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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #120 on: July 03, 2011, 09:47:16 PM »
I posted on this before, but see a new angle-you advocate the use of drugs but can't string a good sentence from one thought to the next! Need we say more?

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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #121 on: July 04, 2011, 01:59:05 AM »
  This debate as been tried several times here. Iit always goes on for several pages and nobody changes anybody's opinion.
It gets 'tried' because it is an issue of individual liberty. And because prohibition is very expensive, and has resulting in the deaths and imprisonment of thousands of your fellow citizens, and militarization of police forces, and these things are not good.

on the plus side of this thread/'debate' here... looks like 70/30 in favor of legalization/personal freedom. That's nice.

you said I sounded like an 'addict' for advocating the legalization position. I'd be curious how you came to that conclusion, apart from insult de jour?

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I only have trouble understanding some of the excitability over it.
Have trouble understanding, do you? Do you understand why some folks like gin & tonic, some like red wine, some like martinis? Can you understand that? Similar.
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         Truly, nobody's opinion is changed..as I recall each discussion of this, that is almost invariably the way it wears itself out.  I was telling the truth, wasn't I! 
   The process is only costly and problematical because some people eagerly cave in their lives to a stupid weed ! It is not the enforcement of laws which is causing deaths & imprisonments of thousands of citizens..it is the craving and addiction of these weaker individuals which cause them to willingly break the law!  If I speed on the highway at 120 MPH and crash,  seriously injuring myself, I must take at least PART of the blame, if not all of it.  Not only that, if I take other innocent travellers along with me, that also is my fault and becomes public business.  Mind slowing or bending drugs is everybody's business and most of us would opt for the safer route, especially where our families/children are concerned.

  So the thread is 70/30 in favor of the dope; polls do not make policy, especially with the small, perhaps special interest sample here.

 The question of addiction !  Predicated by such a strident, almost hysterical advocacy for a noxious weed of little positive use !  Would a person advocating for tubed tires over tubeless tires be so excitable and voiciferous as some do when anyone touches upon their beloved dope ?  Would the debate go on for several pages ?  Would the tubed/tubeless argument be refreshed with a new thread every couple weeks ?

  So far as the red wine, gin martinis etc....not all crutches are mde of wood or aluminum..



   BTW:  Some posts back you gave one poster this retort;
      " Not one of them could make a complete thought? But this coming from a guy who can't spell out looses track of, isn't it?"
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   In all due respect, I suggest you not go there.  I have refrained from unnecessarily criticizing such small typographical errors, since that could lead to ridiculous lengths.  While I believe my spelling and elocution are quite adequate, I do have very large fingers and often I get extra letters into a word, because I covered 2 keys with one stroke etc.  We could get into long, pointless wrangles, were we to get too picayune concerning typos..
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #122 on: July 04, 2011, 07:36:05 AM »
I posted on this before, but see a new angle-you advocate the use of drugs
Whom do you address? Speaking for myself... I don't really advocate the use of drugs. What I've advocated in this thread, is freedom; folks can decide on their own what they like to eat/drink/smoke. I've argued that prohibition does a lot of damage, for dubious return. Do you disagree?
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...but can't string a good sentence from one thought to the next!
Whom do you address?
Could have been me... did I mangle subject/verb agreement somewheres? Was something I wrote unclear? I'll be glad to provide clarification, if it was one of my posts. 
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Need we say more?
To make sense, yes - but who is the we that you're speaking for, and whom are you addressing?

70/30 and defense of liberty is no vice (or addiction)

So the thread is 70/30 in favor of the dope
I believe it's 70/30 in favor of liberty, Ironglow, and against Nanny & the police state - but I understand some wanting to put a little stink on it, being on the losing end.
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The question of addiction !
A few posts ago you suggested I was an addict. I wonder - are other posters who share the same position as I re: legalization/War on (some) Drugs - are they addicts, too?
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So far as the red wine, gin martinis etc....not all crutches are mde of wood or aluminum..
True; for some it's a copy of the Koran & zeal against the infidel, and for some others... a Schofield Bible & utter certainty that they're right, and their fellow citizens wrong.
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #123 on: July 04, 2011, 09:30:35 AM »
 Yellow;
     Your silliness doesn't merit a reply.. ;D :-X
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #124 on: July 04, 2011, 11:27:56 AM »
to legalize marijuana will produce generations of lethargic, complacent, non producers. Now for those of you who argue that you've used for years.........what might have been?

