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Re: You folks can stop your speculation..
« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2011, 06:30:55 PM »
Aircraft with pilots bent on mayhem. Even an aircraft can be a (primitive(?) guided missile. Even an atlatl dart is a missile.

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« Reply #61 on: January 12, 2011, 01:58:57 AM »
Since wikipedia is now the ultimate source of correct information. They broke my heart. Wikipedia says the 9/11 attacks were done by Al Qaeda just as reported by the US Government.

I love a good conspiracy THEORY. When portions of the theory can be refuted by real science, the theory needs to change to fit the facts. Yes there was a conspiracy in the 9/11 attacks. Were the US Government or US weapons manufacturing companies involved, highly doubtful. Was there major problems with the events of that morning, absolutely... before we condem everyone sitting at the helm, first responders, etc put yourself in thier position for 5 minutes. America had just seen some real life up close terorrst events for a change. A sleepy nation unaccustomed to such events was ripe for the pickings.

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« Reply #62 on: January 12, 2011, 02:05:45 AM »
Again TM speaks of something he has no knowledge of. 549.5 yes TM that is the open burning temp of kerosene you are correct there. Where you go wrong is that once the building starts drawing air the open burning temp goes our the window. I think our blacksmith friend Ironglow can attest to using a bellows on a forge.

Also TM what is thermite? I bet I can find traces of it in everyones car, home and garrage.
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« Reply #63 on: January 12, 2011, 02:25:44 AM »
TM
What I am saying---well, one more time---is the consiracy theory has more holes than a Hollywood scriptwriter can cover.
Basically---YOU must prove that those 700+ souls never existed or are still alive in the Bahamas or France---I will bet you my life that you cannot do that.
Speculate and damage the real evidence all you want---they died and we are still fighting the ones that will expand this war to America if we stop.
Costly in $ and lives--yes----but stop and you have not seen the carnage they will reek.
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« Reply #64 on: January 12, 2011, 03:17:54 AM »
I give you the interviews of the families and the funeral/memorials that i saw on TV in the aftermath. I am sure there are tapes of them, though, at that time, I had no idea that all this silliness would erupt. I didn't learn anything from Dwight D. either--or forgot.
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« Reply #65 on: January 12, 2011, 03:51:28 AM »
TM I am still wondering if you are going to tell us what thermite is made of? 

I bet we all have traces of it in our cars, homes and garages. It just goes to show you too much information with no real knowledge is useless.
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« Reply #66 on: January 12, 2011, 06:44:14 AM »
TM thermite is NOT an explosive. You really have no clue what thermite is made of do ya?
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« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2011, 07:04:13 AM »
TM how about you tell everyone what thermite is made from.

Also why is your source true while others are not?

Being you are ignorant of what thermite is made of I'll tell you. It is iron oxide, rust in common terms. Get a clue.
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« Reply #68 on: January 12, 2011, 07:26:08 AM »
TM,
After spending 30 years in the Research/Development/Test and Evaluation weapons world I have no clue about weapons, thermite,  demolition materials,  jet fuel, fires and firestorms do. Since I have only been to 3 jet aircraft crashes I will concede that I am an expert in the area of jet aicraft crashes.

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« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2011, 09:15:15 AM »
How many basement levels did the buildings have ? I would suggest the rubble filled them. I have worked on buildings with 3-4 parking levels and several levels for mechanical areas all under the building ground floor. Some even go out the sides having a larger foot print than the expose building.
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« Reply #70 on: January 12, 2011, 09:17:29 AM »
Yeah well...there's a great entrepeneurial opportunity presented here..i.e Safe demolition of buildings using kerozene, which was proven with 100% statistical probability to cleanly drop buildings at the speed of gravity. The old costly methods of cutting, preparing, wiring and blasting these unwanted buildings can now be dispensed with and replaced with Kero Demolition, Inc....could be a very lucrative business with little start up costs and minimal skill and equipment startup expense.

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« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2011, 09:19:03 AM »
Who will fly the plane ?
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« Reply #72 on: January 12, 2011, 09:20:12 AM »
I just do not know how to say this.
I will leave with this thought---everbody must sort it out for teirownselves.
When people, with an overwhelming desire to deny, even at the risk of being labeled unstable in character, distort facts beyond any and all reasonable defensable position--and refuse--in the face of undeniable and documented testimony--to acknowledge the legitimate deaths of 366 human beings + the prepitators--call their families liars and discredit their names for the soul sake of establishing a lie for reasons unknown and unimaginable---is beyond my ability to reason.
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« Reply #73 on: January 12, 2011, 12:19:45 PM »
And this will be my closing statement: I do love conspiracy theories, they are fun. What I will not do is argue with a flag ranked officer ( General Whomever) if I disagree with him that is not how its done. What I will not do is list a bunch of credentials and what I have worked in the past 30 years and still am. This is not Wikileaks nor will I be any part of that.  Having said that, I do know there is alot of speculation about what really happened on that fateful day. My thoughts and prayers go out to the survivors, victims and responders. My continued support will be given to each and every US Service member as I possibly can. Unfortunately this forum does not have a give and take style of conversation so I will no longer be visiting it. The Members are a great bunch of folks. Cya all later best wishes and good health to you all.

