Is the U.S. a failing state?

[SHOOTALL]

When **** hits the fan, your gold, silver etc won't buy you food or clothing. Store up on those and get as many handtools as you can get for what needs doing in your place.

So how many wheel weights do ya add to a pound of gold so ya don't need gas checks ? 

[Oldshooter]

....Now Obama is finishing us off. 

Nope, he's just desperately trying to rescue us from eight years of GWB.

YEA Right! 

[DDZ]

....Now Obama is finishing us off. 

Nope, he's just desperately trying to rescue us from eight years of GWB.

Now that is funny. Was this meant to be a joke Junior, or do you believe that Obama is really saving the country? 

[BBF]

Shootall:
 If you got a silver mine on your property you don't have to worry about the bullet mix, BTW, you do need a mask and a white( Palomino) horse to go with that mine

[Junior1942]

....Now Obama is finishing us off. 

Nope, he's just desperately trying to rescue us from eight years of GWB.

Now that is funny. Was this meant to be a joke Junior, or do you believe that Obama is really saving the country? 

Funny? Were you in a coma during 2008?  At the height of the financial crisis in circa October, 2008, this country was on the verge of Great Depression #2.  Maybe you think another depression is good???  Perhaps you're a Social Darwinist??

[billy_56081]

Of course we are a failing country, the parasites are starting to outnumber the producers. I don't just mean the welfare parasites I mean also the people who work in jobs that produce NOTHING of value. It seems to me the liberal either gravitate to either welfare or some NONPRODUCING parasitic job. The one good thing about if our society fails is that the liberals wil be the first to starve off as they have no useful skills or ambition.

I am looking forward to the collapse myself.

[teamnelson]

....Now Obama is finishing us off. 

Nope, he's just desperately trying to rescue us from eight years of GWB.

Now that is funny. Was this meant to be a joke Junior, or do you believe that Obama is really saving the country? 

Funny? Were you in a coma during 2008?  At the height of the financial crisis in circa October, 2008, this country was on the verge of Great Depression #2.  Maybe you think another depression is good???  Perhaps you're a Social Darwinist??

Junior, even the most optimistic economists have difficulty associating anything Obama has done as productive for the economy. While GWB ran up a good deficit, Obama will push us to 20 trillion just with what he's talked about so far, making GWB a rank amateur. What would be refreshing for a change is to frankly acknowledge how Obama has actually made things worse, on top of what GWB did, and look beyond the scope of partisanship for a solution. Your new here so we don't have enough posts yet to figure where you stand, so perhaps you could offer something larger than its all Bush's fault - we've heard that enough already and its not fixing things.

Thanks, Chaps

[Junior1942]

>Junior, even the most optimistic economists have difficulty associating anything Obama has done as productive for the economy.

Almost all NON-BIASED economists believe Obama's bailouts and stimulus saved the US from another Great Depression.

By the way, they're GWB's bailouts, not Obama's.  He just continued what Bush started.  The entire Chrysler bailout, for example, happened under Bush's watch.

[slim rem 7]

in time we ll all know..all freedom loving people can do is hope ,pray an vote..
 jesus talked to his deciples about the time we are racing toward..this, shortly before he
did what he came to earth to do..
 let the worldly wise scoff at this all they want to..
 now,, lest i  present myself to know the mind of god and his timetable..i know i surely don t.. let time tell the tale.
 live each day of freedom as if its the gift,, it is.god bless

[DDZ]

Junior, I have never said that I thought Bush's policies were good for the country, and no I'm far from a Social Darwinist. No, I don't think a depression is good. No I don't think we were close to a depression at the end of 08,  and no I have never been in a coma. I'm not going to debate what Bush did right, or what he did wrong.
In your post you stated that He (Obama) was desperately trying to rescue us from eight years of GWB. All I asked was if it was a joke, or if you truly meant what you said. If you did mean it, could you please educate me on what Obama is doing, or trying to do to better the country, because I'm having a difficult time seeing anything the man has done to better this nation. Its just a simple question that you avoided. Instead you asked me questions. I have answered your questions, so please answer mine.