FYI there are 2 different strains of grass. one gives you the lethargy and "couch lock" were you are not going to do much. The other actually energizes you and make you want to get busy.
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #125 on: July 07, 2011, 04:24:54 PM »
Another hot button issue.  I used to be a real lock em up type but I have seen the damage that the war on drugs has done to this country in terms of cost, destroying lives and a savaging of our constitutional protections and I have come around to a much more moderate view.  I think that grass ought to be legalized and taxed (but not crazy booze and cig type taxes) and that penalties for selling to kids or driving cars and suchlike out to be made draconian.  What we are doing now benefits no one.
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #126 on: July 08, 2011, 12:49:31 PM »
Another hot button issue.  I used to be a real lock em up type but I have seen the damage that the war on drugs has done to this country in terms of cost, destroying lives and a savaging of our constitutional protections and I have come around to a much more moderate view.  I think that grass ought to be legalized and taxed (but not crazy booze and cig type taxes) and that penalties for selling to kids or driving cars and suchlike out to be made draconian.  What we are doing now benefits no one.

 
This pretty much sums up my point of view. The law causes more harm than the drug. I don't smoke pot and will not if legalized.
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #127 on: July 11, 2011, 05:28:12 AM »
The issue is not pot but the legal industry it created and how to continue to pay for it.
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #128 on: July 11, 2011, 09:49:21 AM »
The issue is not pot but the legal industry it created and how to continue to pay for it.

that 'legal industry' has done, and continues to do, far more damage to American citizens than weed ever could have done.
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #129 on: July 11, 2011, 03:28:49 PM »
The issue is not pot but the legal industry it created and how to continue to pay for it.

that 'legal industry' has done, and continues to do, far more damage to American citizens than weed ever could have done.


agreed


seems  like no one learned any thing from  the prohibition failure  of the past
others just don't beleive  in freedom.....the police state has his foot in the door  with the drug laws
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #130 on: July 11, 2011, 04:45:39 PM »
The Left has gone crazy banning tobacco product. They scream that second smoke is killing everyone. Now they want to smoke hemp any where and every where.  Every time you buy dope you fuel the deaths of another 40 people a day by murder in Mexico. The weed is what fuels the Cartels it is the basic profit for all other drugs that cost the American public millions each year.  There are no Burly Cartels. No tobacco machine gun toting gun runners. Americans spend more on ban tobacco information than on hard drug information. The smoke from hemp will damage your lungs and your brain. This is more decay of American society, plain and simple.

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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #131 on: July 11, 2011, 04:56:29 PM »
The Left has gone crazy banning tobacco product. They scream that second smoke is killing everyone. Now they want to smoke hemp any where and every where.  Every time you buy dope you fuel the deaths of another 40 people a day by murder in Mexico. The weed is what fuels the Cartels it is the basic profit for all other drugs that cost the American public millions each year.  There are no Burly Cartels. No tobacco machine gun toting gun runners. Americans spend more on ban tobacco information than on hard drug information. The smoke from hemp will damage your lungs and your brain. This is more decay of American society, plain and simple.


you  are exactly  RIGHT


THESE DRUG LAWS  FUEL THE CRIME


if  it were legal  and  home grown.....then the crooks would have to get jobs


as  for the mexicans  killing each other  in the drug trade
good  ridence....a few less  crossing the border


seems  like a lot of killings  during prohibition
but  haven't  heard  of a  ''TURF''  war  between coors and  miller  in  years




by the way....i don't  smoke  either
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #132 on: July 12, 2011, 02:20:47 AM »
can ya smoke miller or coors ?  ;D
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« Reply #133 on: July 12, 2011, 06:49:57 AM »
can ya smoke miller or coors ?  ;D


hit an  un-openned can with a 223  once.........it  smoked
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

many statements made here are fiction and are for entertainment purposes only and are in no way to be construed as a description of actual events.
no one is encouraged to do anything dangerous or break any laws.

