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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2010, 04:06:13 AM »
As a liberal I have never sucked anything off of "working hosts". Does my profile fit that?

 At age 55 my house (five years old) and shed (garage) is debt free and I have 560 acres of farm land which is debt free except for 80 acres which I hope to pay off later this year. I will admit that 160 acres were inherited. I have never collected unemployment and have always worked. I have a masters degree (paid for in cash from my savings). I own eleven firearms at this time and reload. 
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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2010, 04:34:25 AM »
Manditory drug tests before you can get any welfare, foodstamps, etc.  No aid for illegals, deport them.  Close the borders, allow only legal immigration.  Open the borders for more legal Europeans to come here.  They have limited legal immigration.

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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2010, 04:35:29 AM »
LGM270, your last post, hits right on. So many have a blind eye, as to what's going on in this country. There are neighborhoods I use to run around in here in the Toledo area, 20-30 years ago, I wouldn't go into without back up now days. And while some may call it racist, I call it the truth. Those neighborhoods that were predominantly white several decade's ago, are now black or Mexican.
While some of your ideas, limiting how many minoritys are allowed in for legal immagration, sounds radical, I am afraid it's to late. Cats already out of the bag. We're in for some tough times. gypsyman
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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #63 on: October 07, 2010, 04:37:51 AM »
Actually LGM scares me much less than you liberal parasites. I know where he stands. You spineless lice are only here to suck the blood from your working hosts.
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Who I am speaking of here is the liberals and the liberals who are even more spinless, the ones who call themselves moderates out of shame. These folks are flip floppers and back stabbers with no views that can be counted  upon. I'm not big on the racism thing, but ya know what you have a right to believe whatever you want.
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Billie...aren't you some kind of low level state government inspector, drawing a taxpayer supported check, and milking a vet's disability...??? And not big on RACISM... ::) huh? .... that's your whole speil and method, dude....you throw it out any chance you get when some things don't agree with your scheme of things.....LOL



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Nope old TM, I have worked in the private sector for 15 years. I atually work for the largest company out there in my field.
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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #64 on: October 07, 2010, 04:44:30 AM »
I'm sorry that this discussion has gotten a little nasty.  As many of you know, I have relatives who are hold opposing opinions to me on most everything, me being quite conservative, and my siblings....well, not so much.  That said, we never get personal in our disagreements.

Here is my observation.  In EVERY country on Earth with any sizeable economy, a move toward socialism has been followed by exodus of manufacturing jobs and capital.  With the loss of tax base, these countries attempt to recoup lost revenue by taxing the "wealthy".  This further precipitates the capital exodus, and eventually, you create Western Europe (Russia, China before the era of National Capitalism, etc.) with its stagnant 10%+ unemployment (France has stayed around 15% for as long as I can remember).

Then, the numbers become so extreme that lenders declare a Country's potential insolvency, and then we get Greece.

Any time you extract the means of production, or the credits for production (money) from those who most efficiently use it in order to transfer that wealth to non-producers, you get a much smaller velocity of money (less bang for your buck).

It really doesn't matter who gets elected now.  It isn't the Congress who will halt this march toward socialism.  it will be China, Japan, and other creditor nations that will finally cut us off at the tit.  Just watch, it is a mathmatical certainty.  The only difference will be how fast!!!!
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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #65 on: October 07, 2010, 04:47:32 AM »
BTW TM, yes, I know the power of international bankers, and I agree with you.  Monetarism and international banking, for semantic purposes, is technically not American Capitalism.  I define capitalism for the purpose of my discussion points as free market acquisition of the means of production, NOT acquisition of paper.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children what it was once like in the United States when men were free.  Ronaldus Maximus

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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #66 on: October 07, 2010, 05:12:49 AM »
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Taxation:  No federal income tax.  Excise and tariffs only federal taxes.  States funded by state taxes.  No social engineering with federal tax laws.

With the above how would you pay for the military and interstate highway system? Do you believe in doing away with the federally funded school lunch programs or would that be state funded?
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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #67 on: October 07, 2010, 06:28:59 AM »
Quote from IGM 270:
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Taxation:  No federal income tax.  Excise and tariffs only federal taxes.  States funded by state taxes.  No social engineering with federal tax laws.

