Author Topic: OBAMA SAYS HE'S A CHRISTIAN. (Read 4932 times)

powderman · « **Reply #30 on:** October 01, 2010, 02:34:34 PM »

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OSAMA SAYS HE'S A CHRISTIAN.
Hmmm... I've not heard any such pronouncement from Osama in the news. Such contempt isn't edgy - it's piss-poor juvenile disrespect.

yt3. And your point is what??? I reckon you don't see much American news where you are then, he's been on American tv for several days announcing to the world that he is a Christian and not muslim. Stop watching al jazeera, you might learn something. Respect should be earned and what has he done to deserve it?? NOTHING. Your hero is doing everything he can to destroy this great nation and certainly does NOT deserve my respect. POWDERMAN.

lakota · « **Reply #31 on:** October 01, 2010, 04:16:22 PM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on October 01, 2010, 07:43:34 AM

Quote from: powderman on October 01, 2010, 07:11:57 AM
PAT/RICK. True. Osama can call himself whatever he wants, his church of 20 years was all about blacks and the hatred of the white race. He's definitely no Christian. POWDERMAN.

May be. Of course, considering that... the church of some here seems to be about hatred of the brown race (and black race, and mooslim race, and libruls... lots about polytics and nothing in sight about loving your fellow man)

Muslim is not a race. One cannot be racist towards muslims no matter what we are told by the P.C. police.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #32 on:** October 01, 2010, 05:57:07 PM »

Obama has said a load of crap..............especially when he's trying to get more idiots to vote his way!

No new taxes on people making 250 k or less.

All legislation will be on the internet 6 days before voting on it.

Blah blah blah.....................

Yea the check is in the mail! and he is a Christian. A new one to add to the list of famous lies!

He would say he was Moses if he thought it would get votes.

DDZ · « **Reply #33 on:** October 02, 2010, 01:19:40 AM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on October 01, 2010, 05:57:07 PM

Obama has said a load of crap..............especially when he's trying to get more idiots to vote his way!

No new taxes on people making 250 k or less.

All legislation will be on the internet 6 days before voting on it.

Blah blah blah.....................

Yea the check is in the mail! and he is a Christian. A new one to add to the list of famous lies!

He would say he was Moses if he thought it would get votes.

OS that is exactly right. Anyone that can't see through that lie, isn't looking.
Christian is just a word. Anyone can claim to be a Christian. Its the walk that tells the real truth.

Preacherman · « **Reply #34 on:** October 02, 2010, 02:27:08 AM »

If you would look up the word Christian you would find that it means Christ Like I don't think he qualifies.
Jesus Christ would not support abortions.
Jesus Christ would not support Homosexuality.
Jesus Christ would not have a Beer Summit.
Jesus Christ would attend church.
How do I know this?
Because I know him personally and I read about Him in his book THE BIBLE.
Preacherman

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 02, 2010, 02:56:48 AM »

Quote from: Preacherman on October 02, 2010, 02:27:08 AM

Jesus Christ would not have a Beer Summit.

two questions:

1. what makes you so sure Jesus wouldn't?
2. why shouldn't a Christian invite two guys over to have beer to hash out some issue between them?

fill me in...

Junior1942 · « **Reply #36 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:04:14 AM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on October 02, 2010, 02:56:48 AM

Quote from: Preacherman on October 02, 2010, 02:27:08 AM
Jesus Christ would not have a Beer Summit.
two questions:

1. what makes you so sure Jesus wouldn't?
2. why shouldn't a Christian invite two guys over to have beer to hash out some issue between them?

fill me in...

Because Preacherman says Jesus wouldn't, that's why. Maybe Preacherman could tell us what Jesus did with all that water he turned to wine. Did he drink it or did he make the world's biggest batch of barbeque sauce?

JBlk · « **Reply #37 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:39:41 AM »

This is the same person who swore the oath to support and defend the Constitution of this country.Why would you believe that he is telling the truth now?Unless we take our time to go to the polls and cast a vote aginst his outrageous conduct and the conduct of his supporters we deserve to fail as a democracy.I personally am tired of the conduct of our career politicans and the judges who rule aginst and limit our religious freedom under the guise of seperating church and state.Let the silent majority rise up and tell them that enough is enough.The Presidents agenda can not go forward without the support of congress,Take that few minutes that it takes to vote and remove these bums.When they are replaced demand a two term limit be imposed on our new representives and demand that they support and defend our Constitution or be removed from office.

powderman · « **Reply #38 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:41:07 AM »

yt3. Still stirring the pot I see. Stir stir stir. I reckon ya have to do what ya do best.
PREACHERMAN. Welcome to the board. Don't let yellowtail bother you, nobody here takes him seriously, he just wants to argue and aggravate. POWDERMAN.

