Author Topic: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana (Read 19661 times)

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #90 on:** April 18, 2011, 03:10:12 AM »

Quote from: gr8ful on April 17, 2011, 03:45:31 PM

I just wonder what protected us from the "evil weed" for the 10,000 or so years before the war on drugs saved us? Surely a bunch of stoned hippies didn't invent the stuff.

I think the founding fathers were the ones who raised it in America for starters , And it seems Presidents even today try it some don't inhale though .

oneoldsap · « **Reply #91 on:** April 18, 2011, 10:01:26 AM »

Oh ya , I remember Slick Willie saying that he didn't inhale when he smoked a joint . Hell he's a Liberal , if he was caught in a Whore House , he would say he was there to listen to the Piano Player . I don't even want to get started on the Monica Lewinsky thing ! He did two things wrong there , he pulled out , and he got caught ! Those things never affected my opinion of Willie Clinton though , I had no more respect for him than any other draft dodger ! You know , like Ted Nugent !

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #92 on:** May 01, 2011, 12:26:01 PM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on September 27, 2010, 03:46:21 AM

Fighting the war on drugs has not had the effect one would hope . It has corrupted the legal system and cost billions in money. It has IMHO turned police departments into military units instead of public supported officers in many locations .

All true; prohibition of weed has done far more damage to far more people, than use of weed has.

Quote from: billy_56081 on September 24, 2010, 05:55:59 PM

Legalise it and don't tax it. I pay enough taxes.

Agreed - why pay the gov't for this? Extortion, like money to the mob...

Quote from: zeke08 on September 28, 2010, 09:03:13 PM

Not to mention God forbid its legal and some pothead is in charge of a nuclear missile or even worse troops and he gets the dang munchies and accidentally launches or looses tract of what the heck he is doing and gets a whole unit killed. Out of all the true pot heads I have dealt with over the years all of them together couldn't make a good complete thought.

Not one of them could make a complete thought? But this coming from a guy who can't spell out looses track of, isn't it?

45-70.gov · « **Reply #93 on:** May 03, 2011, 10:06:30 AM »

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_kind_of_paper_or_parchment_was_the_US_Constitution_written_on

Strat · « **Reply #94 on:** May 04, 2011, 11:49:30 AM »

Look how many hits this subject is getting!

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #95 on:** May 07, 2011, 02:14:42 PM »

This video shows me why it is illegal. It's the cure for cancer!

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/05/07/medical-marijuana-becoming-blockbuster-drug.aspx

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #96 on:** May 07, 2011, 03:45:58 PM »

Shutting down the entire anti industry will put too many well connected folks out of a lucrative business. Think of all the law enforcement officers, corrections officers, lawyers both prosecution and defense. Lets move on to the social welfare crowd as well, add a few doctors, and lets not forget the get tough with crime politicians.

If you think unemployment is tough now imagine the future without a few dopers to kick around.

Gary G · « **Reply #97 on:** May 07, 2011, 05:07:09 PM »

Quote from: Empty Quiver on May 07, 2011, 03:45:58 PM

Shutting down the entire anti industry will put too many well connected folks out of a lucrative business. Think of all the law enforcement officers, corrections officers, lawyers both prosecution and defense. Lets move on to the social welfare crowd as well, add a few doctors, and lets not forget the get tough with crime politicians.

If you think unemployment is tough now imagine the future without a few dopers to kick around.

What a shame

If the wealth of a nation is based on the sum of goods it produces, then what do these "well connected" folks produce. If they are out of a job that means we no longer have to pay their salaries. That means more capital stays in the private sector. Jobs are created from invested capital. Unemployment would drop.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #98 on:** May 08, 2011, 07:24:10 AM »

To be honest there is a part of me that would advocate free drugs for any who would ask. These free drugs would be produced in our penitentiary system. They would be distributed along with other government handouts. I believe a simple voucher that you could take to a pharmacist for refill would be fine.

In no time the prisons would be at half capacity, The truly violent offenders would be producing a product for society. The tweakers could get down to the business of tweaking without having to rob folks for a fix. Drug runners would have to find other crimes to commit as the profit would dry up pretty fast.

Those who are capable of using drugs responsibly could avail themselves to cheap drugs at the same pharmacy, maybe pay a small handling fee as well as a bit of tax. About $5 for a good weekend supply.

What would the spirits industry do? Never work out I suppose.

tinbender · « **Reply #99 on:** May 24, 2011, 06:25:31 PM »

Emptiquiver,

As bizarre as that sounds it makes a certain amount of sense for the hard drug users. I have run a construction company many years and drugs are rampant in the industry. With a choice of pot use on their own time or drinking on there own time the pot users still showed up for work and as a group seem pretty harmless.

