Thoughts on legalizing marijuana

[briarpatch]

It would be hard to tax. Everyone would just grow their own. If they threw a law into the books that would forbid it, you would be back to square one with the jack booted thugs snooping around your property and drones flying over looking for grandma's flower pot. 
Whether anyone would like to see it legal or not would make no difference today. If the vote came up, my guess would be that all states would pass it. I doubt congress would legalise it because most of them along with the elite, make their money off the drug war and illegal drugs.
I dont smoke it or condone it but I also realize a gnat cant stop a train.

[Savage .250]

    My thoughts are..........If it`s needed for Medical reasons,have at it.   Other wise, Pot heads should be made to smoke their weed of choice with out twink-ies as back up. 
   

[45-70.gov]

we are not disgussing child abuse  which  is what that is....even tobacco


we had a local  judge  that wieght  very heavey 
if one parrent was a tobacco user in a custiody battle

[BUGEYE]

we are not disgussing child abuse  which  is what that is....even tobacco


we had a local  judge  that wieght  very heavey 
if one parrent was a tobacco user in a custiody battle

I consider children when I make any decision, because they are at the mercy of adults.
I would be very selfish if I put my recreation ahead of the welfare of my child.

[45-70.gov]

we are not disgussing child abuse  which  is what that is....even tobacco


we had a local  judge  that wieght  very heavey 
if one parrent was a tobacco user in a custiody battle

I consider children when I make any decision, because they are at the mercy of adults.
I would be very selfish if I put my recreation ahead of the welfare of my child.

i  don't make choices for other peoples children
i do want that child and mine to grow up free

[45-70.gov]

a little  off topic  but  still  germane   too
may this  might be a good topic for another thread


i understand  the state ''de-criminalized''   but  federal still stands
in  washington state....they actually  lisence the dealers


CAN A STATE LEGALLY LISENCE SOME ONE TO BREAK FEDERAL LAW??


and  should the governor  be charged?
more specifically should the white house [AKA OBUMER & HOLDER]
ARREST THE GOVERNOR??


the  law is the law  yet  holder won't enforce it
what effect would this action have  on the democrat base??




food for thought...i say legalize it  at all levels
force  obomer to do things  he won't want to do
cause apathy in their base of voters

[finisher]

I don't want to make this any kind of argument or anything but I think there would be a legal age and schools would probably start drug testing reguarly to keep they're parents at ease while they're children are at school. and maybe awareness of kids useing it would kick in a little more and people would be more strict against it but there is no way to be sure it's just a possibility like everyones opinion here.

Just a thought! Additional testing cost money, who is going to pay for that!
Also how many people will lose their jobs who take up smoking pot? Most companies have strict drug policies!
Yeay! Yeah! I know, they should be responsible for their actions!! Don`t bet on it!!

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I would rather see my tax dollars go to that than to some badge wearing goon making $31 per hour(plus benifits). Now that guy is a drain on society (not to mention taxes) while he's sitting in courthouses, talking on his cell phone while on patrol, and shootin the crap with the rest of the watch while waiting around at the seen of a crime.

That's their problem. Some companies actually enforce a watered down drug policy because they can't retain employees due to drug issues. They don't actually test until an error of some type costs them money. As far as safety is concerned, they just have the employees watch dog each other. Scary, but that is the reality of it. Like a couple others including myself have said before.

You'de be surprised who is and isn't a pot head. They build the freeways bridges and highways upon which we drive. They build the skyscrapers and houses in which we work and live. Some of them even wear badges and carry guns. They deliver your Christmas packages. And wait on you in restaurants. Some of them repair your vehicles. some of them repair your computers, and even work as electrical engineers for companies like Rockwell International

If you don't realize just how much of it IS (AND HAS BEEN for quite some time) out there, I can only say that you need to get out and observe more because you (like it or not) are very out of touch.

[yellowtail3]

You'de be surprised who is and isn't a pot head. They build the freeways bridges and highways upon which we drive. They...

I remember one in particular, about 30 years ago, who was PPC on P-3C out of NAS Jax. Good guy, good stick.

[streak]

I don't want to make this any kind of argument or anything but I think there would be a legal age and schools would probably start drug testing reguarly to keep they're parents at ease while they're children are at school. and maybe awareness of kids useing it would kick in a little more and people would be more strict against it but there is no way to be sure it's just a possibility like everyones opinion here.

Just a thought! Additional testing cost money, who is going to pay for that!
Also how many people will lose their jobs who take up smoking pot? Most companies have strict drug policies!
Yeay! Yeah! I know, they should be responsible for their actions!! Don`t bet on it!!

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I would rather see my tax dollars go to that than to some badge wearing goon making $31 per hour(plus benifits). Now that guy is a drain on society (not to mention taxes) while he's sitting in courthouses, talking on his cell phone while on patrol, and shootin the crap with the rest of the watch while waiting around at the seen of a crime.

