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Moving to AK??
« on: October 07, 2010, 12:08:32 PM »
I have an insider pulling for my Alaskan dream assignment. There's a slot open at Ft. Rich and I hope to fill it next Spring. I have been and will continue to read about hunting in AK, but was wondering if I'm bring enough firepower. I would like to hunt deer, moose, caribou and the bears.

I have a Win 70 in 30-06 and a few Handi rifles, 45-70, 45LC, 30-30, 223.  I have the reloading components for a 35 Whelen. Should I consider a rifle so chambered or hold-off for a .375?
Oh yeah, I also have an older Mathews Q-2 bow. ;)

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Re: Moving to AK??
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2010, 12:23:51 PM »
Dinny,

Hope you get to go.  I spent 7 weeks fishing there in 85 and 1 week fishing there in 04 or 05 can't remember the year.  When you see the footprints of those big brown bears or look at one up close it gives new meaning to the words under gunned.  Thats just me and I know they have been killed by smaller callibers but IMO bigger is definately better!

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PS  I will modify this post later with a picture I took in 85 of one of the bear encounters.
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Re: Moving to AK??
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2010, 12:26:35 PM »
.30-06 with 220 gr loads will take anything in Alaska.  My former father in law was an avid bear hunter, and he used a .300 Winchester Magnum, but he felt that the '06 was plenty good enough.  He was told that he should get something heavier so traded in his .300 for a .338 magnum.  He told me that after a session of sighting in, he went back to Frontier Sporting Goods and traded it back to Dick McIntyre for his old .300.  This was in the late '60s when you didn't have all the rigamarole with bear hunting that you do now.  He even had a polar bear skin, along with I don't know how many grizzly, brownie (I know, they are now considered the same) and blackie skins.  His taxidermist must have loved him!

Sourdough should weigh in also, he uses his .30-06 HandiRifle quite a bit.

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Re: Moving to AK??
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2010, 12:30:39 PM »
I always thought that the 220s were past the point of diminishing returns. Meaning they're too slow to do anything the 180 or 200 couldn't do better due to their faster speed. But then again, I have never been to AK.


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Re: Moving to AK??
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2010, 04:51:52 PM »
I always thought that the 220s were past the point of diminishing returns. Meaning they're too slow to do anything the 180 or 200 couldn't do better due to their faster speed. But then again, I have never been to AK.


Thanks, Dinny

  After living 25 years in Alska, and spending much of my time hunting big bears, i concluded that a "properly loaded" 30-06 will do a number on any bear, no matter how big.  BUT, properly loaded to me means loaded with full power loads with 200 NP's as the bullet.

  I've found the 200 grain bullets do out perform any of the factory 220's.

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Re: Moving to AK??
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2010, 05:14:40 PM »
Thanks for the info everyone. I'm sure Sourdough will be on sometime soon if he isn't hunting, but I am really interested to see if a single-shot rifle is adequate. I'm not Jim Shockey and don't have the money he has to hire a few helpers who carry big-bore rifles to protect him. If so, I may just end up getting a barrel for my Encore. I really like the 35 Whelen, will it do all that I will need it to?

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Re: Moving to AK??
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2010, 05:40:46 PM »
the whelen is a perfect all around rifle for up here.  I wouldn't worry about only having a single shot, you can reload an encore pretty darn quick  ;).  I used my encore muzzle loader to take my moose this year, one shot was all that was needed.

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Re: Moving to AK??
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2010, 05:45:03 PM »
the whelen is a perfect all around rifle for up here.  I wouldn't worry about only having a single shot, you can reload an encore pretty darn quick  ;).  I used my encore muzzle loader to take my moose this year, one shot was all that was needed.

I am a reloader but, how's the availability of Whelen ammo up there?

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Re: Moving to AK??
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2010, 05:02:12 PM »
Dinny I hunt everything here and all I have are singles the biggest being a ruger #3 and H&R in 45/70. The 06 and 200/220 grain Core-Lokt has been takeing all here for at least sixty years. Bring what you have look around and then deside if you want to change anything. Heck even my protection shotgun is a single and though I carry a big handgun I've never needed it.

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Re: Moving to AK??
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2010, 11:56:33 AM »
Dinny:  90% of the time I carry a 30-06 Handi, it's my go to beater gun.  The 180gr bullet is the optamum heavy weight bullet with good range and lots of energy.  The 200 and 220gr bullets are built for the 300 Win Mag and are just too much for the 30-06.  Velocity is too low for good performance beyond 75 to 100 yards.  Many times shots are going to be out at 200 and 300 yards, with no chance to get closer.  I load three bullet weights for the 30-06.  125gr (Speer TNTs and Nosler Ballistic Tips) for varmits, 165s (Sierria BTs, Nosler Accubonds and Partitions) for Caribou, Black Bear, and Wolves.  I would not hesitate to shoot a Moose or Grizzly with the 165gr either.  I prefer 180gr Nosler Partitions for Moose and Grizzly.  That little extra energy makes a differance.  