With the above how would you pay for the military and interstate highway system? Do you believe in doing away with the federally funded school lunch programs or would that be state funded?
GuzziJohn
Why does it have to be State or Fed funded.
Long before there was Congress telling you what you should do and destroying wealth, the family, and creating an underclass, there were charities that people contributed to that took care of these things.  Strange how over the history on the war on Poverty as taxes increased almost three fold that the govenment has taken on more and more costing more and more that a charity, like the local churchs used to do.
My Grandmother used to talk about how the church ladies would make sure the Farmers Kids had lunches in school in the winter, when little $ was comming in to the farmers.  And the churches were giving reguardless if the people were members.
Why is this a Federal, or state problem and not a community solution?

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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2010, 06:40:37 AM »
 doing away with the federally funded school lunch programs


Yes do away with them. Let's see, they give the poor unwed mothers ADC checks to take care of their little bastards. But they spend that on booze and drugs. but we can't let them go hungry so they give them food stamps, which they sell for 50 cents on the dollar. So now we have to feed them in school, with breakfast and lunch!
I did not include wick and several other programs!
   I would cut the welfare whores off!!
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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #69 on: October 07, 2010, 07:39:21 AM »
Ideally it would be great if the churches, etc. could do that, but for what ever reasons that does not seem possible currently. It may work in pocket areas but not overall. The kids have no control over who they were born too. It appears to me that some of you that see abortion as murder won't have a problem seeing an already born child starve to death if the the mother has a drug/alcohol problem, is on welfare, is an illegal, or is a minority of some sort! Geez, make up your mind are you for protecting both the unborn and born or not. If not, you all bring hypocrisy to a new level.
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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #70 on: October 07, 2010, 07:58:02 AM »
We were doing fine until the Federal Reserve was created.  Then we started having massive booms and busts. 

I think for instance, the abortion issue, should be left up to the states, not the feds.  Same with issues like crosses in public cemetarys, etc.  If the local people want it, let it be.

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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #71 on: October 07, 2010, 08:30:07 AM »
Ideally it would be great if the churches, etc. could do that, but for what ever reasons that does not seem possible currently. It may work in pocket areas but not overall. The kids have no control over who they were born too. It appears to me that some of you that see abortion as murder won't have a problem seeing an already born child starve to death if the the mother has a drug/alcohol problem, is on welfare, is an illegal, or is a minority of some sort! Geez, make up your mind are you for protecting both the unborn and born or not. If not, you all bring hypocrisy to a new level.
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There are welfare workers that look after the kids, Foster care or adoption.
And again we never had these problems on such a scale untill we had the war on poverty.  Our war on poverty has created more poverty.  Liberal practices do the opposite of what is wanted.  
Abortion was started in this country by rich white women that thought of Blacks as little more than animals that could not control their urges and was a way to control population, crime ,and poverty.  At the same time ruining the Black family by allowing the father to leave and not be responsible for his children and the State will take care of them.
Abortion started out as a form of racisim.  Thinking it was better to get rid of unwanted colored children, as they would not be able to be adopted out.
It has grown into something else, but the roots are racist.
My attatude is not Hypocritical.  The community can do more for people than can Government.  Welfare programs do not work, and while we do need a safety net of some kind the government should not be the safety net.  There is nothing that government can do that the private sector can not do better, cheaper, and more effectivly.

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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #72 on: October 07, 2010, 08:50:29 AM »
guzzijohn since it is the children we are to feed, let's feed them in school as we are now doing, BUT lest's kick mom off all the other programs!
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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #73 on: October 07, 2010, 08:50:40 AM »
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Taxation:  No federal income tax.  Excise and tariffs only federal taxes.  States funded by state taxes.  No social engineering with federal tax laws.

With the above how would you pay for the military and interstate highway system? Do you believe in doing away with the federally funded school lunch programs or would that be state funded?
GuzziJohn

The Federal Income Tax did not exist prior to 1913 when the 16th Amendment was ratified. I think there was a federal income tax during the civil war, but other than that there was no federal income tax.  In the pre income tax era, the military was funded by revenue from tariffs collected  at customs houses.  If you study the history of the 1880's, there were intense debates over how to deal with the huge surpluses generated by the tariff and ultimately the tariff rates were lowered.    The post civil war period was one of huge economic expansion and growth, and I mean real economic growth in terms of the steel industry, rail roads, agricultural surpluses, electricity, telephone, telegraph, automobiles, and ultimately aviation and space travel.    