That's their problem. Some companies actually enforce a watered down drug policy because they can't retain employees due to drug issues. They don't actually test until an error of some type costs them money. As far as safety is concerned, they just have the employees watch dog each other. Scary, but that is the reality of it. Like a couple others including myself have said before.

You'de be surprised who is and isn't a pot head. They build the freeways bridges and highways upon which we drive. They build the skyscrapers and houses in which we work and live. Some of them even wear badges and carry guns. They deliver your Christmas packages. And wait on you in restaurants. Some of them repair your vehicles. some of them repair your computers, and even work as electrical engineers for companies like Rockwell International

If you don't realize just how much of it IS (AND HAS BEEN for quite some time) out there, I can only say that you need to get out and observe more because you (like it or not) are very out of touch.

Hey finisher!
 I am hardly out of touch!!
 
I am well aware of what is going on in this screwed up world!
 I think if you would peruse the post and take a little care in comprehending exactly what it states, you might see that I did not mention in anyway that I was not aware of the wide spread existence of people using drugs either on the job or off the job.
 
There are a lot of corporations that have random testing and if you are tested positive, you are terminated.
That was the point of my statement ! Therefore with the drugs being made legal, a lot more people will be tempted to try them leading to more being tested and caught! 
 
 
 
 
 

[facetious]

The thing is will the fed respect states rights and the will of the people or will thy stomp them in to the mud like some third world dictator.

If you want to have a little fun find the closest bar to your police station and stop in an hour or so before closing and have a beer.  Now watch and see how many in there are are  carrying a gun. Watch when thy leave and see how many call a cab to get home and how many get in there car and drive off. Take some video with your phone and put it on you-tube

Were did the phrase "sober as a judge" come from when talking about some one who has had a little to much to drink come from?

In Denver there sheriff Sullivan gets put in the jail thy named after him for trading meth for sex with gay men.    Were did he get the meth?

In Colorado Springs a God for profit preacher who is hooked on meth gets outed by his male hooker .

Sen. Kennedy was said to have a bit of a drinking problem

Oboma has a beer making op in the White House.

 And this is the kind of people that get to judge if you are morel enough , and are responsible enough to use pot?

This is fun! How many more hypocrites  can you think of who get in to a position of power and then stand in judgment of you and your morality ?

[Victor3]

It would be hard to tax. Everyone would just grow their own.

 Would they though? I'm thinking that a lot of folks would be willing to pay a reasonable tax just for the convenience of having it ready-made for them. I grow my own tomatoes but after all's said and done they probably cost me twice as much as if I bought them at the store.

[SHOOTALL]

how many grow tobacco ? if alotments are divided out for pot and checked in the same way tobacco is then why would folks grow it ? Remember today there are alot of folks that won't work to feed themselves .

[Empty Quiver]

The thing is will the fed respect states rights and the will of the people or will thy stomp them in to the mud like some third world dictator.

If you want to have a little fun find the closest bar to your police station and stop in an hour or so before closing and have a beer.  Now watch and see how many in there are are  carrying a gun. Watch when thy leave and see how many call a cab to get home and how many get in there car and drive off. Take some video with your phone and put it on you-tube

Were did the phrase "sober as a judge" come from when talking about some one who has had a little to much to drink come from?

In Denver there sheriff Sullivan gets put in the jail thy named after him for trading meth for sex with gay men.    Were did he get the meth?

In Colorado Springs a God for profit preacher who is hooked on meth gets outed by his male hooker .

Sen. Kennedy was said to have a bit of a drinking problem

Oboma has a beer making op in the White House.

 And this is the kind of people that get to judge if you are morel enough , and are responsible enough to use pot?

This is fun! How many more hypocrites  can you think of who get in to a position of power and then stand in judgment of you and your morality ?

Yet even as drug users they are no more corrupt than the non drug users. With just a bit of looking around you will find a Gods plenty of highly respected people brought down by sexual scandel... someone recently comes to mind, help me here, it is barely mentioned in the papers. Sex, drugs, rock and roll, they all get lumped together as equally corrupt. Shall we outlaw all three?
 
I have a very low opinion of those who would buy and drive a Dodge truck. I can find many who would agree that those who do have brought financial ruin upon themselves, have killed loved ones and strangers alike while driving one. For the sake of all mankind should we not stop the manufacture and sale of dodge trucks? Lord man think of the children. What about sodium, high fructose corn syrup, palm oil, BHA, BHT, Sweet & Low, coffee, butter, food dyes, spray paint, gasoline ?
 
Stopping the manufacture, distribution, sale or use of illicit drugs is a fools errand.

[finisher]

 
Hey finisher!
 I am hardly out of touch!!
 