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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #134 on: July 12, 2011, 08:19:36 AM »
Still, its true;;
     When someone buys that trash wich is smuggled into the US...they are paying to support these kind of activities.
 
  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&xhr=t&q=mexican+cartel+murders&cp=22&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1366&bih=502&wrapid=tljp1310491732883040&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi
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« Reply #135 on: July 12, 2011, 08:46:51 AM »
Still, its true;;
     When someone buys that trash wich is smuggled into the US...they are paying to support these kind of activities.
 
  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&xhr=t&q=mexican+cartel+murders&cp=22&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1366&bih=502&wrapid=tljp1310491732883040&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi




so  are you saying that a  LEGAL  market will put them out of work


i agree  illegally  buying  it  is  worse than buying  it legally
and  so far the  the current laws  AREN'T  working......obviously
insanity is defined  as ''doing the same thing and expecting different results''
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

many statements made here are fiction and are for entertainment purposes only and are in no way to be construed as a description of actual events.
no one is encouraged to do anything dangerous or break any laws.

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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #136 on: July 12, 2011, 08:51:22 AM »
can ya smoke miller or coors ?  ;D


hit an  un-openned can with a 223  once.........it  smoked

Hope it was old !
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« Reply #137 on: July 12, 2011, 08:54:21 AM »
We know the industry of pot enforcement is hard to over turn but we have a great chance to retrain the entire industry to border patrol . the courts and jails will stay full and everyone can keep a job except the illegals.
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #138 on: July 12, 2011, 12:18:57 PM »
Still, its true;;
     When someone buys that trash wich is smuggled into the US...they are paying to support these kind of activities.
 
  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&xhr=t&q=mexican+cartel+murders&cp=22&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1366&bih=502&wrapid=tljp1310491732883040&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi




so  are you saying that a  LEGAL  market will put them out of work


i agree  illegally  buying  it  is  worse than buying  it legally
and  so far the  the current laws  AREN'T  working......obviously
insanity is defined  as ''doing the same thing and expecting different results''
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  No; actually I can't see where it is so important to have an illegal weed, especially when a buyer is actually purchasing such mayhem.  I don't have any desire to purchase cyanide to put in my eyes or purchase strychnine to bathe my tonsils, so if it will save lives..I don't mind if cyanide and strychnine controlled. 
  I don't understand the demand for free flow of most any controlled substance..usually they are "controlled" for a reason and since these in particular are totally unnecessary to life...can't see why any rational, non-addicted person would fight it !
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #139 on: July 12, 2011, 01:33:20 PM »
I can't see where it is so important to have an illegal weed...  I don't have any desire to purchase cyanide to put in my eyes or purchase strychnine to bathe my tonsils...   I don't understand the demand for free flow of most any controlled substance..

The reason you can't see is because you're too busy stringing together non sequitors instead of thinking it through.

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usually they are "controlled" for a reason and since these in particular are totally unnecessary to life...can't see why any rational, non-addicted person would fight it !

I'm tempted to start on a  list of things totally unnecessary to life that many of us here want and that the state might like to deprive us of - or some of our neighbors might like to deprive of us? - but that only works on the open-minded, so I won't. Someone else can come up with that list.
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #140 on: July 12, 2011, 01:37:32 PM »
  I would of course, prefer that users "man up" and quit the habit, if fore no other reason than to prevent all the terrible atrocities and death !
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« Reply #141 on: July 12, 2011, 01:45:08 PM »
  I would of course, prefer that users "man up" and quit the habit, if fore no other reason than to prevent all the terrible atrocities and death !
Some say the presence of firearms causes terrible atrocities and death, and their arguments sound kind of like yours. They think that if we get rid of them, society will be better off. Most of them have no ability to think beyond their own entrenched position.