[teamnelson]

>Junior, even the most optimistic economists have difficulty associating anything Obama has done as productive for the economy.

Almost all NON-BIASED economists believe Obama's bailouts and stimulus saved the US from another Great Depression.

By the way, they're GWB's bailouts, not Obama's.  He just continued what Bush started.  The entire Chrysler bailout, for example, happened under Bush's watch.

So if you don't like what they say they're biased? How many economists have you considered, I.e. What is the size of your sampling? And are any of them foreign? And anybody who's bread and butter is to build wealth has to set politics aside so I'm not talking about the economics professors at ivy league schools or on the political docket ... have you noticed all but one of Obamas advisors have quit, and the last would have trouble getting a job guarding the cash box at a lemonade stand.

Perhaps you've not read the foreign papers but the US is still in a depression despite the US medias attempt to say otherwise, just like there's still a war in Iraq despite the Presidents declaration to the contrary. If you say a lie often enough, people will begin to think it's true. Unemployment is still growing, the stimulus jobs were short term or public sector adding no wealth to the GDP. Foreclosures are about to jump again as those who barely survived the last wave expend their plan B. Inflation is at 4% already. And businesses are sitting on cash for fear of what Obama might do next. No, those who care more about money than politics aren't impressed with Obamas track record and hes past the point of blaming it all on Bush.

And in fact Obamas policies mirror those of autocrats in other failed state scenarios who seek to force the people to trust their government to save them instead of trusting themselves.

[Junior1942]

. . . please educate me on what Obama is doing, or trying to do to better the country, because I'm having a difficult time seeing anything the man has done to better this nation. Its just a simple question that you avoided. Instead you asked me questions. I have answered your questions, so please answer mine.

#1: Obama kept us out of a new Great Depression;

#2: Obama is doing his best to get us universal health care like the rest of the industrialized world.

#3: The religious right no longer has a direct line to the Oval Office.

[teamnelson]

Oh, ok then. My bad.

[DDZ]

. . . please educate me on what Obama is doing, or trying to do to better the country, because I'm having a difficult time seeing anything the man has done to better this nation. Its just a simple question that you avoided. Instead you asked me questions. I have answered your questions, so please answer mine.

#1: Obama kept us out of a new Great Depression;

#2: Obama is doing his best to get us universal health care like the rest of the industrialized world.

#3: The religious right no longer has a direct line to the Oval Office.

#1 How?

#2 So you think Government run health care is better than people choosing for themselves.

#3 When ever did the religious right have a direct line to the oval office?

Thanks for your answers Junior. Now I know what side of the line you are on.    

[Junior1942]

>#1 How?

Read something besides right wing spin.

>#2 So you think Government run health care is better than people choosing for themselves.

Get back with me about your health insurance three years after you or a family member get treated for heart disease, cancer, or diabetes.  Unless you have .gov insurance of some kind, you'll either not have insurance or pay 5x as much as you pay now. 

>#3 When ever did the religious right have a direct line to the oval office?

The entire eight years GWB was in office.

[Range Rider]

Its just a matter of givers and takers.  I worked 40 years and retired with health insurance.  I still pay income taxes.  I will be forced to pay income taxes on my heath insurance that I worked 40 years to earn for my wife and I.  The reason I will be punished for working and earning a better life is to take care of the takers in this country.  The takers sat on their collective butts while the rest of us went to work every day. Now the bums are old and sick and they want what the rest of us saved and worked for.  They love the socialist agende of the far left ike OBama and OBiden.  It is a break for the bums who did not save or plan for the aging process.  Take care of yourself don't ask others to share their income and when they don't condem chiristians for be being phoney.  Its a hard world and even harder when you are lazy.

RR

[beerbelly]

Junior. Have you ever had a job?

[Junior1942]

Junior. Have you ever had a job?

No, I've been on the dole since birth.  Ask a stupid question and get a stupid answer.  I've probably paid more taxes in my 67 11/12 years of life than you'll ever pay.   I'm still working and paying taxes.  And I begrudge every penny of my taxes which buys limos for oil company executives and Cadillacs for the wives of wealthy farmers.