I believe Meth is a danger to this society so serious I can't find words strong enough to describe. I object to my tax dollars spent imprisoning someone with a little pot. On the other hand these spun-out people in my experience have been aggressive, self destructive, and psychopathic depending on how much damage they have caused to their brain....calling them dangerous does not do them justice! Please give them Meth and put them put them in prison, send me the bill......they are dieing by inches anyway!

Dave

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #100 on:** May 24, 2011, 07:12:34 PM »

Lock 'em up and enough free dope to get 'er done, I can compromise on that I suppose. Now if you are doped up and commit a crime that ain't a free pass. Smoke a joint, wreck a car and kill someone? go to jail. Smoke crack beat your wife? Go to jail. Just like a good ol' boy and too many whisky and sevens.

But, if you can behave yourself... enjoy. Hurry yourself along to a nice long dirt nap. If you can not figure out that drugs are bad you are doing society and your family no good whatsoever. Stupid should hurt.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #101 on:** May 25, 2011, 08:33:29 AM »

I got my present job because somebody failed a random drug test. I am sure the law ruins more lives than the drug it's self.

Hemp oil cures cancer. If hemp was legal, we could solve the healthcare problem without bankrupting the country.

The constitution is made of hemp. Maybe they will burn the illegal piece of paper and bring us under martial law.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #102 on:** May 25, 2011, 09:17:35 AM »

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on May 25, 2011, 08:33:29 AM

I got my present job because somebody failed a random drug test. I am sure the law ruins more lives than the drug it's self.

Hemp oil cures cancer. If hemp was legal, we could solve the healthcare problem without bankrupting the country.

The constitution is made of hemp. Maybe they will burn the illegal piece of paper and bring us under martial law.

Why my gosh hemp is the Sham Wow of the fiber world. Cures cancer, really?

End bankruptcy, really?

I'm surprised the name hasn't been changed to Maribama yet.

Come on now, it is not all encompassing evil. But, please remember you are talking to adults here. They had those reefers in the way back times too.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #103 on:** May 25, 2011, 05:21:24 PM »

Hemp oil does cure cancer. It is one of 4 cheap simple cures that I know of. 1 in 3 women and 1 in2 men will get cancer and the number are rising fast. Do the research it may save your life and your money. It's not hard to Google "hemp oil cures cancer."

About 50% of the medical budget in America goes to treating cancer.

Modern medicine is the biggest scam perpetrated on man kind since the Garden of Eden.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #104 on:** May 25, 2011, 05:36:52 PM »

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on May 25, 2011, 05:21:24 PM

Hemp oil does cure cancer. It is one of 4 cheap simple cures that I know of. 1 in 3 women and 1 in2 men will get cancer and the number are rising fast. Do the research it may save your life and your money. It's not hard to Google "hemp oil cures cancer.

Yeah sure, and I bet it helps with reading comprehension too. Now it does work for catching a buzz, but it aint curing no cancer.

I am sure we can google up some real bigfoot sightings too.

Gary G · « **Reply #105 on:** May 25, 2011, 05:46:57 PM »

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/05/07/medical-marijuana-becoming-blockbuster-drug.aspx

billy_56081 · « **Reply #106 on:** May 25, 2011, 05:50:22 PM »

http://bigfootsightings.org/

You can find a lot of "proof" on the internet.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #107 on:** May 25, 2011, 06:19:32 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on May 25, 2011, 05:50:22 PM

http://bigfootsightings.org/

You can find a lot of "proof" on the internet.

A bit off topic, isn't it?

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #108 on:** May 25, 2011, 06:29:15 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on May 25, 2011, 05:36:52 PM

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on May 25, 2011, 05:21:24 PM
Hemp oil does cure cancer. It is one of 4 cheap simple cures that I know of. 1 in 3 women and 1 in2 men will get cancer and the number are rising fast. Do the research it may save your life and your money. It's not hard to Google "hemp oil cures cancer.

Yeah sure, and I bet it helps with reading comprehension too. Now it does work for catching a buzz, but it aint curing no cancer.

I am sure we can google up some real bigfoot sightings too.

I know a man who knows everything does not have to do research. I don't know everything, so I do a lot of research.

The plant that cures cancer is the commercial hemp plant used to make rope. Not the marijuana plant. It is low on THC and will not give you a buzz. Unfortunately the government can't tell the difference so both are illegal.

I do not use marijuana in any form so I can't tell you if it helps reading comprehension.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #109 on:** May 25, 2011, 07:15:34 PM »

Quote from: Gary G on May 25, 2011, 05:46:57 PM

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/05/07/medical-marijuana-becoming-blockbuster-drug.aspx

Gary. Dr Mercola, a real medical Dr., who specializes in natural medicine, but is not afraid to use modern medicine when nessesary is the best source of medical information on the web.

Gary G · « **Reply #110 on:** May 26, 2011, 04:02:48 AM »

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Gary. Dr Mercola, a real medical Dr., who specializes in natural medicine, but is not afraid to use modern medicine when nessesary is the best source of medical information on the web.