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #39 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:49:15 AM »

well ive kinda learned to be very slow to judge a man..mabe hes just doing what i believe was advocated in marx works..the end justifies any means..

could be he is christian s far as he is concerned..
i just know his goals for this country seem very different than mine..so he will not get my vote
even if he reads the new testiment every day..

i just wish the first black president had been one,, who i could support..
it would have been a real strengthening factor for this country..
brought us togather rather than cause us to be so devided..
it would have taken a truely great man who believed in individual freedom that made this country,
the great country it was..
but change is constant..the boss is still in total control.. we havn t exactly acted as one nation under god,for a while now..i pray to him for a miracle ..id like my grandkids to know what true freedom of choice is..
comes a time though possibly,, when the good will suffer with the bad..not saying i havn t been bad or wrong many times..without the christ the president indicates he believes in ..we would all be without hope..

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #40 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:52:09 AM »

Quote from: powderman on October 02, 2010, 03:41:07 AM

yt3. Still stirring the pot I see. Stir stir stir.

It's an honest question, PowderPuff, one you're welcome to tackle if you feel up to it. srsly - why wouldn't Jesus have a 'beer summit'? I know he made wine, and his friends drank it; I figure he might drink a beer, too, with friends (don't know if they had beer then, I'm thinking of today).

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PREACHERMAN. Welcome to the board. Don't let yellowtail bother you, nobody here takes him seriously, he just wants to argue and aggravate. POWDERMAN.

may bet that powderpuff is aggravated because the words are too big for him. O could be, hearing views outside his echo chamber upsets. Not sure which.

Preacherman · « **Reply #41 on:** October 02, 2010, 07:32:42 AM »

Well here goes:
1st The wine you spoke about was not firmented just grape or some other juice.In the book of Proverbs it says not to even look at it much less drink it.
2nd The only summit Jesus invited people to was that they come to him for salvation or healing.The same call goes out today Come unto me.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death,but the gift of God is eternal life thru Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
If yellow would do this that end most if not all of his arguments.
Preacherman

FourBee · « **Reply #42 on:** October 02, 2010, 07:49:48 AM »

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The wine you spoke about was not firmented just grape or some other juice.

I know that many other Christians think that also. But the Webster's Dictionary defines wine as the fermented juice of grapes ....etc:

I've studied this to some extent when I first got saved many years ago, and my conclusion is that what our Lord turned the water into was truely a wine and not a juice. I don't expect to convince anyone, just my two cents worth.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #43 on:** October 02, 2010, 07:52:03 AM »

Old Brack the baby killer. I guess it's a free country uyou can claim what you want. But God knows.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #44 on:** October 02, 2010, 08:58:35 AM »

Quote from: Preacherman on October 02, 2010, 07:32:42 AM

Well here goes:
1st The wine you spoke about was not firmented just grape or some other juice.

I've read John. It seems pretty clear that Jesus created wine there at that wedding; I'm literate, and that's what it says. If you're interested in what it says as opposed to what you've been told it says, read it again, read it in context it is written, and without ideological blinders on (many of us have worn them, unknowingly). I, too, bought that bit about grape juice for years,but it's some hooey that fits the ideology of some of our fundamentalist brethren, and not what the scripture says.

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2nd The only summit Jesus invited people to was that they come to him for salvation or healing.The same call goes out today Come unto me.

That's silly, too, in that it has nothing to do with President Obama's testimony. He's the President of the United State - elected by the people - not the messiah. So standards and expectations for what he does are of course a bit diff than for Jesus, but have no bearing on his faith. Get a grip, brother. Don't confuse the Gospel with GOP.

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Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death,but the gift of God is eternal life thru Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
If yellow would do this that end most if not all of his arguments.Preacherman

None of that relevant to anything discussed here, but... really? Which arguments would be ended were I to convert again? Explain yerself.... .

powderman · « **Reply #45 on:** October 02, 2010, 09:19:13 AM »

FOURBEE. Thats my belief too. If it wasn't wine the Bible would have said so. It was for a wedding party, a celebration, I can't see them partying with grape juice either. POWDERMAN.

FourBee · « **Reply #46 on:** October 02, 2010, 02:25:46 PM »

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by Yellowtail3: 2. why shouldn't a Christian invite two guys over to have beer to hash out some issue between them?