[Tommyt]

#1: Obama kept us out of a new Great Depression;

#2: Obama is doing his best to get us universal health care like the rest of the industrialized world.

#3: The religious right no longer has a direct line to the Oval Office.

J R
 As was said you are new Here so no one Knows where you stand so I'd like to tell you something
That works for all of us
If you going to Spout off about bHussein Obama or anything else includin GWB
Back your Mouth with a Link to Proof
Or you will Fall into the Category of Troll
Its your Choice and I just gave you a Good way to Help your self out

Tommyt

[Junior1942]

#1: Obama kept us out of a new Great Depression;

#2: Obama is doing his best to get us universal health care like the rest of the industrialized world.

#3: The religious right no longer has a direct line to the Oval Office.

J R
 As was said you are new Here so no one Knows where you stand so I'd like to tell you something
That works for all of us
If you going to Spout off about bHussein Obama or anything else includin GWB
Back your Mouth with a Link to Proof
Or you will Fall into the Category of Troll
Its your Choice and I just gave you a Good way to Help your self out

Tommyt

Proof? Read your local newspaper!  Question: is it ok here to spout lie after lie about Obama in particular and Democrats in general, and it is not ok to tell the truth?  Many Democrats are pro-gun and pro-hunting!  Many Republicans are anti-gun and anti-hunting!  Did not your own revered GWB say he would sign an assault weapons ban?

PS: If you think a Democrat member is a troll I suggest you put him and any other Democrat members on ignore.

[Oldshooter]

Junior. Have you ever had a job?

No, I've been on the dole since birth.  Ask a stupid question and get a stupid answer.  I've probably paid more taxes in my 67 11/12 years of life than you'll ever pay.   I'm still working and paying taxes.  And I begrudge every penny of my taxes which buys limos for oil company executives and Cadillacs for the wives of wealthy farmers.

Kinda into paying for kobe beef and vacations to spain for Democratic folk though , right?   

And how do ya feel about redistribution?

[Tommyt]

Its your Choice and I just gave you a Good way to Help your self out
Tommyt

Proof? Read your local newspaper!  Question: is it OK here to spout lie after lie about Obama in particular and Democrats in general, and it is not OK to tell the truth?  Many Democrats are pro-gun and pro-hunting!  Many Republicans are anti-gun and anti-hunting!  Did not your own revered GWB say he would sign an assault weapons ban?

PS: If you think a Democrat member is a troll I suggest you put him and any other Democrat members on ignore.

I suggest you put him and any other Democrat members on ignore

 I Don't use the Queer Button

JR

Proof? Read your local newspaper!

like I said Back it with a Link this is Not a Phone call or round Table, its the www.


JR

Question: is it OK here to spout lie after lie about Obama in particular and Democrats in general,

NO it is NOT OK
Thats why I /we Back what he /They Don't do or Mess up
with a Link to it
Show me the Posted lies or False Links  

Your getting your draws in a Wad
because I asked you Nicely to Post Links of the Guy you speak so Highly of
Or the other Guy You feel is at Fault
 So you Know this
I will Not Resign to a Peeingcontest on this post or any other
If you can't link it, its Useless
and a good Ploy(Dem Talk) is to Change the Subject

The US is Failing and I say bHussein is Not Helping at all
He Lied from the Get Go
The Only CHANGE was How Much Money He Threw away

You can Find at the National Debt Clock


THIS IS A LINK http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
 http://www.usdebtclock.org/#

If you are ? a USA Voting citizen your Country is in DEBT ....write you Pal in DC and Let him Know you may help him with a Update
VIA- A- LINK
Here is some good reading for you IN THE LINK
http://newsflavor.com/opinions/white-house-insider-on-obama-the-president-is-losing-it/

I'm done responding to your Posts as I feel your intent is Troll /Pot Stir-er


Tommyt

[billy_56081]

The good thing about the coming collapse is the parasites will be the first to die. It will make us a leaner healthier country to be rid of them. Heck maybe they can be useful we can use them as fertilizer.

