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« on: December 08, 2003, 11:14:33 AM »
What do I need, brand included, to get started in reloading rifle cartridges?

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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2003, 11:20:41 AM »
1. Need a good reloading manual
2. Need to know what components you will be using case, primer, powder, points.
3. A very good scale
4. Any basic kit Lee, RCBS, Lyman
5. Good set of dies
6. Lee Factory Crimp Die.
7. Good case lube.
8. Vibrating Case cleaner and media.
9. Basic Case pre-tools, primer pocket cleaner, champher, neck brushes.
10. Good solid work bench
11. Powder manuals
12 Some would say velocity meter

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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2003, 11:41:49 AM »
The RCBS Turret Kit (you will be very glad you did)
A reloading manual of the bullets you will be loading.  The RCBS comes with the Speer book.
Brass, powder, primers and bullets that you are interested in. Get the powder after ckng out the reloading manuals.
Case trimmer
Dies for the calibers you are going to reload
Tumbler and Media (brass polish is very nice) But not necessary to start.
Caliper
Time to visit this site, cuz you will have questions.

You will be all set here . . . to start.  When you have reloaded for a few months you will probably add a few more things

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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2003, 11:59:02 AM »
Ok, I've saved every round of brass that I've ever fired, save one or two.  I plan to reload a 25-06 Rem and 7mm Mag.  I hope to, eventually, load a 6mm-06 AI (my main reason for wanting to reload).  When I was younger I had some experience with reloading shotshells, so I at least know the basic premise.  Anywho, I think that I'll grab one of the kits after christmas, along with a set 25-06 dies, and then proceed to bug the heck out of you guys. :wink:

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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2003, 12:11:01 PM »
PA and I would give you almost the same list, except I'd tell you you needed at least two manuals,  and I'd have let you trade in the crimp die to get one of them, but that's one of those preference things.  
Since you ask for brand names, the first purchase I'd make if I were starting over would be the Lyman reloading manual.  Lots of information!!
It kinda depends on what your goals are, but I will always recommend a good single stage press and there are none better than RCBS, maybe many as good, but I know of none better.
My next step would be to figure what I was going to do with my newly remanufactured ammo, target, plink, hunt, if hunt, what are you going to hunt with it?  Then I'd pick a bullet to meet the purpose.  I'd probably, at that point, consider making the bullet manufacturer my second choice in loading manual.  Many of the manuals will give a potentially most accurate load, compare those two manuals and see what powder pop's up most.  That would my first powder choice.  Then if you're like me, you'll probably want the powder manufacturer's loading manual.  Now you can compare all three, somewhere in there there is going to be an indication of what combination seems to work best. That would be my starting place.
The only dies I've ever used were RCBS, Hornady and Lee, just because that's what I could get locally. Not much difference, but I seem to ask for RCBS first.
A GOOD balance beam scale is worth it's weight in gold. 500grain minimum with .1 grain graduations.  Digital are neat but some seem to encounter a few "quirks" with them and they are somewhat expensive.  Some people don't use a powder trickeler, I find I use mine a lot.  You can reload with nothing but press, die and scale but there are a few things that make the process a lot simpler.  Case prep tools for cleaning, chamfering and deburing tool, flashhole unifoming tool, vibratory cleaner is great if you have one but not indespensible, (mine died last week and I DO miss it already!).  One tool I'd HIGHLY recomend is the LEE AUTO-PRIME, it's inexpensive, easy to use, and I think, does a much more uniform job of priming.  A powder measure speeds things up considerably, but you could dip if you had to.
It gets to be habit forming, almost as bad as shooting, and the list of things just keeps getting longer, so I hope you're prepared for that.
My first reloaded bullet was done with a coffee cup of powder, box of primers, box of bullets, Lee Loader and a plastic mallet.  I don't think I'd have been any happier shooting my own bullets if they were all X's at 970 yards.
It's also a wonderful excuse to get more guns, cause when you can get your loads to all go into the same hole, what's the point of playing with that one anymore!! :-D
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2003, 04:35:49 PM »
You have received much good information from these posts.  I would just like to plant a few seeds so to speak as you start up.  Please avoid load advice from others especially on the net and especially until you feel you know your weapons and loads.  Each barrel will take a load differently.  Buy the manuals they are cheap enough, buy a few.  There are many who think that the end goal of any load is the highest velocity to gain accuracy.  You will learn for yourself that that is most times not the case.   one must gain respect for our hobby ie.  hazards and safe habits.  You need to spend  some time learning safe habits as you ponder components selection.  I stongly recomend getting a copy of Nonte's Modern Handloading it is out of print and may be in your library or found cheaply on ebay.  Buy the lee manual as well, lots of solid basic info.  Some scorn the load data but that is opinion I think.   Before you dig into the effort of loading, come back and hail us again for a list of safety bromides such as never have more than one can of powder out and in use at one time.  Only stand a cartridge up once it has been charged with powder.  We all have bullet pullers and we have used them.  Welcome to a great hobby and best of luck,  JB