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« Reply #74 on: January 12, 2011, 01:53:30 PM »
I had a nephew tell me that 911 was an inside job done by our own government.  No way I could believe such a thing.  He showed me the youtube documentary Lose Change.  I set out to prove him wrong.  To prove him right and me wrong I had to find a smoking gun.  After a two year vendetta I came up with some conclusions.

Smoking gun #1 building 7

BBC was the first news network to report that building 7 fell.  The reporter was going on and on about the tragedy of the third building falling.    All the while she was standing in front of the still standing building.  Oops!!!  ( the same thing happened when JFK was assassinated.  Australian news reported the capture of Lee Harvey Oswald before JFK was shot.  These people seem to have a problem calculating time zones. )  A man reported that he was rescued by firemen just before building 7 fell.  He was told not to look down.  He did.  He said they were stepping over dead bodies.  Firemen a police officers were moving people away from the building saying it was going to come down.  There was a count down 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 and building 7 fell.  All recorded by news cameras and still on youtube for all to see.  May be BBC is really the psychic network.

Smoking gun #2  Large pools of molten metal 3 weeks later

When I first heard about this it seemed strange and out of place.  It was bothering me long before my nephew told me about 911.  All news networks reported 3 weeks after 911 that the ground zero cleanup was stopped.  Why, because there were large pools of molten metal in the base of all three buildings.  It was too dangerous to continue the clean up.  Everybody seems to agree the fires never got hot enough to melt steel.  All official government reports say the fires weakened the steel until the buildings fell from their own weight.  Then 3 weeks later the news network report that the fires were so hot that there were still large pool of molten metal.  How could this be?  I found the answer reading the book, Patriots.  In the book the US collapses.   A new unelected government forms.  The new government and UN troops come after the last US Patriots hiding out in Idaho.  The patriots make thermite grenades to disable the Abrams tanks the UN is using against them.  Hum thermite.  That is what people are saying brought down the towers.  What is thermite?  Powered aluminum and iron oxide (rust).  It burns at temperatures over 5000 deg.  Will burn under water because it produces it's own oxygen.  Firemen reported seeing molten metal flowing down I beams like in a foundry, before the buildings fell.  Termite was found at ground zero.  The government's official explanation is the paint primer on the I beams had traces of thermite in the formula.  I don't believe the government explanation.

I have a lot more.  But, this is my first post, anywhere.  It should be a post not a book. 

My conclusions.  It was a magician's trick.  The planes crashing into the buildings were smoke and mirrors to take our attention away from the truth.  The buildings were wired with thermite.  The plane that cashed in Pennsylvania was to hit building 7.  Building 7 stood all wired up and no plane crash to show.  I think the dead bodies on the floor of building 7 and found in closets by survivors of the towers trying to escape were probably foreign contractors hired to wire the explosives.  When the plane crashed in Pennsylvania building 7 had to come down or the thermite would be found.  Larry Silverstien the lease holder called the insurance company asking permission to bring the building down.  ( this is on record ) The insurance company refused.  They “pulled it” any way, and blamed the fires.

If Americans do not wake up soon and take our country back from the satanic NWO worse things will happen.     
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Re: You folks can stop your speculation..
« Reply #75 on: January 12, 2011, 02:29:37 PM »
Lost farmboy, how do you "wire with thermite"? Thermite is nothing but finely ground rust. It is an incindiary not an explosive.
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« Reply #76 on: January 12, 2011, 04:03:06 PM »
It will not explode.  It needs an out side heat source to start burning.  In the book Patriots they used the starting material from highway flairs to start the chemical reaction.   They only need a detonator that gets hot enough to start a chemical relation in the thermite.   

I don't think this kind of detail very important.  If somebody can come up with an explanation for the pools of molten, metal 3 weeks after the fact, that came from the buildings or the planes, I want to here it.  I just can,t find one.   
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« Reply #77 on: January 12, 2011, 04:29:25 PM »
Who saw these pools of "molten metal" and what kind of metal was it? I have seen molten metal lying about 30 feets from a barn fire. It was melted off a camper sitting there.
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« Reply #78 on: January 13, 2011, 08:16:55 AM »
Who saw these pools of "molten metal" and what kind of metal was it? I have seen molten metal lying about 30 feets from a barn fire. It was melted off a camper sitting there.