The interstate highway system could be funded by tolls, and/or assessments against individual states based on the numbers of miles of highway in an individual state.  During the 1800's we had government funded canals that were instrumental in the development of the country.  I think the issue of funding legitimate government functions can be solved without the oppressive KGB like income tax system that so powerfully dominates our lives at every level.  

As for school lunches, they should be abolished or funded at the state level.  The Federal Government should not be involved in this kind of thing.  The Dept. of Education should be abolished. It's worthless and merely a tool of enforcing rigid political and ideological conformity in school administration and curricula.   Joe Sobran gave a talk some years ago and commented on the sad state of public education since the Federal Government began to exercise "oversight", as follows:  "In the last 100 years we've gone from teaching Greek and Latin in public schools to teaching remedial English in College."  

I went to public schools  in the 1950's-1960's in Virginia, Texas, Arizona, California (San Diego, Los Angeles, Cupertino), Nevada, Washington and in Toronto Canada. (My father's employment was military related and we re-located many times.)    The quality of state funded, state operated  public education was outstanding.  In all of those schools all over the country, I never had an incompetent teacher and  all of my teachers were gracious, kind, classy, well-groomed and well spoken people.  Among all the groups of professional people I've ever encountered, including Doctors, Lawyers, Police Judges, Accountants, corporate executives, the only single group about which I can say I never encountered a single bad apple was public school teachers in my youth.   I know public school teachers and parents of children abused by Marxist  public school teachers  today  and some of the things I've seen simply leave me reeling.   Something terrible happened to our country in the 1960's  and I fear it is irreversible.

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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #74 on: October 07, 2010, 09:38:53 AM »
In response to recent posts:
I have no problem for school lunches and for that matter all education being state controlled. I will agree I have seen little positive come out of federal education programs except for the special education mandates which by the way the feds only provided 18% of the funding promised for those programs. IMHO Bush's "no child left behind" is a total disaster and has hurt are educational systems greatly. As for the mothers and lets not forget the supposed "fathers" of these children, the fathers need to be further forced to pony up on child support and better efforts to enforce that. Mothers need to be given a chance to become mothers, if they do not come through then any supports that do not directly effect the child need to be withdrawn. It was also said that welfare workers, foster programs and adoption should take care of theses kids. Where will the funding come for that? Which of you will step up to adopt a 15 year old that suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome, is a crack baby and is mentally retarded with severe behavioral issues and other related mental illnesses?

As for excise and tariff only taxation, I still do not think that would provide enough income. One has to consider how much more costly our military is now compared to when the most advanced weapon was the wooden warship and cannon and I have not heard much support on this board for cutting military funding. I most certainly believe there has to be a more simple a fair taxation system than we have now. As for usage assessments and/or tolls on the interstate system that is still a form of taxation. I think it would really be the downfall of the interstate system if each state became responsible for whatever part goes through their state. One state may keep the system up well and others might let it become a crumbling pothole filled mess.

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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #75 on: October 08, 2010, 03:25:19 AM »
How costly would our military be if it only protected us ? No nation building , no free protection for others ,
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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #76 on: October 08, 2010, 03:27:30 AM »
Tarriff only taxes sound good to me.  We import about 70% of our oil, and most other things.  Lumber and concrete we make here.  At some point when factories begin returning to America we would have to go back to some type of tax. 

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« Reply #77 on: October 08, 2010, 03:30:59 AM »
flat rate would be both fare and workable. No cooprate tax as it is just passed on .
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« Reply #78 on: October 08, 2010, 03:48:05 AM »
The problem in quieting the hungry masses is they keep multplying while the workers can't because they don't have the money after taxes to feed their own. At the rate we are going I might be in a 3rd world country before I die.
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« Reply #79 on: October 08, 2010, 03:59:38 AM »
FDR in the 1930's was approached by the far left.  They wanted him to start a welfare program to feed all the masses unemployed (25% unemployment).  He said no, because he didn't want dependents on the government.  He said if you just give them food and or money, they would not work.  He said he wanted works programs to employ these out of work people.  Roads, bridges, dams, reforestation.  He also started the 40 hour workweek.  Factories in the 1920's usually ran 12 hour shifts 5-6 days a week.  He figured three 8 hour shifts would employ more.  he also had a 16 year old minimum start for working.  And he started having manditory retirement with social security.  All good ideas to trim the work force and create jobs.  He said people were more responsible if they worked and not get handouts.  I don't agree with everything he did, but he at least saw the problem just giving people money would be. 