Sound familiar?
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« Reply #142 on: July 12, 2011, 01:54:07 PM »
I haven't heard anyone say it's ok for their kids.  I certainly don't want my daughter to have free access to it and when we adopted her, I removed the booze from the house.
folks, do you really want to remove the stigma from drugs?  I know this statement will make me some enemies, but I'm like my grandma,  I question the parenting skills of anyone who would allow drugs to circulate freely around their kids.
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #143 on: July 12, 2011, 01:55:03 PM »
  I would of course, prefer that users "man up" and quit the habit, if fore no other reason than to prevent all the terrible atrocities and death !

You gonna throw away all your firearms?
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   Are the scenes below a "reasonable price" to pay for pot ?  ..And these are just a couple of thousands..
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« Reply #144 on: July 12, 2011, 02:00:56 PM »
Are the scenes below a "reasonable price" to pay for pot ?  ..And these are just a couple of thousands..

The more relevant question would be, are those scenes a reasonable price to pay for prohibition??? We asked ourselves that question through the late 1920s, thought it through, and after 13 years of prohibition repealed the War on Alcohol in 1933.

The War on (some) Drugs has been going since... when, sixties? Why have we been at it for fifty years instead of a little over ten?
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« Reply #145 on: July 12, 2011, 02:20:51 PM »
  I would of course, prefer that users "man up" and quit the habit, if fore no other reason than to prevent all the terrible atrocities and death !

You gonna throw away all your firearms?
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  Nothing to do with firearms.. 
   Are the scenes below a "reasonable price" to pay for pot ?  ..And these are just a couple of thousands..

 
Ironglow you are confusing me here. The pictures you posted seem to make the case for legalizing pot. If it was legal these atrocities would not happen. It looks like the price for pot being illegal. It does not help that the ATF gave 30,000 firearms to the drug dealers, or that Wachovia was laundering their money for them.
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #146 on: July 12, 2011, 02:30:39 PM »



Yep, we have pretty much been doing the same thing for fifty years. Getting the same results...  Insanity?


 Wouldn't want to try a new approach cause we sure as heck couldn't outlaw them again if things stayed the same or got worse could we. No let's double down on a losing proposition. Let us throw the addicts in jail for eighty years and beat them with canes once a week that ought to get their attention.


I know, we will make dope so expensive no one can afford it. Oh we tried that? and it just made it so profitable that the cartels could  afford to build SUBMARINES to make the delivery, SUBMARINES for cripes sake.  The stuff is so valuable that human life means NOTHING to them.


Your efforts would be best spent impressing upon your loved ones that drug use will kill them. Might mention something about personel responsability. Play stupid games win stupid prizes, stupid people die in stupid ways. Darwin and his ideas, you all get the picture here don't you. Are your friends, relatives etceterra not worth the effort? Having done your best, they insist on suicide mental, physical or financial, so be it.


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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #147 on: July 12, 2011, 05:24:53 PM »
  I would of course, prefer that users "man up" and quit the habit, if fore no other reason than to prevent all the terrible atrocities and death !


i think  we are ALL  in  absolute agreement with  you there, ironglow
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but  like yeller said........................
Some say the presence of firearms causes terrible atrocities and death, and their arguments sound kind of like yours. They think that if we get rid of them, society will be better off. Most of them have no ability to think beyond their own entrenched position.

Sound familiar?


and  like  i have  said....FREEDOM  ISN'T FREE
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

many statements made here are fiction and are for entertainment purposes only and are in no way to be construed as a description of actual events.
no one is encouraged to do anything dangerous or break any laws.

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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #148 on: July 13, 2011, 05:32:52 AM »
People vote thru. disobeadince as much as they do in the voting booth . After 50 years they still are using illegal . That's alot of votes !
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« Reply #149 on: July 13, 2011, 07:34:08 AM »
People vote thru. disobeadince as much as they do in the voting booth . After 50 years they still are using illegal . That's alot of votes !
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  ...But you're assuming these long term users still have their wits about them... ;) :D ;D
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)