number of users would double.

And where will it stop? Make cocaine legal next? And then what? Methamphetamine? Prescription pain killers?

No, this reminds me of where TV was 50 years ago versus where it is now, due to an increasingly decadent society that convinces someone that it isn't really wrong. I can't watch a show with my 13 year old but that foul talk, that used to be reserved for rated R movies, is flying out of someones mouth. Before you know it it'll be kosher for your pastor to use the Fword to punctuate his sermons on Sunday.

This debate is the result of a decadent nation, on the decline, who want others to jump on the band wagon and agree with them that "Oh you're right, it's not so bad!". "Ah com'on, the Fword isn't that bad, we should be able to use it during regular day time hours on our networks." "Marijuana is a much milder drug than alcohol, which is already legal!"

Bla bla bla.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #75 on:** February 08, 2011, 10:37:30 AM »

nw_hunter · « **Reply #76 on:** February 10, 2011, 04:23:09 AM »

Here's what retired sheriff from Arizona R Mack has to say about the war on drugs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flIfVJKOrLg&feature=watch_response

Gary G · « **Reply #77 on:** February 10, 2011, 05:42:04 AM »

http://mises.org/daily/2957
"What's amazing is that most of this imprisoning trend is recent, dating really from the 1980s, and most of the change is due to drug laws. From 1925 to 1975, the rate of imprisonment was stable at 110, lower than the international average, which is what you might expect in a country that purports to value freedom. But then it suddenly shot up in the 1980s. There were 30,000 people in jail for drugs in 1980, while today there are half a million."

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #78 on:** February 10, 2011, 05:45:12 AM »

Look at the number of kids in jail for doing what several presidents have admited to doing and one sees the BS here we as tax payers are footing the bill for.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #79 on:** February 10, 2011, 07:32:23 AM »

nw_hunter, thanks for the link, always good to get a professionals outlook.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #80 on:** February 10, 2011, 01:40:15 PM »

Quote from: Pat/Rick on February 10, 2011, 07:32:23 AM

nw_hunter, thanks for the link, always good to get a professionals outlook.

You bet!

I bet most people sent to prison for doing drugs are still enjoying them in their cells!
How do you suppose they get in there?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #81 on:** February 11, 2011, 01:22:05 AM »

The jail in Richmond Va. is at the base of a high hill . Every morning before they allow inmates to enter the exersize yard they have to look for drug packages shot in on arrows .

Junior1942 · « **Reply #82 on:** February 11, 2011, 04:16:00 AM »

We need to intensify the war on drugs. Seems every town big and small in Louisiana has a jail or prison, usually both. But my little town, pop ~400, doesn't. So I say pour more tax money into the war, so we can arrest more people and build more jails. My town might get one. The USA has the highest incarceration rate in the world. Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate in the USA. One in every 26 Louisiana citizens is either in jail or in the criminal justice system. If we could increase that figure to 1 in 10, my town would surely get a prison and the resulting jobs.

JBlk · « **Reply #83 on:** February 25, 2011, 02:38:06 AM »

The war on drugs that our government has waged is a failure.The problem with the enforcement is that they rarely get the people who conceive and run the program because they have protected theirselves by many layers of subordinates who are the ones who are arrested and prosecuted.Many of these people who are arrested are in the country illegally or have been raised in poverty and see the chance to make quick and easy money.You can't kill a snake by cutting off the tail, only by removing the head.The volume of income from these sales is tremendous, and the violators have enough income to provide the best attorneys .Many of these people could be removed from the streets if the IRS would consentrate on the sources of their income, but they don't seem to use their resources.Many of the drug runners live at tax payer expense, drive luxury vehicles, wear the best clothing, yet have no employment history and claim a minimal income.I don't know if there is an answer for effective control of drug sales, but I do know that legalizing marijuana is not the answer.That would make as much sense as re- electing the present administration.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #84 on:** February 25, 2011, 03:38:19 AM »

Either make it legal or make the punishment bad enough no one would risk it. As long as its a slap on the rist and a business for LE. it won't change.

Swampman · « **Reply #85 on:** February 25, 2011, 03:58:32 AM »

Make drugs legal and quit wasting taxpayers money.

rugerred · « **Reply #86 on:** April 17, 2011, 08:00:34 AM »

I have been around this old world for over half a century now and have seen and done a whole lot of things. I have seen law enforcement go from helping people in need to being a military force who are more and more infringing on our rights. Pot should have been legalized years ago but until the corrupt powers that be can figure out how to get their hands on a cut then it will remain illegal. The government WASTES more money on the fruitless enforcement against weed than it spends on helping people in this country who truly need it. Is there an end in sight? Probably not in my lifetime but who knows maybe one day people will wake up and smell the coffee and figure out that their war on drugs is a giant waste of money that could be far better utilized on education, rehabilitation and the retraining of law enforcement to remind them that they were supposed to protect and serve and not harrass and intimidate

bkraft · « **Reply #87 on:** April 17, 2011, 12:00:05 PM »

Ever since I was a kid in knickers we have had a war on drugs. Now in my early fifties we still have a war on drugs, when do we realize that we can not legislate morality. Are drugs bad? Sure! Do they screw up people's lives? No argument here. But I ask each and every one of you guys how many lives have been screwed up by alcohol and tobacco. A two pack a day habit put both my folks in the ground. And not only is tobacco legal we have people demanding their "civil right" to smoke in public, even thoughthe effects of second hand smoke are well documented. As far as alcohol is concerned you would be hard pressed to find another substance that has ruined more people than booze yet we have liquor by the drink. Here in Ks. they want to sell it in grocery stores, go to Wal Mart pick up a package of huggies and a fifth of Jack. Do I smoke dope? No, neither do I drink to excess or smoke tobacco. We just need to grow up and legalize it, tax it and subidize American agriculture for growing it. POT that is.

Gary G · « **Reply #88 on:** April 17, 2011, 02:33:00 PM »

In a free country, should there even be a such a thing as a victim-less crime?
If there is no victim, then why is pot a crime?
How many are in prison that committed no crime except in the governments eyes?
Do we live in a free country?

Why does the government want to keep drug prices high?

gr8ful · « **Reply #89 on:** April 17, 2011, 03:45:31 PM »

I just wonder what protected us from the "evil weed" for the 10,000 or so years before the war on drugs saved us? Surely a bunch of stoned hippies didn't invent the stuff.