Author Topic: OBAMA SAYS HE'S A CHRISTIAN. (Read 4925 times)

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #120 on:** November 01, 2010, 12:38:06 PM »

There are also degrees in which a particular sin has reprocussions. For instance adultry is a sexual sin, that affects family, children, parents, spouses, brothers and sisters. Many people are hurt by it. Whereas premarital sex might not have the reprocussions as adultry, it can lead to mistrust in marriage. Free sex, (Biblical whoremongering), leads to disease and mistrust and adultry in marriage. Homosexuality spreads disease as well as confusion for children. Sin is sin, just different degrees of consequences. Homosexuality is the worse sexual sin, followed by adultry.

Anger can be a sin, if it leads to assult or murder. Gluttony is a sin which leads to being overweight with the associated illnesses.

Coveting what others have is a sin which can lead to stealing, or using the government to steal to spread the wealth around to those who don't work. The poor can be bigger sinners with money than the rich, if it leads to stealing, or squandering money on frivilous things. The rich may donate 20% or 50% of their money to charity. You don't know what they do, while the poor may spend it on lotto tickets, beer, spinners, fuzzy dice and junk.

SwampThing762 · « **Reply #121 on:** November 01, 2010, 02:58:46 PM »

The wages of sin is death. Period. Sin is sin, regardless of degree.

ST762

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #122 on:** November 01, 2010, 05:14:41 PM »

Swampthing, true, but different sins have different consequences in this life. Just a little white lie will keep you out of heaven without the blood of Jesus. What I was showing, was that some sins are worse than others and have consequences worse than others. Hitting someone in anger is not the same as killing someone in anger. Consequences are far greater for killing. That is why Christians are against abortion and homosexuality, because the consequences of continuing to allow it are going to be bad for America.

SwampThing762 · « **Reply #123 on:** November 02, 2010, 10:25:21 AM »

Dixie,

The Bible I read says sing is sin, period. BTW, I read the KJV. The Holy Scriptures do not differentiate degrees of sin, however I will allow you to prevent Biblical evidence to the contrary if you find it. I agree with completely that there is no salvation without being born again in Christ. Christ says that no one comes to the Father but through Him. However, this thread is about simple sin. The wages of sin is death, whether it be stealing an apple b/c you are hungry, committing adultery with a friend's wife, or committing an act of murder. All sins result in eternal damnation, period.

ST762

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #124 on:** November 02, 2010, 12:21:13 PM »

I agree with the eternal damnation without Christ. However, I am just pointing out how sins have consequences in the here and now. Different sins have different consequences. Some such as gluttony usually affect only yourself unless others are dependent on you. Adultry affects two whole families or more. Hitting someone you might get an assalt charge, but killing someone gets capital punishment. We are to be the salt of the earth to make it palatable. We have to pick our fights and try to keep sin in check, like abortion and homosexuality which are more dangerous than sins with lessor consequences.

SwampThing762 · « **Reply #125 on:** November 02, 2010, 01:03:59 PM »

Dixie, I will grant you the boon of your application. Myself, and others, we are only saying sin is sin, period. All have dreadful consequences in my view, as the end result is death. Maybe not in this life, but definitely in the next life.

As for Obambambama, he has lied so much, there must be a special Hell for him. LOL.

ST762

powderman · « **Reply #126 on:** November 02, 2010, 05:38:01 PM »

SWAMPTHING. Not sure you understand what DIXIE DUDE is saying. I believe we all agree that in Gods eyes sin is sin. BUT, here on earth there are consequences to sin, or breaking the law, and there are different punishments for different crimes, or sins, as long as we live on this earth. At least I think this is what he means. POWDERMAN.

SwampThing762 · « **Reply #127 on:** November 02, 2010, 05:49:48 PM »

Pman,

I was a little slow to understand what he is saying. You and I agree that sin is sin, period. No shades or degrees. I did say I was granting the "boon of his application", fancy way of conceding the point. I am a little slow to learn sometimes, and he does agree with me, but we were talking on two different levels. I have been, and still am, speaking from a strictly theological standpoint.

ST762

Pass Lake · « **Reply #128 on:** November 02, 2010, 06:01:48 PM »

We are all sinners, but God's grace saves us.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #129 on:** November 03, 2010, 03:27:57 AM »

Will it matter after last night ? It would seem the christian votes have started a turn around .

