Thoughts on legalizing marijuana

[SHOOTALL]

No I don't . What I do see is people who have been using the pot since high school and who are retireing now after holding a job , raising kids and paying taxes for 40 years. They are not following the law , they have hurt no one . They have paid taxes etc. Why are we trying to waste money chasing them ?

[45-70.gov]

People vote thru. disobeadince as much as they do in the voting booth . After 50 years they still are using illegal . That's alot of votes !

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  ...But you're assuming these long term users still have their wits about them...

there  wits  are a mute  point
not  my job to save them


who was the famous guy said
''i may not agree with what you say  but i will defend your right to say  it""


we...none  of us  here...agree with what they  do
anse  SOME  of us will defend freedom  and others  WON'T

[SHOOTALL]

 If there was a cost effective way to keep illegal drugs out of the country it would be great but it is not so do we keep pizzing away money ?

[45-70.gov]

  I would of course, prefer that users "man up" and quit the habit, if fore no other reason than to prevent all the terrible atrocities and death !

You gonna throw away all your firearms?

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  Nothing to do with firearms.. 
   Are the scenes below a "reasonable price" to pay for pot ?  ..And these are just a couple of thousands..

I THINK WE SHOULD OUTLAW  KNIVES


then  no one will  ever get stabbed


if it saves JUST  ONE LIFE  it will be worth  it


at  least  schools  and cafeterias  should be  knife free  zones

[SHOOTALL]

I think we should idoit free zones 

[45-70.gov]

I think we should idoit free zones 

never  happen...too many of them

[BUGEYE]

Zurich tried to set up drug zones with low cost dope and no arrest but it failed.  the dopers didn't go to work or do everyday stuff.  they just layed around and bought their low cost legal drugs and when their money ran out, they started breaking in to houses in the neighborhood.  didn't work and never will.

[Empty Quiver]

Zurich tried to set up drug zones with low cost dope and no arrest but it failed.  the dopers didn't go to work or do everyday stuff.  they just layed around and bought their low cost legal drugs and when their money ran out, they started breaking in to houses in the neighborhood.  didn't work and never will.

Since we keep the price of dope artficially high we have no drug problem. Could be Zurich got by with simple burgleries and missed out on the murders and narco terrorism. Shame, as that is what makes all those DEA teams worth while.


If there were an easy answer the politicrats would have found it by now. Drugs bad, Church good, some folks don't understand the difference, or care.

[BUGEYE]

my answer to the whole problem would be to not bother the USERS,  but put any dealer in prison for life with no parole.  it would hurt their recruitment.

[Empty Quiver]

Ah, and don't forget the canings.

[BUGEYE]

Ah, and don't forget the canings.

since their chosen career can ruin lives and cause actual deaths, I would go along with canings.

[yellowtail3]

Ah, and don't forget the canings.

since their chosen career can ruin lives and cause actual deaths, I would go along with canings.

I think that where MJ is concerned... most of the ruining lives and causing actual deaths, comes from 1) prohibition, and 2) Law enforcement.
 
Dump the prohibition, and the 'ruined lives and death' will greatly diminish. I can't say them's the facts because they're future tense, but it is a very safe bet.
 
It could only be better than the War on (some) Drugs.

[SHOOTALL]

so we cut the cost of enforcement and tax the product. so cash would be comming in not going out . Never work with our govt.

[45-70.gov]

so we cut the cost of enforcement and tax the product. so cash would be comming in not going out . Never work with our govt.

what does work with our government


we do have nice roads.....i have no problems with the post office

[SHOOTALL]

your roads must be better than found in Va. . Post office in general ok but they have problems .
As for what works who knows what they have been doing has not or we would not be in debt now would we ?
 If the govt had to work with what it takes in bet there would be less on the dole in this country and other places !

[gunner69]

It will never happen,  although it should.    The cards are stacked against legal marijuana use, be it medical or otherwise.   WAY to many individuals are jailed for it's use,  they should be out working.  WAY too many people in law inforcement are out jacking people up, when they could be used taking care of crime.   Taxing it would provide the State and Federal Government with a pot of Gold (A two edged sword).  The various Religions would be up in arms......... they might loose some donation $$$$$$.   The Doctors and Research Pill Pushers could loose out as "grass" does have it's applications and it is NOT something they can patten.  A school mate of mine retired from the prision system he said  "Prisoners smokin' Pot are easy to control,  those prisoners using other smuggled drugs fight, and sometimes kill each other.

[ChungDoQuan]

Legalize it! Man made most drugs sold today. God made marajuana. 