I am well aware of what is going on in this screwed up world!
 I think if you would peruse the post and take a little care in comprehending exactly what it states, you might see that I did not mention in anyway that I was not aware of the wide spread existence of people using drugs either on the job or off the job.
 
There are a lot of corporations that have random testing and if you are tested positive, you are terminated.
That was the point of my statement ! Therefore with the drugs being made legal, a lot more people will be tempted to try them leading to more being tested and caught!

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Sorry Streak, I didn't mean that as a direct attack at you (shouldn't have used the word "you"). It is just that there are a great many people that really are out of touch and who would infringe upon free choice.


I agree, that we'll see more people getting popped, what I'm suggesting (and what has already happened with some companies) is that there will come a point when more companies will have to start looking the other way from the top inside level simply because their pool of candidates will begin to shrink. Kind of like the "lesser of two evils" thing.


I don't know how it was in the other branches, but I was told by a Master at Arms(Navy cop) buddy of mine how it all worked with the urinalysis. According to him the command is not about to shell out the money to test every last sample. They'll tell everyone that they do of course, but it ain't so.
They only test one in every twelve. Why this number I asked. Well the boxes in which the samples are shipped are sealed and numbered in LOTS OF TWELVE. So the lab simply pulls one from each box. BUT, if that one tests positive, then the lab is instructed to test the the remaining eleven.
Why? Because command knows that knuckle heads that party together break the rules together and will most likely come in as a group to give their samples. And that is usually why you'll see a hand full of guys from the same department getting busted together.
Now he knew and I knew who most of the pot heads were on the ship and yet they never got busted [size=78%]([/size]for some reason though, the speed and coke heads always did) and it was because they also knew how it worked. So they would always go and "donate"   when all the ships officers went. Funny thing is that many of these guys were hard chargin' sailors, loved and respected; including up to a Senior Chief (E-8) in rank


But one time, a young officer got popped and some of those old time pot heads got caught in the net. Funny thing is the officer wasn't discharged as is the case with enlisted men. He was sent to a rehab program, demoted and transferred to another command.


Time will tell.

[SHOOTALL]

In the real world if you get poped as it was put you are more often than not allowed to quit. After 30+ days reapply and if you test neg for drugs go back to work. WHY ? because if the company dosen't offer medical help read rehab. they may have to pay more unemployment tax and maybe lose a court case . All by passed if the guy quits on his own accord. He has no record of drug abuse alot of times he quits before the test .

[streak]

finisher,
 Thanks for your service!
The post you entered about the Navy drug testing was interesting! My daddy, middle brother, and my youngest son were all in the Navy. Boy did they have some stories!
Here in Colorado they have legalized marijuana and as you stated in your post "Time will tell"!!

[facetious]

When I was 22 I applied for a job at a newspaper as a pressman. After jumping through all the hoops I got a interview. Before it was time to go in I thought it would be good to use the restroom first. When in there a guy comes in to drain the tank so to say, we get to talking and he is joking about how fast lunch went through and how you don't buy beer you just rent it.
Well when my time came for my interview I get called in and who do you think is sitting at the desk to interview me . I started the next week. The name on my pay check  has changed three times but 33 years later I am still turning dead trees in to garbage  .

[45-70.gov]

we are not disgussing child abuse  which  is what that is....even tobacco


we had a local  judge  that wieght  very heavey 
if one parrent was a tobacco user in a custiody battle

I consider children when I make any decision, because they are at the mercy of adults.
I would be very selfish if I put my recreation ahead of the welfare of my child.

do / did you allow any one to smoke a cigarette in you childrens presence??
my  kids mother was  not allowed to smoke near our  kids
yes  i am very  protective of  children
smoke  all you want..crack even.....just stay  away from  my kids with it

[williamlayton]

Folks have made wine, beer and whiskey at home forever. folks have grown their own dope over the same period of time.
What if, in the state of Texas, evry worker were subject to test every Monday Moring and sent home if there were traces of booze in their blood---well now---are they under the influence?
You folks need to think and not react according to folk legends.
Blessings

[cabledad]

I heard that a person stops maturing at the age they start marijuana,I sure don't know anything about it but I know lots of guys that seem to be immature there whole life that were hung up on mj.  Never used it but what I saw in europe I don't know if I could go with legallization. Seems like people will take anything they can get there hands on.

[BUGEYE]

45-70.gov, I never allowed anyone to smoke around my daughter, and if a visitor smelled strongly of smoke, they weren't invited back.

during the course of fighting the war on drugs, many cases of human trafficking are found.
most of those are young girls to force into prostitution, and many for slavery.

each of us has our opinions, and mine is, keep fighting...  YMMV

[45-70.gov]

we are on the same page  in many ways then....good for you

[nw_hunter]

I have a very low opinion of those who would buy and drive a Dodge truck. I can find many who would agree that those who do have brought financial ruin upon themselves, have killed loved ones and strangers alike while driving one. For the sake of all mankind should we not stop the manufacture and sale of dodge trucks?