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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #80 on: October 08, 2010, 04:01:33 AM »
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Many years ago when I was a kid before the welfare was institionalized,,,the school lunch program was about the only hot meal some rural poor kids got to eat that day....you could just who those kids were digging into that sloppy stuff...going back for 2nds and 3rds. I asked Joe one day how he could eat such facsmiles of food and he said matter of factly it was the only meal he got that day. Of course, in those days alot of the hot lunch program was from federal surplus,,,,cheese, flour, canned meats.

I have heard similar stories from WWII vets who commented about how bad army food in boot camp was but how some of the boys, especially from the Appalachian regions would just chow down on the army food and thought it was great.
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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #81 on: October 08, 2010, 04:28:14 AM »
I'm not sure, but aren't all food stamps on magnetic cards these days for store scanning?...makes it hard to sell stamps.

You're correct on that.  They call them EBT Cards (not sure what the EBT stands fort).  They work about like debit cards from my understanding.

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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #82 on: October 08, 2010, 04:46:49 AM »
The dumbing down didn't come fast enough .
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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #83 on: October 08, 2010, 04:51:06 AM »
I have heard similar stories from WWII vets who commented about how bad army food in boot camp was but how some of the boys, especially from the Appalachian regions would just chow down on the army food and thought it was great.

I don't think it takes too long for most of us to reach the point of lowered standards.  Normally hospital food grosses me out.  It's terrible.  Quite a few years back though (back in 2002) I broke my leg very early in the morning at work (fell down a flight of stairs - bad compound fracture).  It was around 8:30am.  I never eat breakfast, so I hadn't eat anything that morning.  Between riding from one location to another, X-rays, examinations, etc, it almost 9:00pm before I actually made it into a room with a bed.  Not only did I get hospital food - it was a chicken salad sandwich, which is something I normally can't stomach even from a nice deli.  That night it was strangely quite edible :).

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« Reply #84 on: October 08, 2010, 04:59:06 AM »
Yep and anyone who has worked out of town or in places with limited food aval. will note that poor food is better than none. Where we hunt in Canada there are few places to eat . The food is no where near as good as in the states but after a few days you look forward to it. And we look forward to crossing back into the U.S. for both a good meal and a shower with clean water.
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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #85 on: October 08, 2010, 05:04:29 AM »
In the book "BAT21", when he is floating down a river on a log a large python starts toward him but then turns away. He stated that he is deathly afraid of snakes but due to hunger at the time he said that if that snake had got three feet closer he would of killed it and had his first meal in days. All is relative I guess.
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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #86 on: October 09, 2010, 05:30:38 AM »
The debit card type food stamps has done nothing to stop the sale of them. Just go to the store and watch, the person with the card has someone with them. He has bought the food for fifty cents on the dollar and tells the card holder what to put in the cart. I see it all the time.
  As for the fathers paying up, the unwed mothers will not tell who the father is. They know if they do they won't get the free stuff. And the state will try to make the dad pay.
  They just say they don't know who the father is, and in many cases they likely don't!
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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #87 on: October 09, 2010, 02:37:00 PM »
Beerbelly is correct, I have seen this myself also.
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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #88 on: October 10, 2010, 04:11:46 AM »
I don't understand the whole attitude that if you are well to do, then you somehow need to be taxed more heavily than anyone else.  It makes no sense.  It's punishing someone for succeeding.  Flat Tax.  It's exactly fair.  Everyone, regardless of income level, pays the same percentage of their income.  No deductions, no tax returns.  Your employer takes the tax out and you keep the remainder.  Got 15 kids?  You shoulda kept your pants on.  It's not the govt's responsibility to feed them.  It's yours.  Can't do it?  Put them up for adoption so that someone else can.

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Re: You far right people, what would your perfect country look like?
« Reply #89 on: October 10, 2010, 04:34:11 AM »
Keeping up with this has been a tedious and boring task.
All I am seeing is that man can make everything right and it depends on the leaning of that man as to what is right.
There is a way which seems right to man--well.
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