[williamlayton]

Well now,this has run the whole circle.
Most of the arguments against are found in the arguments that started prohibition.
My contention is that if a person is going to ruin his life he will find a way.
I am an old pot smoker who had positive results from the time. I say positive, because I was never arrested or had a wreck or caused harm to any one.
That, unfortunately, is not true of all. Some will wreck their lives with it--whether it is by accident or stupidity---My Lord, that sounds like life.
Folks we get in a lot of trouble by demanding that others be controlled against things that MAY happen---let's look at the amount of money we demand be supplied to groups that cannot follow up on your desires.
Folks who want to do stupid things will do them.
I can get a bag of dope today--TODAY--I am pretty sure, if I wanted to. Now, how are you gonna stop me if I want to ?
I, most probably, thinking and being honest, would enjoy a pipe toke every once in awhile. I know I enjoyed the fat man I had in Amsterdam and the whole experience of being able to sit in a comfortable chair with a coke and smoke a joint and have conversation.
I guess to most here, I am a dope fiend and need to find Jesus. Well, just as smoking dope, you having your own conclusions, I cannot control what you do or what you think---Personally, I don't want to waste the time or energy.
Be sociable and be responsible is what I want---I aint holding my breath.
Blessings 

[yellowtail3]

more pluses than minuses to legalization... the really big minuses will be loss of mission/dollars/purpose for large groups of people employed in the War on (some) Drugs. They won't go for it, will fight it hard. It's their rice bowl, they WILL NOT give it up without a fight.

[FPH]

I'm near 60.  Never have smoked a joint in my life.  I live on the TX-Mex. border.  Enforcement is a hugh cost and is a joke.  Tax and regulate it.  People see it as equal to alcohol. Hard to argue against that.

[finisher]

1st off I deal with way to many drunk drivers now and I have not met a true pothead yet that believes it impairs their fine motor skills or judgment. 2ND off even if the taxed the S#@% out of it the dang politicians would line their pockets with the taxes and give it to their buddies. Not to mention God forbid its legal and some pothead is in charge of a nuclear missile or even worse troops and he gets the dang munchies and accidentally launches or looses tract of what the heck he is doing and gets a whole unit killed. Out of all the true pot heads I have dealt with over the years all of them together couldn't make a good complete thought. I don't see any good coming from it just more corrupt politicians and more dope house to watch. But that is from a beat cop who is tired of the B.S. and tired of the Government not standing up for US ahhh "We the people for the people" God forbid politicians put citizens before their sorry a@#$ selves and fix this GREAT country that allows us to have such great forums and liberties! God bless and help us all.

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We haven't met but I can sure say that I know when I'm impaired from any drug, legal or not (seems like part of the fun and I don't know why anyone would want to spoil it by trying to operate a vehicle or leaving the safety of their home in such a state). Good thing there are already laws in place regarding that.


The CO on my very first command was a pill popper and an alcoholic; had just been out of a recovery program (nice way of saying a LOONY BIN) for a nervous breakdown (melt down is more like it) and he had the authority under presidential order to discharge nuclear weapons.


As a very young swab, I used to dread delivering "12 o'clocks" to the captains cabin because I could hear him from the weather decks yelling at the XO or other officers and throwing stuff against the bulkheads in regular fits of rage. Don't know what the Admiralty was thinking when the put that nut case back out in the fleet.


But hey, he was ALL legal right? 

[finisher]

Legalize it! Man made most drugs sold today. God made marajuana. 

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Careful Quan, You don't want to open up the religious trap door on yourself. Wouldn't be surprised one bit if some one on this  this forum were to go as far as saying the devil was a botanist.   

[finisher]

It will never happen,  although it should.    The cards are stacked against legal marijuana use, be it medical or otherwise.   WAY to many individuals are jailed for it's use,  they should be out working.  WAY too many people in law inforcement are out jacking people up, when they could be used taking care of crime.   Taxing it would provide the State and Federal Government with a pot of Gold (A two edged sword).  The various Religions would be up in arms......... they might loose some donation $$$$$$.   The Doctors and Research Pill Pushers could loose out as "grass" does have it's applications and it is NOT something they can patten.  A school mate of mine retired from the prision system he said  "Prisoners smokin' Pot are easy to control,  those prisoners using other smuggled drugs fight, and sometimes kill each other.

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Solving crimes requires a certain amount of logic, deductive reasoning, and INTELLIGENCE of which the overwhelming majority of badge wearing goons do not poses. They are hired for their muscle and ease of programming. Kind of like a well trained pit bull.

[finisher]

Still, its true;;
     When someone buys that trash wich is smuggled into the US...they are paying to support these kind of activities.
 