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #130 on:** November 03, 2010, 03:54:31 AM »

Powderman, thanks, from a theological perspective, yes any and all sin from the least to the greatest will keep you out of heaven without Christ. I was trying to make the point of how sin works in the here and now and how some affect peoples lives more than others. Obama's works show what kind of fruit he is producing. We are not supposed to judge, but we can be fruit inspectors. "By their fruits, you shall know them". So, that being said, Obama doesn't show any true Christian background....homosexuality, abortion, forcing people to take health care even if they don't want it, Ramadan celebrations, Friday Muslim prayers in the White House, etc. As a side note, Christians in Jerusalem tried socialism, they almost starved to death. Paul had to take up offerings in Greece to help them. Jamestown colony tried socialism the first year, and almost starved to death, went back to private ownership of property, then began to prosper.

powderman · « **Reply #131 on:** November 03, 2010, 05:12:16 AM »

DIXIE DUDE. Good post Sir. I fear there are too many dems, liberals, and other low lifes without family values or morals to ever get America back to being , ONE COUNTRY, UNDER GOD. POWDERMAN.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #132 on:** November 03, 2010, 09:37:18 AM »

Quote from: powderman on November 03, 2010, 05:12:16 AM

DIXIE DUDE. Good post Sir. I fear there are too many dems, liberals, and other low lifes without family values or morals to ever get America back to being , ONE COUNTRY, UNDER GOD. POWDERMAN.

Not when God is on the side of the few !
To think different is to not believe in the power of God IMHO.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #133 on:** November 03, 2010, 09:47:52 AM »

Quote from: SwampThing762 on November 02, 2010, 01:03:59 PM

Dixie, I will grant you the boon of your application. Myself, and others, we are only saying sin is sin, period. All have dreadful consequences in my view, as the end result is death. Maybe not in this life, but definitely in the next life.
As for Obambambama, he has lied so much, there must be a special Hell for him. LOL.ST762

What lies are these that President Obama has told that make him worth of hell, in your estimation?

you'll have to clue me into the part of your Christian faith (?) that would wish hell upon someone for... lying... about what?

powderman · « **Reply #134 on:** November 03, 2010, 10:58:58 AM »

SHOOTALL. Right you are Sir.
yellow. bo's lies have been all over the news and our American papers. Read or watch some American news sources, you might be amazed at what you learn. From now on I'll refer to obama as bo, you know, as in body odor, cause he stinks. POWDERMAN.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #135 on:** November 03, 2010, 11:18:01 AM »

One lie is that with the stimulus bill unemployment will not get over 8%. Hmmm.
Another is the health care bill will not raise your premiums. Mine and others have gone up significantly last year. Hmmm
He told a group of Hispanics that those who oppose him are his enemies. Hmmm
He said if Republicans win last Tuesday there would be blood in the streets. Hmmm Haven't seen that yet.
He said he was a Christian? Doesn't act like it. Hasn't been to church since he has been in office, but allows Muslim prayer group at white house every Friday. Hmmm.

Anyone else want to chime in and tell more.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #136 on:** November 03, 2010, 11:33:49 AM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on November 03, 2010, 09:47:52 AM

Quote from: SwampThing762 on November 02, 2010, 01:03:59 PM
Dixie, I will grant you the boon of your application. Myself, and others, we are only saying sin is sin, period. All have dreadful consequences in my view, as the end result is death. Maybe not in this life, but definitely in the next life.
As for Obambambama, he has lied so much, there must be a special Hell for him. LOL.ST762

What lies are these that President Obama has told that make him worth of hell, in your estimation?

you'll have to clue me into the part of your Christian faith (?) that would wish hell upon someone for... lying... about what?

a lie is a lie . we do not judge God does. We only see the effect for what it is. I would guess the part about transparnt govt. and debate on Cspan is looking much like a lie at this point . Do you see it that way ? or not ?

Spirithawk · « **Reply #137 on:** November 03, 2010, 02:21:35 PM »

If everyone went to Hell for telling a lie, Heaven would be one empty place! However, some lies are a lot worse than others.

powderman · « **Reply #138 on:** November 03, 2010, 02:38:46 PM »

I believe bo's biggest lie, maybe 2, is that he is an American, and that he loves America. POWDERMAN.

SwampThing762 · « **Reply #139 on:** November 03, 2010, 03:11:06 PM »

yt3, we shall know them by their fruits. That is in the Bible.

ST762

Pass Lake · « **Reply #140 on:** November 03, 2010, 03:31:50 PM »

What about people who lie saying they are in healthcare finance but really aren't? Or are cheating their employer when they are posting on internet forums at 2:00 p.m. on a Tuesday instead of working and thus driving up healthcare costs? Are they going to hell too? "We shall know them by their fruit".

