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The Next Revolution
« on: October 03, 2010, 03:44:32 AM »
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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2010, 04:20:50 AM »
all I got was a bunch of error stuff.
how about telling us what's there.
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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2010, 05:17:57 AM »
Interesting.
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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2010, 01:20:49 PM »
Mr. Farrell lost my attention with the false statments he made in the first statement about the Tea Party. If he can't be civil enough to refer to them without making a rude slur of the name, then I have no time for him! I didn't read any further than that!
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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2010, 01:50:14 PM »
saddlebum, "know thine enemy". It's always better to have them in front of you, rather than behind you, but you have to know which is which, and then you can sit back and let both sides rave at each other, with your own mind made up.
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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2010, 02:14:28 PM »
I don't like the Tea Baggers so the comments didn't bother me.
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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2010, 04:08:33 PM »
What is a tea bagger Swamp?

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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2010, 04:36:01 PM »
The article sounded like one of those,"I gotta deadline coming up! I gotta have "something" for press time"! Thought the article was more inclined to make the tea party sound like the root cause for Americas future problems and disorganization.Whatever.

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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2010, 04:52:42 PM »
saddlebum, "know thine enemy". It's always better to have them in front of you, rather than behind you, but you have to know which is which, and then you can sit back and let both sides rave at each other, with your own mind made up.


Very good advice Dee! Thank you!
Guess I just wasn't in the mood for it today, being Sunday and all.
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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2010, 04:53:23 PM »
America on the brink of a Second Revolution
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ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) -- “What’s distinctive about the Tea Party is its anarchist streak -- its antagonism toward any authority, its belligerent self-expression, and its lack of any coherent program or alternative to the policies it condemns,” warns Jacob Weisberg in Newsweek. But why not three cheers for the Tea Party Express?

Admit it, something historic is brewing. And yes, it’s good for America, even the anarchy. Revolution is renewal. Tea-baggers want to take on both parties, “restore honor” and “take back the country.” Bring it on, the feeling’s mutual.


Obama: GOP pledge a disastrous planPresident Barack Obama used his weekly radio address Saturday to accuse Republicans of overlooking the middle class by creating policies that would benefit only the rich while making a pledge of his own to continue supporting the national economy.
OK, maybe most Americans just silently mimic the words, “we’re mad as hell, won’t take it any more.” But watch out: After November the campaign’s shrill rhetoric explodes into action.

Tea-baggers are kicking the revolution into high gear. Debt is sinking America. Both parties are to blame. So vote out incumbents. Spare no one. We need new leadership, another Reagan or Truman. Congress better get the message: Cut that budget, or they’ll dump the rest of you in the coming Great Purge of 2012.

Unfortunately they’re tone deaf. Congress cannot see past the election. All that changes in November.

So thanks Tea Party, Vegas odds must favor a Second American Revolution. Actually, the revolution is already roaring, hot, it’s about time. The GOP and the Dems had more than a decade. But America’s worse off. We need a real revolution to restore sanity … or we can kiss democracy and capitalism good-bye, permanently.

Warning: Another revolution will cost investors 20% more losses
Yes, big warning, the Second American Revolution will extract painful austerity, not the “happy days are here again” future touted by tea-baggers. For years it’ll be impossible for most of America’s 95 million investors to develop a successful investment or logical retirement strategy.

Why? Political chaos will translate into extreme volatility and a highly unpredictable stock market. Result: Wall Street will lose another 20% of the value of your retirement portfolio in the next decade, just as Wall Street did the last decade. So if you think you’re “mad as hell” now, “you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet!”

Here’s the timeline:

Stage 1: The Dems just put the nail in their coffin by confirming they are wimps, refusing to force the GOP to filibuster the Bush tax cuts for America’s richest.

Stage 2: The GOP takes over the House, expanding its war to destroy Obama with its new policy of “complete gridlock,” even “shutting down government.”

Stage 3: Obama goes lame-duck.

Stage 4: The GOP wins back the White House and Senate in 2012. Health care returns to insurers. Free market financial deregulation returns.

Stage 5: Under the new president, Wall Street’s insatiable greed triggers the catastrophic third meltdown of the 21st century Shiller predicted, with defaults on dollar-denominated debt.