I do also carry other guns.  Next to the 30-06 my favorite cartridge is the .338 Win Mag.  (Thompson Center Rifle and Ruger M-77 MKII with 225gr Nosler Partitions)  Good range and stopping power when it gets there.  As for the .375s I don't like them.  Massive recoil and poor range.  I also carry a Mauser action .35 Whelen, with 250gr Nosler Partitions.  

My hunting partner usually carries a Marlin 45-70 when we are not hunting during the spring and summer.  During hunting season he carries a .30-378 Weatherby.  During the winter when all we are going to see is Wolves and varmints he carries a 22-250.

Now for the Ruger MKII in .338 Win Mag.  That is not the gun to shoot from the bench, it is a hunting gun.  Never shoot it more than three times period, till you have become desensatasized to recoil, it will hurt you if you do.  It does kick pretty hard, but when hunting you never realize you have shot it when the animal falls.  When I first got my first .338WM (1985) I thought about getting rid of it.  It was just beating me to death (6’3” 170lbs).  Then someone told me to only shoot three shots at a time till I got it sighted in.  Once I got it sighted in I only shot it for hunting.  Over the years I have learned how to hold it, and how to absorb recoil.  No longer a problem shooting it from the bench, especially since I use a Lead Sled type shooting rest.  I’m now 6’2” 250lbs, I can absorb far more recoil now, more padding.  One more thing, down around South Central (Anchorage) they get a lot of rain.  I would suggest getting a stainless steel, synthetic stock, gun in whatever caliber you decide.  Avoid Wood like the plague, laminated wood excepted.

Popular calibers with old time Alaskans are:  .338WM, .300WM, 30-06, .375H&H.  The newer guys (mostly GIs) are bringing everything you can imagine, with the .338 Rem Ultra Mag being very populer.  My neighbor brought one up when he moved here.  Did not last long, about two seasons.  He traded it for a .300 Weatherby Mag.

Since I am no longer able to get out and chase things like Caribou, and Moose I have started shooting at long distances.  I set up in a good location where I know the animals will be moving through.  I shoot a .338/378 Weatherby Accumark, 225gr Nosler Accubond at 3200fps.  Most shots are in the 300 to 800 yard range.  My partner and I can consistently hit a 1 gal milk jug out to 1200 yards.  That jug is smaller than the kill zone on a Moose or Caribou.  I carry this gun for three to four days each year.
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Re: Moving to AK??
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2010, 01:12:15 PM »
Sourdough,
  Thanks for the good info! I will continue as planned...with my trusty Win 70 30-06. I have collected many bullets for the '06 over the last few years, I have many Barnes, Berger and Nosler Partitions. It sounds like I will be well-suited.

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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2010, 10:42:35 AM »
A lot of people up here use the Barnes and Berger bullets.  And many of them will not shoot anything else.  

As for me, I started with Noslers back in 1968, when I first came to Alaska.  At the time I got 7.62 ammo by the case.  I pulled the Ball bullets and replaced them with Nosler Partitions of the same weight.  (Cannot remember if it was 150 or 165gr bullets, I am thinking it was 165gr).  I then shot them through my British made Parker Haile .308.  No pressure problems, and for 16 years that was the only gun I owned, and the only ammo I shot.  Then I bought my first 30-06, then a year later I bought a .338.  Because of the good results I had with my .308 and Nosler bullets, I stayed with Noslers.

I do load Speer, Sierria, Barnes, and Hornady bullets from time to time, but I always seem to come back to Nosler.  
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Re: Moving to AK??
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2010, 12:10:28 PM »
I don't know if Browning still chambers their BAR in 338 Win Mag. I had one many years ago and it was an exceptional shooter, at that time I just didn't realize how good it was. The felt recoil was less so then some lesser cal rifle I have had.
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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2010, 12:14:22 PM »
I don't know if Browning still chambers their BAR in 338 Win Mag. I had one many years ago and it was an exceptional shooter, at that time I just didn't realize how good it was. The felt recoil was less so then some lesser cal rifle I have had.

I've heard that before from someone who also recommends not firing it from a tree stand. The repercussion knocked all the snow off the bows and he nearly fell from the tree. He had a BOSS system on his..... :-\

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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2010, 05:27:30 AM »
I never had the BAR in a tree.
I did however knock a whole bunch of   B I G  icicles of my gutter when firing a 444 out of the window. ;D ;D
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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2010, 06:03:17 PM »
Need to be real careful what you shoot from a tree stand.  Falling could be disasterous.  Could kill you too.  Think about it.  Here you are up a tree and you shoot a bear with a big gun.  Kill the bear, knocks you out of the tree, and breaks your neck.  No one finds you till next summer, except Birds, Wolves, Foxes, and Voles.  Won't be much left.  Rog
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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2010, 06:58:53 AM »
Geeez, now there is a pleasant thought. ::)
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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2010, 07:09:37 AM »
I have never been hurt from a fall, it was always that sudden stop at the end. ::) After reading Rog's post, all I could think about is lions, tigers and bears, oh my... :D

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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2010, 08:00:46 AM »
A harness should take care of the "Sudden Stop" at the bottom. ;)
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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2010, 12:02:18 PM »
A BAR is a pussy cat for recoil.  Even in the .338WinMag.  Put a break on it and it recoils like a .243. 