[teamnelson]

Well Billy, a little adversity is good for the health I'd agree.

This little dialogue with Junior proves a marketing theory - if you spend enough money and enough time and repeat it often enough, you can make folks believe a lie. Case in point, Mercedes has spent a lot on their brand to ensure we all believe that they have the highest resale value of any car maker. The fact was for a long while Cadillac actually had the highest resale value, as documented in countless reports, statistics, from multiple sources around the globe. So Cadillac spent $100 million to try to get the truth out, but it was too late ... Mercedes had already convinced us all of the lie.

Me, I take note that liberals are distancing themselves from O's policies, and in fact are running on platforms that emphasize when they disagreed with his economic policies, his healthcare policies, and even his deference to Islam. His advisors are quitting, his rapport with military leadership is failing, he's lost the support of the gay voting block. This isn't spin - this is printed in liberal news sources. And then I read articles from Europe laughing at us failing to learn from their mistakes, specifically social medicine and economics, which they are watching implode in their face and the future leadership is hoping to swing back to free markets. And then I read Asian articles where China won't buy anymore of our T-Bills, and only is holding onto the ones they have as political leverage to negotiate the purchase of vast tracts of lands and property in the US, reduced tariffs, and less restrictions in pacific military regions. Taiwan and South Korea are nervous - North Korea is emboldened. Ahmenijad regards Obama as the persian equivalent of a lawn jockey. All this I got from somewhere other than Fox or CNN, from socialist and even communist news agencies, as well as liberal media.

So yeah, forgive me if I remain skeptical of Obama's self-proclaimed success.

[Range Rider]

The one thing that OBama and OBiden has done well at is pushing up the price of gold.  They have printed so much money and run up so much debt that gold is going sky high.  When these idiots took office gold was around $830 now it over $1,200.  The American dollar is fast becoming a dead beat buck on the world market.  The American dollar has been the international rate of exchange for decades.  Those of you who complain about high oil prices take note.  It is not the oil companies that are running up the cost its the low value of the U.S. doller.  It now takes more devalued dollars to buy anything on the world market.  The Yen is taking over the power our proud U.S. dollar once had.  Thanks to the Socialist in the U.S. and those who elect them we are now behind China.

RR

[MGMorden]

The Yen is taking over the power our proud U.S. dollar once had.  Thanks to the Socialist in the U.S. and those who elect them we are now behind China.

The Yen is Japan's currency.  China's is the Yuan .

Our money has been in the toilet for a long time though.  The British Pound has long outvalued the US dollar.  The Euro surpassed the US dollar shortly after it was introduced.  In that particular metric we're a lot further down the pole than #2.

[williamlayton]

I am going to take the high road here.
Failing can mean that we are in a ebb.
I think this nation has cried for a fiscal cleansing for a number of years.
We have stayed this cleansing by wars and the M/I complex.
I think it will be a good thing to be purged and get back to a more simple lifestyle----it is gonna hurt---but like momma said about the castor oil--it will make you feel better.
Blessings

[Ron 1]

The good thing about the coming collapse is the parasites will be the first to die. It will make us a leaner healthier country to be rid of them. Heck maybe they can be useful we can use them as fertilizer.

??or will they be the first to rob or harm our families???
just a thought!!
         rw

[BBF]

The good thing about the coming collapse is the parasites will be the first to die. It will make us a leaner healthier country to be rid of them. Heck maybe they can be useful we can use them as fertilizer.

??or will they be the first to rob or harm our families???
just a thought!!
         rw

Those that are mobile enough to get off their fat/lazy a$$es would certainly try.

[billy_56081]

The good thing about the coming collapse is the parasites will be the first to die. It will make us a leaner healthier country to be rid of them. Heck maybe they can be useful we can use them as fertilizer.

??or will they be the first to rob or harm our families???
just a thought!!
         rw

Those that are mobile enough to get off their fat/lazy a$$es would certainly try.

I think most of them will become a good source of fertilizer.