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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #60 on: October 18, 2010, 10:48:54 AM »
We can change our govt. leaders every 4-6 years depending on office even with out term limits . If it fails its us !
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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #61 on: October 18, 2010, 01:13:32 PM »
Shootall, your certainly right in the 4-6 year change over. I just hope and pray that it's not to late. But the way things look, I'm afraid it's already over the edge. I know I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. Banks are looking at over 100,000 reposesed home's that paperwork was done illegally. Middle East is still on the brink of a major war, and one thing goes wrong over there, you'll see gas price's skyrocket. That would send food price's and heating price's way up. I belive we're headed into an abyss, we just don't know how deep it is. gypsyman
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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #62 on: October 18, 2010, 06:40:00 PM »
I don't have to wait til something goes BOOM in the ME for gas prices going up. As of last Friday I'm paying $ 4.20 per gallon . :o >:(
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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #63 on: October 18, 2010, 09:00:03 PM »
I don't have to wait til something goes BOOM in the ME for gas prices going up. As of last Friday I'm paying $ 4.20 per gallon . :o >:(

Yikes.  I will say that we tend to luck out down here.  As of last week near Columbia I was getting $2.67 per gallon.  Granted, that's a far cry for the sub $1 per gallon prices we were paying just 10 years ago, but I don't think those days are ever coming back.

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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #64 on: October 19, 2010, 03:20:34 AM »
WOW, my thought exactly. I thought $2.75 was bad last time I filled up. gypsyman
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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #65 on: October 19, 2010, 04:38:54 AM »
Actually, the voters of this country can pretty much change the government every two years.  The members of the House of Representatives stand election every two years.  The House is where all the money the government spends is conceived.  If the House doesn't move on it, it doesn't happen.

This is why I'm having a problem figuring out just how George Bush is to blame for our economic problems, when he had a Dumocrat House for the last two years of his administration.  Obama has also had a Dumocrat House so what's the difference?  The difference is that Obama's Dumocrat House has done his bidding, whereas GWB was unable to get the House to do much of anything.

The President can only advocate and sign legislation, or veto it.  Bush probably should have used the veto pen, but he then would have to take the responsibility for shutting down the government.  That usually doesn't work too well--especially in the middle of a couple of wars.

This country's only hope is that the people have had enough of the Dumocrats headlong rush into socialism and maybe they'll see fit to change the complexion of the House.  That won't cure everything, but it would be a good start.
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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #66 on: October 19, 2010, 05:09:35 AM »
We are not a failing state we are a failed state. We have half, maybe more than half the people on some form of government assistance. We can never come back from that!
  With all the immigration, legal and illegal it will get much worse!
   You are watching the USA slowly die!
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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #67 on: October 19, 2010, 10:22:10 AM »
We are not a failing state we are a failed state. We have half, maybe more than half the people on some form of government assistance. We can never come back from that!
  With all the immigration, legal and illegal it will get much worse!
   You are watching the USA slowly die!
We have sent all our wealth creating  manufacturing over seas because of osha and the EPA. With no way to produce wealth , the welfare scum will bleed us to death.
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more proof that if you read enough posts of a person, eventually you will find something you can agree on with that person.   

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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #68 on: October 19, 2010, 11:33:18 AM »
BB Ain't that the truth !
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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #69 on: October 19, 2010, 11:34:42 AM »
I don't have to wait til something goes BOOM in the ME for gas prices going up. As of last Friday I'm paying $ 4.20 per gallon . :o >:(
OUCH!  :o :( :-[ I thought it was bad at just under $3.00/gallon.     Where abouts are you with that kind of markup?  
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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #70 on: October 21, 2010, 06:43:59 PM »
Nova Scotia.

There is not a fraction of a penny difference between any gas pumps within miles from here. So much for competition >:(
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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #71 on: October 22, 2010, 01:52:03 AM »
Nova Scotia.

There is not a fraction of a penny difference between any gas pumps within miles from here. So much for competition >:(

How much of that $4.20 is taxes to pay for your "free" health care?

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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #72 on: October 22, 2010, 04:59:57 AM »
How much of that $4.20 is taxes to pay for your "free" health care?

We're on the internet.  You can always look up stuff like this :).

In US$ per gallon (converted over from CAN$ per liter) total taxes for fuel in Nova Scotia are $1.44 per gallon.   $0.23 of that goes to the Canadian federal government (the rest goes to the provincial government) of which $0.09 are avail to the general fund.  The other $0.14 are reserved for infrastructure/road improvements.

From what I can see it says the provincial funds are "mostly" used to fund infrastructure as well, with some going directly to local municipalities. 

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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #73 on: October 22, 2010, 01:46:28 PM »
How much of that $4.20 is taxes to pay for your "free" health care?

We're on the internet.  You can always look up stuff like this :).

 

Or I can go ahead and go to work and let you look it up for me. :-*

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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #74 on: October 22, 2010, 04:53:27 PM »
Nova Scotia.

There is not a fraction of a penny difference between any gas pumps within miles from here. So much for competition >:(

How much of that $4.20 is taxes to pay for your "free" health care?

I don't know.

The Provinces fund a good part of the Health Cost in different ways. It could be incorporated in the Income tax and you don't see any paperwork on it, or as an  seperate graduated add-to the income tax  or a seperate user fee altogether. The Feds kick in some funds as well.
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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #75 on: October 24, 2010, 12:18:55 PM »
TM7

Pierre Elliot the Socialist saw to it that Canada adopted the metric system many years ago.
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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #76 on: October 25, 2010, 01:45:09 PM »
The Fund for Peace lists the US as Moderate on the Failed State Index, a step below stable. Their criterion for categorization are as follows; I enboldened a few that might apply to us.

Social Indicators
 I-1.  Mounting Demographic Pressures
 I-2.  Massive Movement of Refugees or Internally Displaced Persons creating Complex Humanitarian Emergencies with 12 million + illegal immigrants, we qualify.
 I-3.  Legacy of Vengeance-Seeking Group Grievance or Group Paranoia we call this politics
 I-4.  Chronic and Sustained Human Flight

            Economic Indicators
 I-5.  Uneven Economic Development along Group Lines
 I-6.  Sharp and/or Severe Economic Decline

            Political Indicators all of the following have been alleged to occur in the US by somebody in recent history.

I-7.  Criminalization and/or Delegitimization of the State
 I-8.  Progressive Deterioration of Public Services
 I-9.  Suspension or Arbitrary Application of the Rule of Law and Widespread Violation of Human Rights
 I-10. Security Apparatus Operates as a "State Within a State"
 I-11. Rise of Factionalized Elites
 I-12. Intervention of Other States or External Political Actors


BTW, France just rose, while Sudan and Somalia fell on the Foreign Policy Failed State Index. France's change was due to recent violent riots over labor laws extending the retirement age past 55.
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Re: Is the U.S. a failing state?
« Reply #77 on: October 25, 2010, 04:35:01 PM »
TM7
Yep, we went the whole metric route.
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