RIFLE AMMO CHOICES???

[Merle]

HALT
FULL STOP!
I did NOT say all 22 LR were interchangeable at 25 Yards.
I understand that changing speeds, bullets weights, and designs will move bullets all over the target.
WHAT I said was.  I did not see a difference in standard velocity impact with the same bullet design.  The cheap Bulk box of Remington or Winchester or Federal 36 or 40 grain bullets when comparing the hollow points to other hollow points and 40 grain lead dome to other 40 lead domes reguarless of coatings or lubes on the outside. 
Trust me I have purchased EVERY 22 round out there and tried all of them.
I used to take the 100 round trays from CCI and stick 10 of each type of bullet in them from Stingers to the 42 grain Winchester Sillohuette loads and try all of them in order when I got a new 22.  Up until a few years a go I still did the same thing replacing the long gone 42 grain WW sillohuette round with the Aguilla 60 grain SSS round.
I have tried every round for accuracy as well as effects on various items on the range from water mellons to potatos to see what will work for what I want in terms of function in the gun or dependability.  And out of every rifle and handgun I have owned from the tiny Walther TPH to my 10/22T.
So far I have found that about 3% of the Remington ammo will fail to fire (mover the rim to another spot and it goes Bang)
about 2% of the Winchester will fail.
I have not had any CCI or Aguilla stuff fail.  I so far have not had any federal, RWS, Eiley, or Wolf but I do not shoot enough of it to call it.

Nor did I say that you claimed all 22 LR's were interchangable at 25 yards & try to compare standard velocity to high speed hollow points. The LAST test was various high speed hollow points against each other.

Previously I had tested all available standard velocity, target or match grade round nose solids or truncated cones against the others in the same catagory. In other words it was apples against apples.

Even so, I still got significant differences in POI and group size when similar loads were compared at 25 yards. The differences at 50 or 100 yards were far more severe, as you can imagine.

I also noted some differences between bulk pack and 50 or 100 round boxes of the same brand.
That's not a surprise, considering the cost difference, but I tried them anyhow. My 10" TC Contender shoots RP Thunderbolt almost a well as match grade, out to 50 yards. I used it for years in IHMSA & saved quite a few bucks that way.

I stand by my original statement: not all 22LR's are interchangable at 25 yds, even within load types.

[Merle]

Hey mcwoodduck;  when I read that part about Aquilla Sniper SubSonic 60 grain.  I had to search my ammo stock, and sure-nuf I found a partial box.  I thought the Remington Thunderbolts were the sorriest round for my rifles until I tried the SSS.   Those things not only couldn't hold a pattern, they would even keyhole the paper.  Those were my 1st experience with sub sonics.   It was awhile before I went that route again.  But Eley, RWS, and Winchester changed my mind.  I stuck with Winchester because they are about $5 cheaper per box of 50 than the other two brands.
4B

If my memory serves correctly, the Aquila SSS advertised that they might need a non-standard twist to stabilize them, or words to that effect. I never bothered to try them for that reason.

    

[williamlayton]

I went to the range yesterday and took Remington Thunderbolts, Federal Lightnings, CCI M/M HP's ans CCI M/M RN.
First, a disclosure. My shooting of 22's stinks. I am having to relearn a lot of things forgotten and MY EYES can't see.
Really, I was plesantly suprised---not happy but there is still hope.
Thunderbolts are horrible. Called my credit card company and authorized them to cancel my account if I ever bought another Box.
The Federal Lightnings were not all that bad---need to do some more shooting.
The quandry two were the CCI's---H/P's and RN.
The HP's shot better groups thanthe RN.
I seem to remember, from much younger days, that the HP's were less accurate than RN's.
Blessings

[Keith L]

In some guns I have had trouble with the HPs feeding.  I haven't noticed an accuracy problem.  In fact I have seen the same thing you noticed. HPs seem more accurate.

[bubbinator]

Let me set a factor- I got a deal from a former agt(ret) whose grand daughter dragged a rifle out of a closet.  Granny made him dump a 70 yr.collection of LEO/Pistol team stuff.  I sold some guns for him but got all the ammo free.  CAse of 45+, case of 223+, 7K+ 22LR!  Some stuff marked $1. a box!, a full case of WW 22LR rnl 40gr.  My own stash had Rem Golden Hornets?, Fed 550 rd 36gr. hps, CCI velocitors, and a box or 2 of CCI 32gr. Stingers. I have a Rem 552, Ruger 10-22,  Ruger Charger, Walther P22, S&W M17 6", Berreta M21, and an old bolt action 22 from my wife's Dad that is God knows how old.
The very high speed stuff is great for commercials, but it is not accurate in any 22 I own! The Stingers blewthe 552s floorplate out due a "fire out of battery" malfunction. Never tried that round again !  THe Beretta M21 will feed ONLY Rem 22 Thunderbolt Truncated cone Highspeed HPs. Everything else will feed fine will all ammo. The Ruger 10-22 has a Green Mountian HB Conversion that got close to .5" groups w CCI MiniMag HPs. I got a couple boxes of Subsonic 22lrs to work on a cutomers supressed Ruger 10-22.  I started checking all my 22s with it and itbeat the accuracy in every rifle/pistol it tried. Both CCI and Rem HPs did very well.  The CCI HPs have larger cavity. Note as above: Beretta M21 only did the load indicated.

[FourBee]

  Posted by: bubbinator 
-   The very high speed stuff is great for commercials, but it is not accurate in any 22 I own!

Nor mine.   Close range shots with those high speed ammos aren't so much a problem.  But you really begin to notice the point of impact opening up as the distance to target increases.   I prefer a ammo that is predictable from 10 yards to 100 yards.  Federal's bulk ammo, (used to be called Federal Lightning), does this and is inexpensive.   The quiet ammo, as I've stated earlier (Winchester SubSonics) is highly accurate.

[FourBee]

UP-DATE on Subsonic's and Coyotes..........
Just got to bed and my son calls, all excited.   Ever since he borrowed my gun the coyotes had vanished.  Then tonight the night air light up with coyote howls from the field behind his house.   He and a friend that was visiting grabbed flashlight and .22 on the way outside.   As they scanned the field with the flashlight, eyes glowed everywhere.  At 20 yards by his shed lay two unconcerned yotes.  My son tried to scope them, but the flashlight was fading fast.  By the time they retrieved another light the yotes gengerly move off to a knoll about 80 yards, and one sat on top of the knoll.   The boys then jumped into his jeep and began closing off the distance to near 50 yards when the yote stood up.  Stopping the jeep my son opened the door and scoped the yote as it started to move again.  His friend then whistled at the yote and it stopped again.  The crosshairs were set between the yotes ear and eye.  Poop !  the report of the subsonic in the dead of night was so low it stunned both men as the yotes front end dropped to the ground like a rock.   The boys sat there in awe as the yotes rear end was still standing.   Then it began pushing itself off the knoll unable to get its head completely up off the ground.   Just then 2 other yotes came into the lights just to one side, and the boys turned to get a shot, but the yotes kept just out of range until the boys lost them.   Circling back to the knoll they couldn't find the downed yote and decide to wait till daylight and search again.   All in all they were quite pleased with this quiet little bullet.