FLAG WAR IN NC.

[STRANGE1]

Whats more important than the religious beliefs of our founding fathers, is the fact that they were here searching for religious freedom.  They were being persecuted in their homelands, so they came here to start a country where they could worship however they wanted to.  Seems that some people today want to just flush those beliefs down the toilet.

[scootrd]

I am a very religious person , My Christian beliefs are personal, I push then on no one, and I want no one pushing theirs on me. I must agree with MgMorden on this.

You cannot favor one over all.
If you make laws for one , then you would need to make laws for all.  
I also believe let people worship how they well please - just keep the government out of the affairs. Just as our founding fathers believed. Freedom to worship how you choose.

Separation from church and state is important. If you allow the christian flag to fly , you must also allow a Zion Flag , a Buddhist flag , A united Methodist flag, a Tibetan Buddhist prayer flag , a Presbyterian flag  etc...

The only way for equality is allow all or allow none.

[subdjoe]

I am a very religious person , My Christian beliefs are personal, I push then on no one, and I want no one pushing theirs on me. I must agree with MgMorden on this.

You cannot favor one over all.
If you make laws for one , then you would need to make laws for all.  
I also believe let people worship how they well please - just keep the government out of the affairs. Just as our founding fathers believed. Freedom to worship how you choose.

Separation from church and state is important. If you allow the christian flag to fly , you must also allow a Zion Flag , a Buddhist flag , A united Methodist flag, a Tibetan Buddhist prayer flag , a Presbyterian flag  etc...

The only way for equality is allow all or allow none.

Once again - how does flying "a christian flag" in any way shape or form "establish" a State religion?  Does it force you to attend a certain sects services?  Are special fees imposed on you or special taxes levied on you if you don't attend services of a certain sect?  Please, answer that question, don't side step it with the usual platitudes and diversions.

Be nice if you also answered these too:

And, how come a city setting up Dolhareubang in a public park doesn't establish a religion? 

How are junior colleges and Dept. of Parks & Rec offering Qi Gong, Feng Shui, and Yoga - all of which have religious roots, and qi gong and feng shui are actively shamanist religions now - not establishing a religion? 

How are buddhist prayer flags being allowed on public land not establishing a religion?

How is public money spent on taiko drummers for various celebrations not establishing a religion? (and,yes, taiko has mystic/shamanist roots)

Somehow it seems like the professional victims think that ONLY Christians are capable of establishing a state religion. 

As you say, the only way for equality is to allow none. But somehow it is ONLY Christianity, which is followed in some form by about 85% of Americans, that is being driven from public view.

(sits back and waits for more straw men, red herrings, and other diversions)

[MGMorden]

subdjoe: If you take offense to those items, take issue with it and ask that they be removed.  I'd wager you'll get good results. 

The only exception being the classes offered at the colleges.  Academic study of a particular religion is not counted as worship, and is therefore quite commonly offered at colleges (and that's the same for all religions - virtually every college you look at offers courses on the study of Christianity).

[subdjoe]

subdjoe: If you take offense to those items, take issue with it and ask that they be removed.  I'd wager you'll get good results. 

The only exception being the classes offered at the colleges.  Academic study of a particular religion is not counted as worship, and is therefore quite commonly offered at colleges (and that's the same for all religions - virtually every college you look at offers courses on the study of Christianity).

Nice side step...again.  Why is it so hard for you to answer those questions?

and

I have.  I get told things like "Well, no one knows they are religions, so it doesn't matter."  or "No one is forced to take those classes, so it doesn't matter."  Basically trying to explain how teaching religion is not teaching religion. 

I will agree that the academic study of any religion is OK. But when you have classes in how to become your own shaman and arrange your room/house according to the teachings of a certain shamanistic religion, then you are teaching that religion. Or how to focus or balance your spiritual/mystic center/soul/whatever eastern religion word through meditation and ritualistic postures - that too is teaching religion.

(settles back to wait for the next round of evasions and diversions)

[Dixie Dude]

When the founding fathers talked of "state" religions, they were talking about the Catholic church being the only religion reckognised by the state, such as Spain, Italy, Portugal, France, etc.  Or the Lutherin church in Germany or the Scandinavian countries.  Or the Church of England.  Or Islam in Muslim countries.  They gave us FREEDOM OF RELIGION, not FREEDOM FROM RELIGION.  Baptists, Methodists, Puritians, etc, were persecuted in Europe, so they came here.  A Christian flag does not estabilish a state religion, nor does a nativity scene on government property at Christmas.  Nor a cross in a cemetary. 

[subdjoe]

When the founding fathers talked of "state" religions, they were talking about the Catholic church being the only religion reckognised by the state, such as Spain, Italy, Portugal, France, etc.  Or the Lutherin church in Germany or the Scandinavian countries.  Or the Church of England.  Or Islam in Muslim countries.  They gave us FREEDOM OF RELIGION, not FREEDOM FROM RELIGION.  Baptists, Methodists, Puritians, etc, were persecuted in Europe, so they came here.  A Christian flag does not estabilish a state religion, nor does a nativity scene on government property at Christmas.  Nor a cross in a cemetary. 

Wow!  You seem to understand the establishment clause, so you must be a teabagging racist, misogynist, homophobe cowering in a corner while clinging to your guns and Bible.

[powderman]

When the founding fathers talked of "state" religions, they were talking about the Catholic church being the only religion reckognised by the state, such as Spain, Italy, Portugal, France, etc.  Or the Lutherin church in Germany or the Scandinavian countries.  Or the Church of England.  Or Islam in Muslim countries.  They gave us FREEDOM OF RELIGION, not FREEDOM FROM RELIGION.  Baptists, Methodists, Puritians, etc, were persecuted in Europe, so they came here.  A Christian flag does not estabilish a state religion, nor does a nativity scene on government property at Christmas.  Nor a cross in a cemetary. 

Wow!  You seem to understand the establishment clause, so you must be a teabagging racist, misogynist, homophobe cowering in a corner while clinging to your guns and Bible.

HEH, I reckon thats me too. POWDERMAN. 

[SHOOTALL]

if a Wiccan decides that they want to fly a Pentagram flag there then you'll have no recourse to stop them without taking them all back down.



Like islam, wicca is a Godless cult, not a religion. POWDERMAN. 

If anyone flys a flag in a park so be it . If they fly it on a govt. building then no.
Our own laws will be our undoing if we allow ourselves to be of knee jerk actions. I for one like others to be public it discloses their strength . We better look around and clean up our act .