Got a good chuckle out of that one.I was driving back east from Oregon to Okla. with a friend who suggested we take his late model Dodge truck. Somewhere in Colorado I think, we pulled over at a small quick mart in the middle of nowhere to fix a brake light problem.While we were working on it under the hood, two deputies pulled in and one asked if we were having trouble. The other one said...........Of course they are! Their driving a Dodge aren't they? I almost busted a gut, and my friend didn't think it was a bit funny. I still rag him about it from time to time. Seriously! I think it should be decriminalized.
That said....I take a pain medication daily, and prob. will the rest of my life. It contains Codeine.The Dr I go to, said some of his patients use MJ and have better results for pain with it. Medical MJ is legal here in Oregon, but there is no way I could suck that stuff into my lungs. Quit smoking about 22 years ago.I wouldn't do the Brownie thing either So what other options are there for using it as medication?

[ChungDoQuan]

Friends don't let friends drive Dodge. 

If pot were legalized at the federal level, we could get rid of 90% of the DEA.

[williamlayton]

I am not sure that any Fed Agency has gone away but one thing fer sure--their case loads would be way more managable.
Someone here posted a quip about maturing and MJ. I guess since I am 72 and drive a Mustang Convertable then I now have the perfect excuse---I stopped maturing.
HUMMMM---I am happy with that thought, It adds some amount of matureity to me and the way I look at myownself. I am pretty happy being an immature 70 something.
This of course is all hogwash--includeing the statement.
Folks you have been told what to fear---is it that you are immature because you can't look and reason for yourownself without someone telling you what you must believe.
For goodness gracious sakes--take some oxygen into the brain cell---it will help you mature.
That is/are a word from an old dope smoker-----well, er---old UNREPENTANT doper. 
Blessings 

[ChungDoQuan]

Hunter, look into a thing called a "vaporizer." It heats the weed until the THC vaporizes out without making smoke.

[Victor3]

So what other options are there for using it as medication?

 I imagine one could stuff some into a gel cap(?)


 I saw a device on a news program about medical MJ that heats the stuff with an electric element to the point where the active ingredient is released into a chamber without burning it. Thataway folks could inhale it with no smoke.

[yellowtail3]

 I saw a device on a news program about medical MJ that heats the stuff with an electric element to the point where the active ingredient is released into a chamber without burning it. Thataway folks could inhale it with no smoke.

Vaporizer... use coffee grinder the make it finer, then into the end, warm it up, and... vapor, not smoke. Works great!


medicinal purposes only, of course... 


NW.... edibles is best way to go. More trouble, but tasty. Brownie one of many, many delectable choices....

[facetious]

"Folks you have been told what to fear---is it that you are immature because you can't look and reason for your own self without someone telling you what you must believe."

In the news biz. there is a saying " If it bleeds it leads "  There is money to be made selling fear. Thy tell you that a thousand people die each year from this or that, it looks good in the paper and sells advertising . What if thy ran a story that said that each year 100,000,000,000,000 didn't have any thing bad happen to them. Would you read it? It wouldn't be a vary long story.
 Weather on TV or in the paper you are bombarded with bad news, it makes you go out and buy stuff you don't need. How many have "food in a bucket " thy will never eat, thy buy guns and ammo to defend them selves from zombies. Are there people who really think that thy are real?
Thy will plan for things that will never happen but thy will not get a flu shot and every year thy get the flu. How many times has the world been going to end and it is still here? And every time some one gets rich selling all the stuff you will need when  the end comes. If this is the end how much stuff are you going to need?

How do you sell religion to some one if  you can't come up with something bad that will happen to them if thy don't do what you say, and thy will need money from you so thy can keep telling you how bad it is going to be if you don't keep sending more money.

Politicians don't get elected  by telling you how great every thing is , thy get elected telling you how bad it is now or will be if  thy don't get elected.

If you didn't have some one telling you all the stuff that you should have how much stuff would you have? Did you know  your TV was to small or that you car was to big or to small. Hell you could end up living your hole life wearing the wrong clothing.

My dad used to say that if something is such a good deal why are thy giving it to you and not some one thy like. The saying follow the money is a good one. Do thy care about you or how much thy can make off you.

Why is it that all the stuff some other person or group doesn"t like is bad for you but the stuff thy like is good for you. Then thy want to make your stuff illegal . Its for the kids you know, you wouldn't want them to be like you would you when thy could be like them.

If every one were to stop doing what what thy are told to do by every one who could make a profit off of them in some way I think the world would be a lot better place. This is not the same as paying some one for the things you want as opposed to being sold something thy want to sell.

[facetious]

I heard that a person stops maturing at the age they start marijuana.

You mean we could be young for ever