OBAMA SAYS HE'S A CHRISTIAN.

[BBF]

Jeremiah13:23 "Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? [then] may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil."

Perhaps a little more to support pre-destination.

[gypsyman]

Obama is leading this country down the path of socialism. He might say he's a Christian, but does not show it.
If anybody has any questions on what this country was founded on, I suggest you go to some of the David Barton you tube videos, and learn a thing or two on history. And, it's not what's going on in this govt. right now. Hasn't for a long time. gypsyman

[SHOOTALL]

One thing to be considered is should we JUDGE him on being one ? Or should we judge him on his track record ?

[yellowtail3]

Obama is leading this country down the path of socialism. He might say he's a Christian, but does not show it.

How might he show it, politically? Badmouthing homosexuals and putting out some pro-life' rhetoric?

[SHOOTALL]

When did it become Christian to bad mouth homosexuals ? when did pointing out the teachings in the Bible become bad mouthing ? Same for pro life really.

[guzzijohn]

Quote from Shootall:

When did it become Christian to bad mouth homosexuals ? when did pointing out the teachings in the Bible become bad mouthing ? Same for pro life really.

I don't know, however several proclaimed Christians on this board do it on a regular basis.
GuzziJohn

[SHOOTALL]

The Bible tells us killing is wrong as is homosexual acts. Repeating that is not bad mouthing it is stating facts. Judging an indivisual is God domain. Pointing out actions that conflict with the Bible is not bad mouthing. I find it some what odd that a homosexual wants to change the way many think but is not willing to conceed the teachings of the Bible . At least the drunk admits he is in conflict with the Bible but chooses his way and takes his due like a man.

[FourBee]

The Bible tells us killing is wrong as is homosexual acts. Repeating that is not bad mouthing it is stating facts. Judging an indivisual is God domain. Pointing out actions that conflict with the Bible is not bad mouthing. I find it some what odd that a homosexual wants to change the way many think but is not willing to conceed the teachings of the Bible . At least the drunk admits he is in conflict with the Bible but chooses his way and takes his due like a man.

.Always; we must remember to be aware of  - - - The Tempter.
 
Be Ye therefore Wise as Serpents and Harmless as Doves.........

The Tempter;  He cannot be readily identified,  he's dark and illusive, the accuser of men of God  .   Always throwing out bait for the weak and innocent one to take a bite, and then slander and belittle them and rake them over the coals in hopes of dislodging them from their faith.   

He's just the opposite from the strong men of God who lifts up and encourages the weak to continue the race.  It does not matter that he fall many times, or if he finishes last.   What matters is  ~ that he finishes.  For those that finish the race of God's amazing Grace, are all winners.

[gypsyman]

How about hanging around a church that preach's it's good that the 9/11 attacks happened, the birds are coming home to roost. Lets conviently go to a Christian church, when tv camera's can see you.
If Obama is a Christian, I have a big S on my chest and is faster than a speeding bullet. gypsyman

[BBF]

Personally I don't give a rats curly hair what religion a President/Prime Minister is. His politics is the primary and to me only factor that counts.

[SHOOTALL]

That attitude is why we are where we are today. Its what we get not why we get it . IMHO.

[BBF]

 Kindly explain that  post.

[SHOOTALL]

Many voters want politicans that give them what they want. Wealfare , Health care etc. They care not why they get them . They don't see the trap they are falling into. They don't realize the cost in the long term. Why do we give wealfare ? A christian act or vote buying ? Knowing the spirtual back ground of a man might indicate his motive . All things matter !

[SHOOTALL]

Another way to look at it is a good mans politics are guided by his religion a bad mans politics is guided by his lack of religion !

[BBF]

Shootall:

Dunno, depending on your religion a person can still be a scoundrel. I don't care if the man/woman dances naked in the moonlightand plays a pan flute as long as he runs things as they should be. I don't think you and I have a different point of view as to what those things should be.

[lakota]

Jesus Christ would not have a Beer Summit.

two questions:

1. what makes you so sure Jesus wouldn't?
2. why shouldn't a Christian invite two guys over to have beer to hash out some issue between them?

fill me in...

Jesus Christ probably would not need to have a beer summit becuase he wouldnt have fired his fat mouth off before all the facts were in. "The President acted stupidly"


Obama will be anything we want him to be but nothing we need him to be.

[SHOOTALL]

Shootall:

Dunno, depending on your religion a person can still be a scoundrel. I don't care if the man/woman dances naked in the moonlightand plays a pan flute as long as he runs things as they should be. I don't think you and I have a different point of view as to what those things should be.

Don't know about point of view you may be correct. I agree some of the worst crimes have been commited by people who claim to be christians . But I like to stack the deck in favor of good if possible.

[SHOOTALL]

I don't care if they dance naked either . And as far as beer didn't they make wine ?

[Dixie Dude]

If a bum on the street asks me for money, says he is hungry, as I go into a grocery store, I would not give him money.  I would take him in and ask what he needs to eat.  Buy him wholesome food, not softdrinks or candy.  If he hesitates, he is only wanting the money for some beer, wine, booze or drugs.  Shouldn't give them money.  If they knew how to be thrifty, they wouldn't be poor.  I think we should go back to comodities and housing projects.  Not food stamps that can be easily traded for money, or section 8 housing.  Would make people want to get out of that condition.  I think people are poor because they are ignorant, lazy, or have a disease or sickness.  Lazy shouldn't get anything. 

[Pass Lake]

The Bible says "you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."