That would be a no brainer in Germany, but in many protestant faiths in the U.S.A. it is shunned. Even a non-Christian would jump on that in a heartbeat.

On the other hand, some foreign countries, the Christians wouldn't have anything to do with one that invited them over for coffee, and for sure don't get caught chewing gum.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #47 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:23:56 PM »

Friend of mine was raised in a fundamentalist household, alcohol considered verboten. She was an exchange student, spent a year with a Christian host family in Germany... was at some church function, someone offered her some wine, and she overhead someone else say to that person, "don't, she's an American,she'll be offended" or something to that effect. Gave her the perspective that her fundamentalist Christian standard wasn't universally accepted by believing Christians elsewhere. She's sharp. She latter graduated from BJU.

ironglow · « **Reply #48 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:38:38 PM »

While I do not see where the use of wine is strictly forbidden and it does say that some wine could be given to those who are about to die or suffering from mental disabilities. (Prov 31:6)
It does however, warn against it's careless usage, perhaps usage at all (Prov 20:1) and we are clearly warned about serving our friends drink until they are not clear in their thoughts (Hab 2:15,16). I see it, especially (Prov 20:1) and (Ecc 2:3) as being a case of, "a word to the wise, is sufficient"; therefore I don't use the stuff at all..no chance to offend God there!
   The preacher is undoubtedly familiar with the Greek term which is translated today as "wine"...a term in Koine Greek which can cover the same material from fresh squeezed juice to fermented wine. Vinegar is translated as such.
   I won't debate the issue, because leaning either way will not send one to Hell.

   I did see/hear Obama's statement about how he became a Christian..I won't judge ...but it did not sound like a solid testimony..no mention of the 'sinner's prayer' or the admonition "by faith through grace". ...And there is NO WAY any real Christian I know wouls "accidently" say "my Muslim faith"..

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Quote from: Pat/Rick on Yesterday at 11:55:58 AM
Don't know if I'll be able to find the link, but it was reported that he changed his religion at the insistance of his wife.
It was reported, was it? Well - there you go!

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She stated that he would never be elected to office if he said he was muslim. That is (as reported) when he identified with Christianity. He has been caught too many times with a relaxed tongue making referances to his being muslim.He is a devout liar more than anything else.

Such BS; the Obama Derangement Syndrome

  YT says; "It was reported"..there you go.. the followup retort could be;

Obama says he's a Christian.."he SAYS he's a Christian"...there you go.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #49 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:45:10 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on October 02, 2010, 03:38:38 PM

I did see/hear Obama's statement about how he became a Christian..I won't judge ...but it did not sound like a solid testimony..no mention of the 'sinner's prayer' or the admonition "by faith through grace". ...And there is NO WAY any real Christian I know wouls "accidently" say "my Muslim faith"..

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Generous of you not to judge. So far an an insufficiently solid testimony goes... whaddya want? The Four Spiritual Laws? Lengthy quotations from Evidence that Demands a Verdict? What? Maybe he could wave around one of those obnoxious Chick tracts an' badmouth the Whore of Babylon?

gypsyman · « **Reply #50 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:49:52 PM »

When I hear that Obama is going to lower tax's, cut govt. depts., and spending, stop buying up American company's and giving them to the unions, turn this country to a socialist state, I'll get out of my echo chamber. Otherwise, I'll stick to it, as that seems to be the only place I hear the truth!!gypsyman

Spirithawk · « **Reply #51 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:52:35 PM »

You have what a person says and then you have what a person does. Like the old saying," Actions speak louder than words." Obama can say he's a Catholic Priest but that don't make it so. I'm not into politics. Just too many lies by most involved. But from what I've personaly seen of Obama's actions. They scream Muslim a lot louder than the whispers of anything else.

ironglow · « **Reply #52 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:54:45 PM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on October 02, 2010, 03:45:10 PM

Quote from: ironglow on October 02, 2010, 03:38:38 PM
I did see/hear Obama's statement about how he became a Christian..I won't judge ...but it did not sound like a solid testimony..no mention of the 'sinner's prayer' or the admonition "by faith through grace". ...And there is NO WAY any real Christian I know wouls "accidently" say "my Muslim faith"..

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Generous of you not to judge. So far an an unconvincing testimony goes... whaddya want? The Four Spiritual Laws? Lengthy quotations from Evidence that Demands a Verdict? What? Maybe he could wave around one of those obnoxious Chick tracts an' badmouth the Whore of Babylon?