Farmboy, I agree. I read his book. He exposes some of the quackery. Big pharmacy has bought our senators and congressmen.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #111 on:** May 26, 2011, 06:24:01 AM »

does it matter if it will cure cancer or not

do you or do you not.....believe in freedom?

as per the topic.........''thoughts on legalizing marijuana''/freedom

Bigeasy · « **Reply #112 on:** May 26, 2011, 08:58:30 AM »

Well, it would create a lot of jobs in the potato chip and soft drink industry....

Larry

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #113 on:** May 27, 2011, 08:20:46 AM »

Quote from: 45-70.gov on May 26, 2011, 06:24:01 AM

does it matter if it will cure cancer or not

do you or do you not.....believe in freedom?

as per the topic.........''thoughts on legalizing marijuana''/freedom

Oh, I'm on record here as saying it outta be handed out with gov't cheese to those who can't afford it, meth, heroin too for that matter. That shouldn't be miss construed as to mean I'm a fan of gov't handouts either, but putting drug cartels outta business would be a side benefit of decriminalizing drugs. I'm willing to bet drugs are cheaper to produce than frozen pizza and we give plenty of those away.

I just found the idea that it does cure cancer as opposed to it could ( as does faith ) and stopping medically induced bankruptcy to be a bit over the top. This is the sort of thing that is a very small thing when compared to the real issue of a persons freedom to with there body and mind whatever they so wish. So long as it does not interfere with my life what business is it of mine what you do? I find it cheapens the argument when you say it'll stop all glaucoma or that hemp is the best fiber for making tennis shoes, so that is why we need it. you need it to get stoned, and a side benefit is that an occasional stoner beats cancer.

bubbinator · « **Reply #114 on:** July 01, 2011, 09:52:18 PM »

I an 64, started in LE @ 17, retired twice in Military and State LE, worked drugs local/state/national/international, in enforcement and UC. NOTHING good comes from this substance! Some may claim medical benefits, but they are dopers! Granted the "War on Drugs" has flaws-that is politics-which has NEVER done anything right for US! Treatment with Stong penalties for failure will help!

351 power · « **Reply #115 on:** July 02, 2011, 02:11:20 AM »

i work with a couple guys that are the end result of long term pot use. some others that are recovering alcoholics. the physical and mental deterioration from the weed is very evident. we nurse one of these guys along for his family. till you look down the road on weed or alcohol you have no idea of it's total social cost

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #116 on:** July 02, 2011, 05:30:12 AM »

Quote from: 351 power on July 02, 2011, 02:11:20 AM

i work with a couple guys that are the end result of long term pot use. some others that are recovering alcoholics. the physical and mental deterioration from the weed is very evident. we nurse one of these guys along for his family. till you look down the road on weed or alcohol you have no idea of it's total social cost

Would the money spent on interdiction and incarceration be better spent on treatment? Too many folks on the anti drugs payroll.

Let's say we legalize marijuana. Now let's say it becomes as bad as the anti's profess. Is there some reason it could not be criminalized once again? How about a law akin to the assault weapons ban. It is now legal till 2016 at which time it will once again become illegal unless we vote for an extension or outright repeal of the law?

ratdog · « **Reply #117 on:** July 02, 2011, 10:16:20 PM »

you know you never hear much about are troops that used weed in nam while killing vietnamese.why wasn't Oliver north put in prison for dealing and selling drugs for his war and look at all the young people we put in prison for getting caught with a joint. then we have to feed and cloth them till they get out most come out criminals.most the drugs you get now have so many side effects.marijuana has helped a lot of people with nervous disorders.its all BS.

ironglow · « **Reply #118 on:** July 03, 2011, 01:32:41 AM »

This debate as been tried several times here. Iit always goes on for several pages and nobody changes anybody's opinion. I only have trouble understanding some of the excitability over it.
I pull noxious weeds from my garden all the time and I fail to see the great attachment some place on one noxious weed over another !

I don't like any weeds and the only way I would ever smoke them is burning them in a pile to get rid of them.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #119 on:** July 03, 2011, 05:58:18 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on July 03, 2011, 01:32:41 AM

This debate as been tried several times here. Iit always goes on for several pages and nobody changes anybody's opinion.

It gets 'tried' because it is an issue of individual liberty. And because prohibition is very expensive, and has resulting in the deaths and imprisonment of thousands of your fellow citizens, and militarization of police forces, and these things are not good.

on the plus side of this thread/'debate' here... looks like 70/30 in favor of legalization/personal freedom. That's nice.

you said I sounded like an 'addict' for advocating the legalization position. I'd be curious how you came to that conclusion, apart from insult de jour?

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I only have trouble understanding some of the excitability over it.

Have trouble understanding, do you? Do you understand why some folks like gin & tonic, some like red wine, some like martinis? Can you understand that? Similar.