Stage 6: The Second American Revolution explodes into a brutal full-scale class war rebelling against the out-of-touch, out-of-control greedy conspiracy-of-the-rich now running America.

Stage 7: Domestic class warfare is compounded by Pentagon’s prediction that by 2020 “an ancient pattern of desperate, all-out wars over food, water, and energy supplies would emerge” worldwide and “warfare is defining human life.”

What’s behind our 2010-2020 countdown? It became obvious after reading the brilliant but bleak “Decadence of Election 2010” report by Prof. Peter Morici, former chief economist at the International Trade Commission. He sees no hope from America’s political parties, just a dark scenario ahead.

Here are the 10 points we see in his message:

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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2010, 05:05:24 PM »
explain to me how the pentagon got mixed up in your post.  other than your accusation, where is the link to the pentagon?

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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2010, 05:37:01 PM »
It is just another hit job by the liberal communist. They will stoop to any low , any lie. Nothing new.

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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2010, 05:01:13 PM »
Sounds like a good time to me. Hopefully it happens sooner.
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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2010, 03:49:48 AM »
I like the Tea Party movement---any movement that would rally the American people to the polls.
I hold little hope that there will be viable "third Party" any time soon---but I pray that I am wrong.
I am more concerned with Congress than the President.
If we have real Congressmen--statesmen, not politicians---I don't care who sits in the round room. That is a little exagerated--I hope the point is understood.
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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2010, 04:16:17 AM »
I've been to a TEA party.  Those who spoke said the basics they want are:

1) Less government spending
2) Less government regulations, especially in areas not needed.
3) No more bailouts of banks, businesses, etc.  Let them file bankrupcy or go under and let other more efficient companies take over their assets.
4) Education back to the states.
5) Get the government out of health care, allow cross state coverage and competition among providers.  
6) Fair trading with other countries, not Free trade without being fair.  This would bring a lot of industry back.  For instance if a country subsidises their industry to undercut ours, slap a tarrif on their goods.  
7) Allow drilling offshore, in Alaska, etc, to cut imports of oil.  
8) Secure the border, and deport illegals.

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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2010, 04:19:48 AM »
There was one word I was looking for in that entire article. And, it's not there. Conservative. The writer just doesn't get it. Tea party is all about conservatism. Doesn't have to be Rep. or Dem. or third party. Conservative. Period. That's the problem with most of the politicians, Rep or Dem. Got their head up their a** so far, can't see or hear what the people are trying to tell them.
As far as the time line of when things are going to happen, it's a crap shoot. I don't think the Tea Party movement came along soon enough. Things were headed down hill for a long time. It's just going to go faster now. We have a ways to go before we hit bottom. gypsyman
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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2010, 04:32:01 AM »
We do need a Reagan.  Reagan was quick witted and could ad-lib.  He mostly wrote his own speaches.  He didn't need a teleprompter.  He was a good debator.  We need a conservative who can do this.  

Another thing on the TEA party I attended.  There was a lot of flags, veterans, Don't Tread on Me shirts and flags.  I saw nothing un-American.  No hate, No racism.  Just hate for big government in general, high taxes, and too much debt and spending.  

There was some there pushing for the Austrian school of economics and for an independent audit of the Federal Reserve.

Swampman, have you been to a TEA party meeting?  Don't condem until you find out what they want. 

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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2010, 10:44:06 AM »
By endorsing canidates that cannot win, they will ensure the dems stay in office.
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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2010, 10:55:35 AM »
TEA party has mostly endorced true conservative Republican candidates, in which a lot have won, and will probably win against most of their opponents. 

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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2010, 11:03:12 AM »
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By endorsing canidates that cannot win, they will ensure the dems stay in office.

Swamp...out of the last 60 years Dems have controlled congress close to 53 of those years...they have been in office plenty.
Obviously whatever we have been doing the last several decades has not been working.  You might think about trying something new before you pass on.