  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&xhr=t&q=mexican+cartel+murders&cp=22&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1366&bih=502&wrapid=tljp1310491732883040&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi

so  are you saying that a  LEGAL  market will put them out of work


i agree  illegally  buying  it  is  worse than buying  it legally
and  so far the  the current laws  AREN'T  working......obviously
insanity is defined  as ''doing the same thing and expecting different results''

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  No; actually I can't see where it is so important to have an illegal weed, especially when a buyer is actually purchasing such mayhem.  I don't have any desire to purchase cyanide to put in my eyes or purchase strychnine to bathe my tonsils, so if it will save lives..I don't mind if cyanide and strychnine controlled. 
  I don't understand the demand for free flow of most any controlled substance..usually they are "controlled" for a reason and since these in particular are totally unnecessary to life...can't see why any rational, non-addicted person would fight it !
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The key word here for you to ponder Ironglow, is CONTROL

That's a very interesting word. One can go many directions on to a wide, wide variety of perspectives. But being able to "SEE" is a personal choice for many.

[finisher]

Yes, something has to get better, because as it is, with the cost of (murdered) human lives that it takes to get the weed to consumers as things are, the stuff has to start tasting like blood pretty soon. If you smoke weed, you don't care a cop has probably been killed in its delivery. My2 cents.

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I don't smoke weed, and rarely drink. And like 'ol Super Chicken said, "you knew the job was dangerous when you took it Fred"
BOO HOO  .


I didn't cry about nearly getting my ass shot off for a war in which I think is a rich mans scam. I signed the contract, I took the oath. And I didn't bitch about it one bit until my status read"Completed terms of obligated service contract under HONORABLE conditions".


I made that choice and I would rather have someone who is sensible and can see the broader picture, and war for what it is out there trying to bring an end to the hostilities rather than cryin' about my self righteous sacrifice for "the great cause". F.A.T!!!


If 'ol badge wearing  "HERO BOY" wants to get his tail shot off for a law in which he's too stupid or ignorant to be able to reason out the long term and broader flaws, then that is his choice. What do you want for him, a medal?

[Anna]

mikey, as you say, it's no worse that alcohol. on the other hand, it's just as bad as alcohol.
legal pot would turn loose a bunch more drunk drivers on our roads.

Oh alcohol in excess is much worse, I see this all the time. Have you ever seen a person coming off
alcohol as associated with an alcohol withdrawal symptom? That can and will kill you if it isn't properly treated, pot just makes them very stupid. Alcohol as with a case of the DTs can cause nerve damage,
muscular atrophy,brain and liver damage,insanity,and can render its victims into a vegetive state.
The victims body can go into tremors that are so powerful. I've seen them rip a sink right out of the
wall pipes and all. Shake a bed so violently that they break the mattress springs right before they die.

To me, and I don't condone any substance abuse at all. Pot ranks as the lowest substance on that list
right behind cigarettes. Yes I said cigarettes, nicotine poisoning is also not a real pretty thing to watch.
That can cause permanent paralysis and death. And my problem with that is that it can come on so
suddenly there is nothing that can be done to stop it. So if your going to do something my official
position is that pot ain't s**t compared to some of the things that are legal to consume.

I never buried a pot addict because of the drug itself. But many times because they were under the influence or because of associated abuse of other substances. We have first and foremost villinised
a substance both in the work place and even when we buy a gun. That's at the very bottom of the
list as far as societal damage in the long term. Below so many other things that we not only allow.
But glamorize on a daily basis.
 

[45-70.gov]

this thread  has been raised from the dead


the votes  in colorado and washington  has renewed a discusion  of freedom again

[ironglow]

Legalize it! Man made most drugs sold today. God made marajuana. 
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  God also made arsenic & strychnine, and I understand He also created a mushroom which doesn't quite kill you..but long term effects are not determined.
        God also made the human brain, which should tell us not to consume the many various natural but harmful substances.
  ...But if you want some , help yourself...

[FPH]

If alcohol, asprine and cigarettes came out today they would either be illegal or controlled substances.

[Anna]

I think if your stoned at the work place you should be fired, just like as if you were drunk.
But I've seen a smoke break before where in 15 minutes smokers downed so many cigarettes upon returning to work they were just as big a hazard as someone who is stoned.
We have even had them develop a stroke because of this and die. Nicotine is a drug, and in large quantities it is poisonous. Bad mouth it all you want, out of any other substance pot does seem to have a limiting factor built into it. In other words I've never seen a stoner die of an overdose of weed.

I've had them die from choking on a ham sandwich before after raiding the refrigerator. Or burn their house down by crashing and leaving a joint burning where it shouldn't be. Or there was something
else in the pot besides the pot itself. And believe it or not, but one of the more common causes of death among this group is death by hot tub. They get all stoned in a hot tub, relax and crash out.
Then they either drown or cook themselves like a boiled chicken.

So it seems that if they are not in a public place or driving, they are more at risk to themselves than
to anyone else. But my own negative personal view of any substance abuse including weed, should not be used as a factor when determining the legalization of Marihuana. The statistics do speak for themselves.