Pass Lake · « **Reply #141 on:** November 03, 2010, 04:19:44 PM »

"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, than you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye" Mathew 7:5

billy_56081 · « **Reply #142 on:** November 03, 2010, 04:47:20 PM »

What about the thieves who steal my money from me in the form of taxes.

It was so nice to see the parasite liberals neutered yesterday. Pass quit trying to rain on our parade.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #143 on:** November 03, 2010, 06:13:42 PM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on November 03, 2010, 09:47:52 AM

Quote from: SwampThing762 on November 02, 2010, 01:03:59 PM
Dixie, I will grant you the boon of your application. Myself, and others, we are only saying sin is sin, period. All have dreadful consequences in my view, as the end result is death. Maybe not in this life, but definitely in the next life.
As for Obambambama, he has lied so much, there must be a special Hell for him. LOL.ST762

What lies are these that President Obama has told that make him worth of hell, in your estimation?

you'll have to clue me into the part of your Christian faith (?) that would wish hell upon someone for... lying... about what?

He lied about the near trillion dollar stimulus plan and what it was and was for. He lied about unemployment not exceeding 8%. He lied about the health care bill. He lied about controlling spending. He lied about being a uniter instead he is a severe partisan.

Basically, he is just a big liar. And when you lie to 300 million people and it directly effects their lives, that a big a pretty big deal.

Pass Lake · « **Reply #144 on:** November 03, 2010, 07:19:33 PM »

Billy: I am not trying to rain on your parade. Enjoy it. It can be fleeting.

Cabin: He didn't lie about the healthcare bill. Passage of healthcare was part of his campaign agenda. He said he intended to revamp healthcare. He did. Unemployment figures can only be speculative until the actual statistics come out. No one can guarantee unemployment will be x percent in 12 months. Refresh my memory, what are stimulus "lies"?

Cabin4 · « **Reply #145 on:** November 03, 2010, 07:57:50 PM »

Quote from: Pass Lake on November 03, 2010, 07:19:33 PM

Billy: I am not trying to rain on your parade. Enjoy it. It can be fleeting.

Cabin: He didn't lie about the healthcare bill. Passage of healthcare was part of his campaign agenda. He said he intended to revamp healthcare. He did. Unemployment figures can only be speculative until the actual statistics come out. No one can guarantee unemployment will be x percent in 12 months. Refresh my memory, what are stimulus "lies"?

He said the healthcare bill would not cover abortion and it does. He said it will lower the cost of healthcare and it won't (Just ask any business) . He said illegal aliens won't be covered and they are.

Of course the president cannot nor can anyone predict future unemployment. That’s why he is a liar. He told the American people that it would not exceed 8% if his stimulus bill was passed.The lie is he told the American 8% but never premised that it was "speculative". He said the money was going for "shovel ready" projects. This is a lie. The money went for pork projects and government union worker pension plan bail outs, raises for public sector jobs and pay back pork projects for those that supported his bid for the White House.

He is nothing more than a political scum bag partisan liar for the left wing. He has no interest in being the president of all or most of the legal citizens in this country. He abused his super majority status and now he has paid the price.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #146 on:** November 04, 2010, 03:20:17 AM »

Quote from: Spirithawk on November 03, 2010, 02:21:35 PM

If everyone went to Hell for telling a lie, Heaven would be one empty place! However, some lies are a lot worse than others.

Keep in mind one can ask for and recieve forgivness if they really mean it .

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #147 on:** November 04, 2010, 03:23:36 AM »

Also the path to heaven is narrow ! A lie is still a lie no matter the magnitude . Its sorta like over kill dead is dead .

powderman · « **Reply #148 on:** November 04, 2010, 04:36:08 AM »

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He is nothing more than a political scum bag partisan liar for the left wing. He has no interest in being the president of all or most of the legal citizens in this country. He abused his super majority status and now he has paid the price.

CABIN. Yep, that he is, and a white America hating illegal kenyan to boot. POWDERMAN.

SwampThing762 · « **Reply #149 on:** November 04, 2010, 06:53:03 PM »

Pass Lake,

You are wasting your time if you are trying to bait me. After you have established that you need to use hearsay in your postings, I have decided I will no longer waste my time with you. I have engaged the ignore function. You had your chance, but you have not convinced me of anything. No judgment, just a statement of fact. No get that mote out of your eye, it is unbecoming. If you need a reminder, read Matthew Chap. 7. Have a good evening.

ST762