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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2010, 11:03:22 AM »
Swampman that might not pan out. We have been told that for years and nothing changes . Maybe its time the dried in the wool change not those on the edge. If you don't want dumb-o-crats in then don't vote like always !
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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2010, 01:58:47 PM »
TEA party has mostly endorced true conservative Republican candidates, in which a lot have won, and will probably win against most of their opponents. 

Not gonna happen....
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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2010, 02:04:58 PM »
if you keep doing what you always have done, you will always get what you always got.     
  and i know that trying to convince swampy is like talking to a log.   you can prove your point 1000 times and it wont make a shred of difference. 

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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2010, 05:43:27 PM »
Not all tea party people will win, but I am betting 95% will. No one wins them all!
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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2010, 07:20:40 PM »
Insanity- doing the same thing the same way, over and over and expecting different results.

I think I understand from wince Swampy speaks. And like he, I dont wanna see any third party ensuring leftist and ruling class horses asses winning any elections. but the tea party candidates aren't a third party. The confounded Republican party hasn't figgered that out yet either!  Duuuhhh!!!

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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2010, 02:58:35 AM »
 its been a long time since there was the  bloody H of war in this country..

 make no mistake ..war is about the closest to hell on earth,,one can experience..
 i said,, about the closest.. slavery i guess might be worse..
 only turning back to the one really in charge will preserve the one nation under god,
with liberty an justice for all,greatness of this nation..
 sure ,it was a goal,not allways fact.. but at least it was an honorable goal..
 me i just am thankful for the freedom ive enjoyed ..only one knows the future..
 but i  do believe one thing.. those with similar beliefs,as myself,,setting in thier easy chair
come vote day,,does not bode well for the freedom ,i love..
 one of my pet peeves,, is one resolutely saying [they ll pry my guns outa my cold ,dead hands..]
 then you ask them if theyve voted yet when the time comes..thier answer .. heck ,i aint voting for none of them crooks..
 if thats you.. do you have any complaint,when you lose that right,bought with the blood of so many good men..in my opinion NOT.
 but that is just my opinion..i do encourage you to vote ,ladies an gentlemen on this forum..
let the people choose..if i offend some of you ..its not the first time ive done that..
im not without guilt ,,as to not voting,at times ,,myself..god bless.
 

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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2010, 03:14:03 AM »
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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2010, 06:21:49 AM »
Insanity- doing the same thing the same way, over and over and expecting different results.

Wisdom as spoken by Albert Einstein. 

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I think I understand from wince Swampy speaks. And like he, I dont wanna see any third party ensuring leftist and ruling class horses asses winning any elections. but the tea party candidates aren't a third party. The confounded Republican party hasn't figgered that out yet either!  Duuuhhh!!!

Tea Party is either a third party or they're the same as an existing party.  Don't be afraid of calling things what they are.  A third party is a GOOD thing these days.  Both of the existing ones stink!  When voting for the lesser of two evils you're going to end up with junk either way. 

As it is, it's like having to vote on whether or not to shoot yourself in your left foot or your right foot. It really doesn't matter if voting "None of the above" doesn't have much of a chance of succeeding, because regardless of which of the "obvious" choices wins out, you're still losing.

If you want to vote Tea Party candidates, do so.  Vote for who you want to win, not for who you think will win.  Personally I've always been a fan of the Libertarian Party, and still support them.  A lot of the ideas of the Modern Whig Party are looking promising too. 

Either way, the two party system that we have is broken, and choosing which foot to shoot yourself in isn't really a choice.  If you want there to EVER be a viable candidate without an R or a D beside their name, then it has to start somewhere.  You don't start at the bottom of the mountain and decide not to take the first step (or many, many after it) because it won't get you to the top.  You take it because you know that even though it is far away, you'll never reach the top without that step.

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« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2010, 06:25:15 AM »
I understand that at this time the Tea Party endorsements are running about 65% to 70% winners.  Seems pretty good to me.  They are so effective some incumbents are threating legal action if the News Media accepts their adds.  Incumbents are running scared.  

Here is an add they are running that has brought threats of legal action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OqMJ3aQC0c
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Re: The Next Revolution
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2010, 06:54:14 AM »
which is why i do not give party money, give the canidate you like money directly;  cut out the party.   this neuters the partys that have been screwing us.