Was it still molten 3 weeks later?  Camper top would be aluminum, melts at about 1200 deg.

The metal at ground zero was reported to be steel.  It was reported by all the news networks.  The reports are still on youtube.  The clean up was stopped until the metal cooled.     
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« Reply #79 on: January 13, 2011, 09:06:40 AM »
Reported by who? I been around and lived enough to know most of what you read on the internet is false. Just like the silly story of a missile hiutting the pentagon. My cousin saw the AIRPLANE going in.
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« Reply #80 on: January 13, 2011, 10:48:35 AM »
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Camper top would be aluminum, melts at about 1200 deg.

I seem to recall something about airplanes being made out of aluminum.   ::)

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Was it still molten 3 weeks later?

We are talking about a HUGE skyscraper here, not a campfire.  I've also heard of tire fires buring for MONTHS.

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« Reply #81 on: January 13, 2011, 11:33:46 AM »
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Camper top would be aluminum, melts at about 1200 deg.

I seem to recall something about airplanes being made out of aluminum.   ::)

What airplane hit building 7
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« Reply #82 on: January 13, 2011, 11:37:55 AM »
Reported by who?

CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, FOX
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« Reply #83 on: January 13, 2011, 12:40:36 PM »
Reported by who?

CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, FOX

Can you provide a link? Or did you just hear this?
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« Reply #84 on: January 13, 2011, 01:00:53 PM »
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BBC was the first news network to report that building 7 fell.  The reporter was going on and on about the tragedy of the third building falling.    All the while she was standing in front of the still standing building.  Oops!!!  ( the same thing happened when JFK was assassinated.  Australian news reported the capture of Lee Harvey Oswald before JFK was shot.  These people seem to have a problem calculating time zones.

Now that is frickin hilarious.  So, this super secret government conspiracy was all known about by the BBC before it happened.  Same for the Kennedy assassiination.  Doesn't sound like much of a secret in either case.  Seriously, I think the aluminum in the tinfoil is affecting some brains.
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« Reply #85 on: January 14, 2011, 09:51:17 AM »
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BBC was the first news network to report that building 7 fell.  The reporter was going on and on about the tragedy of the third building falling.    All the while she was standing in front of the still standing building.  Oops!!!  ( the same thing happened when JFK was assassinated.  Australian news reported the capture of Lee Harvey Oswald before JFK was shot.  These people seem to have a problem calculating time zones.

Now that is frickin hilarious.  So, this super secret government conspiracy was all known about by the BBC before it happened.  Same for the Kennedy assassiination.  Doesn't sound like much of a secret in either case.  Seriously, I think the aluminum in the tinfoil is affecting some brains.

BBC REPORT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNK1V6S2cbo&feature=related
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« Reply #86 on: January 14, 2011, 10:29:41 AM »

BBC REPORT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNK1V6S2cbo&feature=related

A link of what? Don't look like a BBC report to me? Does that link look like a BBC report to anyone else? Straw grasping?
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« Reply #87 on: January 14, 2011, 11:33:50 AM »
Yep,,,that's THE BBC report as run on liveleak (Billy, you often use liveleak yourself). They and CNN, and others reported wtc#7 collapsed before it actually did...and that's a very well known fact.   You might say they had prior knowledge.   You can google all the vid on this pre-reporting yourself.

Also, on 9/11/2001 the Secauscus PD arrested a bunch of isrealis sent to film the collapses and reported by a citizen that some guys were taping the whole WTC thing outside her apartment and lighting lighters and celebrating. They were arrested and a few months later ordered released by the Bush DoJ. They went home and appeared on TV staing they were sent to film the catastrophes....which means they and whoever sent them had prior knowledge. Also on 9/11/2001 Police also arrested a van on the GW Bridge full of explosives and cash and isrealis....I believe it was stopped...looks like they were going to blow the bridge according to PD...those guys got released, too.  Both groups should have been sent to Gitmo.


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Any proof of what you say here TM? THe link he provided was not a BBC link.
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« Reply #88 on: January 14, 2011, 12:10:17 PM »
Reported by who?

CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, FOX

Can you provide a link? Or did you just hear this?


The original news stories I saw live in 2001 are hard to find.  They are sill included in much longer videos, but I don't have time to point them out to closed minds.  This one makes the point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-J60B4kOq0&feature=related
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« Reply #89 on: January 14, 2011, 12:33:28 PM »
Reported by who?

CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, FOX

Can you provide a link? Or did you just hear this?


The original news stories I saw live in 2001 are hard to find.  They are sill included in much longer videos, but I don't have time to point them out to closed minds.  This one makes the point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-J60B4kOq0&feature=related

Yeah sure! You folks sure grasp at straws.  :D ;D :D ;D
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