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Posting copyrighted material.
« on: September 24, 2010, 11:26:24 AM »
Folks, I am sorry I have to bring this up again, but I must reminded you.


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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2010, 12:03:01 PM »
I assume you are PMing those who you are having problems with.
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2010, 12:43:45 PM »
I assume you are PMing those who you are having problems with.

There have been some discussion off line...I will be PM'ing and deleting if necessary.

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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2010, 01:06:45 PM »
Ahhhh yes.  The famous question: what's the difference between plagerism and research?



The answer in one word: footnotes.

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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2010, 02:29:06 PM »
I assume you are PMing those who you are having problems with.

George,
I'm the culprit, but I wasn't purposely trying to be a problem; to the contrary, I honestly thought I was doing something that would be perceived as sharing.

RIP John. While on vacation July 4th 2013 in northern Wisconsin, he was ATVing with family and pulled ahead of everyone and took off at break-neck speed without a helmet. He lost control.....hit a tree....and the tree won.  He died instantly.

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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2010, 02:57:44 PM »
One never knows with general statements like these and I do not attribute every image I post.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2010, 04:41:08 PM »
Boom J,
Those pictures were amoung the finest work I have yet seen on this forum.  I wasn't finished looking at them.
I understand the rules but wish I could still look at those fine creations.
Maybe "Ed" will step forward.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2010, 04:43:00 PM »
I assume you are PMing those who you are having problems with.

George,
I'm the culprit, but I wasn't purposely trying to be a problem; to the contrary, I honestly thought I was doing something that would be perceived as sharing.



John did not  have to say anything, he certainly is not being singled out.  I will also assure you he is not the only one to have been PM'ed.   This is directed to all of us.  I can not say my house is clean. I am guilty of it in the past, and  just as unknowingly.

You don't have to attribute your own work.  Some one else work you must attribute.

When the Morko picture where posted on the other board, there was no ill intent.  Dan was not attributed.  We reported it to that forums administrator and the took care of it.  

If we complain about someone taking our work and posting it else where, then we better be sure we are not guilty of the same conduct.


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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2010, 11:15:04 PM »
where is the line between right and wrong here ??
I got thousands of pictures collected during the years from the internet in my computer that I have no idea where they com from . so they cant be used here now , only for my personal joy and research if I understand you correct here .

isnt it alloved to put in links here either to interesting pictures ??

2 good examples where I have violated this rules is all drawings from arkeliet and all pictures from the swedish army museum that I put up here .

would it be enough to put in a line telling: "this photos comes from name name and so on" ??

this is good out of a copyright wiew, but it will also restrain us a lot of using old saved pictures that we dont even remember where they came from .
the only pictures that Im really sure of publishing here from now would then be the pictures I have taken by myself , and then it wouldnt be many of them . so I guess this forum will be a lot more boring from now .

but thats the way it must be when following the rules and laws , and of course we should do that .
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2010, 03:30:25 AM »
where is the line between right and wrong here ??
I got thousands of pictures collected during the years from the internet in my computer that I have no idea where they com from . so they cant be used here now , only for my personal joy and research if I understand you correct here .

So do I Dan.  If you can't attribute or provide accrediation they cna't be posted here.

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isnt it alloved to put in links here either to interesting pictures ??

2 good examples where I have violated this rules is all drawings from arkeliet and all pictures from the swedish army museum that I put up here .

Dan you have always creditted the arkeliet stuff you have posted.  What you posted would be considered a quote. 

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would it be enough to put in a line telling: "this photos comes from name name and so on" ??

Yes that's right whose work is it and where did it come from.

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this is good out of a copyright wiew, but it will also restrain us a lot of using old saved pictures that we dont even remember where they came from .
the only pictures that Im really sure of publishing here from now would then be the pictures I have taken by myself , and then it wouldnt be many of them . so I guess this forum will be a lot more boring from now .

but thats the way it must be when following the rules and laws , and of course we should do that .

We all just need to take better notes when we save stuff that is all.  And give the owner credit for his work.


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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2010, 10:51:13 AM »
Simple...make the damn thing and post pics.   you could cut back on womanising Dan.........producing barrels would be much better for your health ..........wealth...........well ok I won't go too far.
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2010, 11:57:03 AM »
who ?? meeeeeeeee ?????

ooooohh nooooo

Im way too old to think about women
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2010, 12:19:44 PM »
who ?? meeeeeeeee ?????

ooooohh nooooo

Im way too old to think about women

You're not fooling me.  You're never to old to stop thinking about women.
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2010, 02:00:24 PM »
who ?? meeeeeeeee ?????

ooooohh nooooo

Im way too old to think about women

What does age have to do with it?   ;D

I think we're a LITTLE off topic. 

Hmmm.  Women.   On topic.   Hmmm.  AHhhhh yes,  Saint Barbara!

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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2010, 02:14:11 PM »
I'm old and I think about women, just can't remember why.

What I can remember about women is they have been responsible for reducing my cannon shooting activities.

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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2010, 03:45:41 PM »
If I were to use an image from Modern Guns and Mortars Adopted in the United States Land Service, Their Carriages, Projectiles, Fuzes and Sights which was published in 1895 by the Government Printing Office, I should not be violating anyone's copyright since it has expired.  Similarly, drawings made by old artists of old stuff, even though reproduced in a more modern publication, should be public domain. 