[Dixie Dude]

When I say lazy, I mean someone with an IQ above 70, able bodied.  They can work, they are smart enough to hold a job.  Some are mentaly off, some are just plain ignorant and need an education.  Whoever doles out the aid, should have some type of tests or something to verify the actual need.  I have worked at, my ex wife has worked at, and 2 of my sons have worked at grocery stores, seen people pay with foodstamps and load them in a Caddilic or Lincoln.  Seems strange to me. 

[FourBee]

 

by Dixie Dude:    If a bum on the street asks me for money

Just Wednesday night.  Our Church had been in service for 30 minutes, while singing hymns, a black man came to the front door, and was peering through the glass.   The Pastor went out to meet him.    Said he wanted some money to buy drugs.  Pastor told him we didn't give money for that.  He then asked for a drink of water.  He got his fill and went on his way.

[powderman]

FOURBEE, SHOOTALL. Good to see that at least some of us GET IT, good posts guys. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

Hmmm... Jesus Christ... most people mean something when they use those words together.

The bible says you will know a tree by its fruit.

Uh-huh. Which fruit do you want to be judged by?

Mat 24:5  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

This guy claims he's a Muslim one moment and a Christian the next.  I don't believe ANYTHING he says.  His actions speak loudly enough for me.  He's pro-Abortion, he ain't no Christian.  No Christ loving, sanctified, born again Christian would be for slaughtering our unborn.  That one thing alone is sufficient for me.

That's because you're an ideologue, in the worst way (no flame intended). Obama has never claimed to be pro-abortion. Lissen up: I've been pro-life all my adult life. I used to use the same language you just employed. I'm done with that. Doesn't change anything, though.

all these peeps worried about Obama being a Mooslim... all political BS, dressed up as spiritual discernment. That happens when yer religion and yer polytics get intertwined too closely.

     Your next to last paragraph.."Obama has never claimed to be pro-abortion"..perhaps you ought to amend that to "Obama never bragged about being pro-abortion".. He not only wants abortion in the USA, he wants to make sure sure little girls & boys are 'snuffed', around the world;
   
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-01-23/politics/obama.abortion_1_abortion-counseling-family-planning-family-planning?_s=PM:POLITICS

[ironglow]

Also Yellowtail;
   B Hussein Obama has, while in Chicago, pushed for laws that allow already born children to be ignored in a cold, hazardous waste closet until they expire. If you back him..you back this: I DARE you to watch it !
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYRpIf2F9NA

   BTW: What are these "four spiritual laws' you keep harping about ?. Is that pert opf the "progressive" movement ?

      Then too..You have taken to referring to Powderman as "Powderpuff"..surely then in liberal fairness, you won't mind if we refer to you simply as "Yellow"..OK ?
 

[yellowtail3]

If you back him..you back this: I DARE you to watch it !

gee, IronGlow, I didn't vote for the guy.

BTW: What are these "four spiritual laws' you keep harping about ?. Is that pert opf the "progressive" movement ?

no, it's a gospel tract. pretty good one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Spiritual_Laws

Then too..You have taken to referring to Powderman as "Powderpuff"..surely then in liberal fairness, you won't mind if we refer to you simply as "Yellow"..OK ?

Oh, is there a we here? Us and them? good guys and bad guys? (shrug) thanks for correcting me; powderman and I both apparently have problems spelling correctly ('Osama' for Obama). We'll both do better. But if you want to demonstrate contempt by calling me 'yellow'... that's up to you. I think reasoned discourse is better, but what the heck do I know?

[BBF]

I've got to chime in on this. Calling Muslims "The Godless ones" is certainly a mistake. They do have a god, although not the same as others may have. One thing is for certain, The Muslims take a much stronger stand in defending their god compared to others and I give them credit for that.

[FourBee]

I've got to chime in on this. Calling Muslims "The Godless ones" is certainly a mistake. They do have a god, although not the same as others may have. One thing is for certain, The Muslims take a much stronger stand in defending their god compared to others and I give them credit for that.

Demetrius , (in the Holy Bible's book of Acts 19:26) , a silversmith of silver shrines for the goddess Diana, was the first mentioned to accuse the Apostle Paul by saying - - this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:His speech nearly caused a riot.  
People worldwide choose themselves gods, refusing the one and only true God, 'The Almighty God', (El Shaddai),  whom, when asked, told Moses "I Am that I Am".

[yellowtail3]

I've got to chime in on this. Calling Muslims "The Godless ones" is certainly a mistake. They do have a god, although not the same as others may have. One thing is for certain, The Muslims take a much stronger stand in defending their god compared to others and I give them credit for that.

Demetrius , (in the Holy Bible's book of Acts 19:26) , a silversmith of silver shrines for the goddess Diana, was the first mentioned to accuse the Apostle Paul by saying - - this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:His speech nearly caused a riot.  
People worldwide choose themselves gods, refusing the one and only true God, 'The Almighty God', (El Shaddai),  whom, when asked, told Moses "I Am that I Am".

Important point, that - almost as important as acknowledging that when Muslims say (in Arabic) Allah, they're saying God, and they're referring to the One who spoke to Moses.

Those calling Muslims 'godless ones' are just being obstinate and contemptuous, nothing more substantial than than.

[gypsyman]

YT3, do us all a favor, and inform the Muzzies, that if their refering to the God that spoke to Moses, as Allah, they should read the 10 Commandments. One of them I believe, says to have no god before me. And they certainly do not do that. gypsyman