My 98lb 4'11" wife shoots a Remington 7400 in 30-06, with no break.  Being a semi-auto the recoil is dampened to the point she can handle it.
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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2010, 08:09:29 PM »
Well guys, it looks like I lost the battle for Alaska.  My assignment manager has given me some options and none of them are OCONUS locations.  Oklahoma looks like it's gonna get 3 more citizens come next Spring. :( Oh well, there's always one last reenlistment coming up in a few years.

Thanks for all the info you have provided me with. One day I will make it there.

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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2010, 08:43:16 AM »
the whelen is a perfect all around rifle for up here.  I wouldn't worry about only having a single shot, you can reload an encore pretty darn quick  ;)

 

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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2010, 03:41:44 PM »
Sourdough you know they were shooting those Remington 200 and 220 gr long before the 300 winmag was though up.They are nice in the 300H&H also

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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2010, 05:34:16 PM »
the whelen is a perfect all around rifle for up here.  I wouldn't worry about only having a single shot, you can reload an encore pretty darn quick  ;).  I used my encore muzzle loader to take my moose this year, one shot was all that was needed.


  Have you actually ever been charged by a big bear??  (i have)  If you have an Encore in your hands and don't get it done with the first (and only) shot, the bear will be cleaning up the gene pool!

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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2010, 07:43:36 PM »
Sourdough you know they were shooting those Remington 200 and 220 gr long before the 300 winmag was though up.They are nice in the 300H&H also

The 200 gr Speer was my all purpose bullet for the30-06 and 300 Win Mag while on the west coast.
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2010, 08:47:07 AM »
the whelen is a perfect all around rifle for up here.  I wouldn't worry about only having a single shot, you can reload an encore pretty darn quick  ;).  I used my encore muzzle loader to take my moose this year, one shot was all that was needed.


  Have you actually ever been charged by a big bear??  (i have)  If you have an Encore in your hands and don't get it done with the first (and only) shot, the bear will be cleaning up the gene pool!

  DM


Actually I have been charged by a brown bear sow, thankfully it was a false charge and ended about 30 feet away.  I seriously doubt that if you don't get it done with the first shot regardless of what rifle you are carrying its not going to get done.  Random acts do happen but a thimble full of situational awareness and common sense will go far further during a bear encounter.  The pistol strapped to my chest is the second line of defense and will be much easier to shoot from your back, if needed.

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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2010, 09:47:42 AM »
  If you have experienced a full on charge, then you know that your Encore is worthless after the first shot.  A double rifle would "by far" be my first choise in that situation.

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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2010, 06:25:03 PM »
personally I'm not in a position to afford a double rifle,  cost of 10k plus and limited in use to strickly dangerous game at close range,  I'll take a good bolt gun or even my encore to the field and risk being limited to one shot in the event of a bear attack.  There are rabid bears behind every tree and bush in alaska, don't you know!   Seriously people need to be aware of thier surroundings and not smell like food to be safe from bears.  No amount of firepower is a sure thing in the unlikely event of a bear attack. 

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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2010, 05:49:03 AM »
Dinny I wish you the best in the obtaining the Alaska assignment.

Sometimes who you know makes things happen in the military and in civilian life.  My father-in-law to be and his brother were in route to Alaska just before WWII broke out.  The Alaska dream was delayed because of WWII and the Korean War, but some dreams come true.  The FIL was on a military flight with General Joseph Stillwell Jr.  The General asked FIL where he would like to go on his next assignment.  Seeing an opportunity FIL said Alaska.

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It was not long and FIL and family moved to Fort Greely, AK.  They ended up buy a couple of properties in Delta Junction planning to live there after he retired from the Army.  They loved Alaska.  I should note that this was before Statehood.

When the father-in-law was a kid any firearms in the house except for a single shot .22 rifle were family firearms, and he did not have any that went with the Alaska dream.  He purchased a Husqvarna 30-06 and a 12 gauge Ithaca pump shotgun at the Ft. Greely PX.  He used the shotgun for birds and the 30-06 for moose and caribou. 

He told me that it was good to have an “Army” of friends once a moose was down.

As far as I know he used 180-grain WW Silvertips. 

Like a dream you wake up or in the case of the Army you get moved in a few years.

FIL hung on to the Delta Junction properties long after retirement from the army dreaming of returning. 

A lot has changed in the world of firearms and ammunition in the last fifty years but the dream lives on.

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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2010, 06:06:48 AM »
The dream is alive and well. BG Stillwell was a very accomplished soldier.




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