Now I am no copyright attorney so this isn't legal advice but we have to apply some common sense (I know, it is a legal issue but bear with me) here or we will lose the main feature of the internet, the ability to link to other sources of information so one can further research a subject if he cares to.  A link to the source should be a satisfactory way of attribution.

Since we are not usually displaying fine art here, a simple solution is to take an image editor and add a line in an inconspicuous part of the picture recording its source.  Here is an example:



This was done with a free image editor called Irfanview.  Also, the image can be clicked to go to the source site.  The most difficult thing to do is going to be making this a habit.
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2010, 05:45:46 PM »
George,

It doesn't to be that fancy. Like this.

From the Fields of Thunder Museum http://www.fieldsofthunder.com/content/mortars.html


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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2010, 05:53:52 PM »
The logic behind putting the source in the image is that the source ID stays with the image without any additional record keeping effort.
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2010, 06:13:09 PM »
The logic behind putting the source in the image is that the source ID stays with the image without any additional record keeping effort.

Watermarking...my Photo host has provisions for doing that.

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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2010, 12:04:28 PM »
just said I was too old to   T H I N K   about them
nothing else  ::)

all my cannons are female , so Im on topic   ;D
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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2010, 03:01:15 PM »



BRAVO !!!!
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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2010, 07:41:24 PM »
 ;D  they can be used in a lot of other ways
of course its still my cannons Im talking about  :-[
I have been living as a single for too long time to know anything else  :(
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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2010, 03:33:43 AM »
;D  they can be used in a lot of other ways
of course its still my cannons Im talking about  :-[
I have been living as a single for too long time to know anything else  :(

Way too much information Dan!  We don't want to know what other uses for your cannons. :D
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2010, 08:54:07 AM »
I miss "thelionspaw"; his irreverant sense of humor could usually be depended upon to put things in there proper perspective, or failing that, at least it would serve to put a smile back on my face.

Hey Dan, I'll bet you didn't know that I posted the "Arkeliet" site here before you were a member. Now I'm not bragging mind you, but it was mentioned on this thread, and I became curious to see if I provided the source when I originally posted the site address. Well I went a searchin', and I'll be danged if I'm not in all probability guilty of certain criminal activities going back for some time now. I sure hope that all these recent helicopter sightings in the sky over my house are only a coincidence.  :) ;D :D

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,98545.msg1098258443/topicseen.html#msg1098258443

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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2010, 11:56:29 AM »
well boom j , what can I say more than  "nothing is new under the sun"

but dont be so sure that it is a coincedent with the helicopters
it could be the federal forum police  ;D

its not that long ago so you cant feel safe yet

ok a bit serious again
when just providin a link to another place on internet I cant see any problems of any kind
you havent violated anything then , just told people in what direction they should look .

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« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2010, 08:17:33 AM »
Dan: "well boom j , what can I say more than  "nothing is new under the sun"."

Agreed Dan, "the more things change, the more they remain the same", is a favorite quote of mine; but this is only an accurate statement if you're an optimist, if you're a pessimist you soon realize that things usually have a tendency to get worse. ;)

I got thousands of pictures collected during the years from the internet in my computer that I have no idea where they com from . so they cant be used here now , only for my personal joy and research if I understand you correct here .

the only pictures that Im really sure of publishing here from now would then be the pictures I have taken by myself , and then it wouldnt be many of them . so I guess this forum will be a lot more boring from now .

Dan,
Don't despair, we will simply share all this information in private. Even before becoming an unwitting participant in this latest vanishing act, I had been giving some serious thought to just how many members here are really interested in 'the hysterical stuff' as Tim likes to call it (not many, maybe a handful), and whether it was even worth the effort of posting this type of information and photo history here. I too have a ship load of saved photos with no sources recorded, and if you ever need/request something, whether you post the request on the open forum or ask on a PM, if I've got it then consider it to also be yours; and I hope that others here that have bulging artillery photo files will do the same (we know who you are :D).


BTW, anyone else who is interested in getting the photos of the miniature artillery models that I had posted on the board, just ask.     
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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2010, 10:06:49 AM »
well boom j , what can I say more than  "nothing is new under the sun"

but dont be so sure that it is a coincedent with the helicopters
it could be the federal forum police  ;D

its not that long ago so you cant feel safe yet

ok a bit serious again
when just providin a link to another place on internet I cant see any problems of any kind
you havent violated anything then , just told people in what direction they should look .

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how about birthday salutes and as a race starter ??   ;D

Dan providing the link to the other website is the key.  It's the same as quoting a paragraph for a book, ec[et the name of the book ins the link to the website.  You can even copy a picture and post, but you have post the link to the website where the picture came form. 

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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2010, 02:05:51 PM »
ok , so new pictures where you know their origin isnt any problem .
its just all those old pictures without any info thats a problem
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« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2010, 06:51:32 PM »
ok , so new pictures where you know their origin isnt any problem .
its just all those old pictures without any info thats a problem

Old pictures from the original source are no problem the copyrights have expired.  Old pictures take from some ones website must be quoted.