  YT;
  Do you know what it takes to become a Christian ? Can you point back to the day you accepted Christ as your lord and Savior and how you did it ? .....Just curious, always pleased to hear a salvation testimony.

ironglow · « **Reply #53 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:57:22 PM »

Quote from: Spirithawk on October 02, 2010, 03:52:35 PM

You have what a person says and then you have what a person does. Like the old saying," Actions speak louder than words." Obama can say he's a Catholic Priest but that don't make it so. I'm not into politics. Just too many lies by most involved. But from what I've personaly seen of Obama's actions. They scream Muslim a lot louder than the whispers of anything else.

You said it well, Spirithawk.. Obama man speaks with forked tongue !

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #54 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:59:17 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on October 02, 2010, 03:54:45 PM

YT;
Do you know what it takes to become a Christian ? Can you point back to the day you accepted Christ as your lord and Savior and how you did it ? .....Just curious, always pleased to hear a salvation testimony.

Hey, if my testimony doesn't include Four Spiritual Laws... will that get me tagged as a Muzzie?

How's this for solid?
How's this for a solid testimony?

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MODERATOR: We begin segment No. 3 with Fred Barnes.

REPORTER: Mr. President, would you describe your religious beliefs, noting particularly whether you consider yourself a born-again Christian and explain how these beliefs affect your Presidential decisions?

REAGAN: Well, I was raised to have a faith and a belief and have been a member of a church since I was a small boy. In our particular church we didn't use that term born- again so I don't know whether I would fit that - that particular term. But I have, thanks to my mother, God rest her soul, the firmest possible belief and faith in God. And I don't believe - I believe, I should say, as Lincoln once said, that I could not - I would be the most stupid man in the world if I thought I could confront the duties of the office I hold if I could not turn to someone who was stronger and greater than all others; and I do resort to prayer. At the same time, however, I have not believed that prayer could be introduced into an election or be a part of a political campaign, or religion a part of that campaign. As a matter of fact I think religion became a part of this campaign when Mr. Mondale's running mate said I wasn't a good Christian. So, it does play a part in my life. I have no hesitancy in saying so. And as I say, I don't believe that I could carry on unless I had a belief in a higher authority and a belief that prayers are answered.

yaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn

Quote from: ironglow on October 02, 2010, 03:54:45 PM

YT;
Do you know what it takes to become a Christian ? Can you point back to the day you accepted Christ as your lord and Savior and how you did it ? .....Just curious, always pleased to hear a salvation testimony.

I do, and I can.

powderman · « **Reply #55 on:** October 02, 2010, 04:39:44 PM »

yt3. If your osama is a Christian why does he support killing babies and homosexuality, thats part of the platform of his dumcrap party, and strictly against Gods laws. POWDERMAN.

Swampman · « **Reply #56 on:** October 02, 2010, 05:30:02 PM »

Jeremiah13:23 "Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? [then] may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil."

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #57 on:** October 03, 2010, 02:51:29 AM »

Quote from: powderman on October 02, 2010, 04:39:44 PM

yt3. If your osama is a Christian why does he support killing babies and homosexuality, thats part of the platform of his dumcrap party, and strictly against Gods laws. POWDERMAN.

You got me there, POWDERPUFF - he's a Democrat! How could he be a Christian? He must be a mooslim!

Junior1942 · « **Reply #58 on:** October 03, 2010, 04:01:51 AM »

This who's a Christian & who isn't a Christian topic reminded me of a conversation I had with a Mormon who stopped by my house on a witness trip. Near the end of a long sermon from him I asked if he believed only Mormons would go to heaven. He answered, "Well, yes, I do believe that."

I replied, "Then you're not a member of a church. You're a member of a cult."

We have cult members here who set themselves up as god-like judges and basically say only Republicans will go to heaven. I say they will have tough questions to answer at the Pearly Gates.

powderman · « **Reply #59 on:** October 03, 2010, 04:22:01 AM »

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We have cult members here who set themselves up as god-like judges and basically say only Republicans will go to heaven.

junior. I've seen nobody here say that. The dems support and promote homosexuality and killing babies at will, part of their platform. I know dems who don't agree with that but they still belong to the only party that does and vote for dems no matter what. Only God can judge them, certainly not me. Even though I'd only voted for 1 dem in the last 30+ years I'd been registered as a dem. After osama was elected by low lifes, blacks, and libs, we changed our voter registration to rep, should have done it many year ago. I don't want to meet my maker with my name associated with a party who supports and promotes these abominable acts and that has no morals or family values. I tell it like I see it. POWDERMAN.