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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2003, 05:08:39 PM »
Thanks for the advice, JB.  I have heard that about not trusting load data from the net, and I plan head your and others advice to avoid it.  I'll grab every manual that I can afford.  I'm mainly a hunter (deer), although I do like to hit the range at every possible chance.  Through reloading I hope to not only gain a better knowledge of shotting and safety, but I feel that it will help me to understand my weapons on a much more personal level.  Sort of like tieing your own rigs and pouring your own jig heads in fishing.  I'm fired up about it, that's for dang sure!

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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2003, 10:21:31 AM »
It looks like I'm going to grab a Lee Anniversery kit.  I'm sure that as I get into it more I will upgrade, but for now I can swing the $80 for the kit and the manual.  In addition to what's included in the kit, what do I need to get started.  I need seperate the "necessities" from the "nice to haves".  My guess is a set of dies, a shellholder and some sort of case length guage.  Is that it?

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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2003, 11:07:36 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2003, 06:00:26 PM »
The Lee kit will get you going and it is capable of building very accurate ammo.  Since you have brass that was fired from your rifles and knowing now what I did not know when I was at your stage of the game I would look into neck sizing dies.  Since you do not have to buy new brass and full length resize I would look at them.  They cost a bit more but look at the fact that you have your brass supply and you will save there.  I now mainly neck size with my full length dies.  Pick up a good vernier caliper.  midway and others sell a good one for about $20.  It is a tool you will use most often.  The Lee case length trimmers and cutters that are hand held are cheap and work fine as do lee dies.  If you are on a budget buy the Lee shell holder assortment.  great value and you can buy their budget dies that come in the green case for a further savings.   The Lee press you have selected will last you a long time and if you later buy another you can use it as a dedicated decaper or some other function.  Since you will not be forming your own brass it has plenty of guts for what you need.  As for the powder measure I would weigh every 3rd load or less  to verify consistancy.  They work ok but verify often to be sure.  Keep good notes on your work.  change only one component at a time ie powder type volume, primer mfg and bullet.  Strive for consistancy in your motions even to how hard you pull the press handle or powder measure lever.  Have fun.  JB

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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2003, 11:57:58 PM »
The Lee dies I have came with shell holder, and you can get by without the case length guage for a while, if that would help.
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2003, 01:25:30 AM »
I would suggest that you get some hands-on instruction in addition to reading the tutorial sections of the manuals before you begin to purchace any gear.

If you don't know someone who reloads you can find instruction in your area by going to www.nra.org and www.reload-nrma.com. The NRMA website also has safety information and on-line demonstrations. Gun clubs and ranges are also good places to look for training.

Learning hands-on allows you to get an idea of how operations should feel, plus you get to use someone elses equipment and can therefore get a idea of what you like and don't like.

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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2003, 03:37:08 AM »
More good advice, fellows.  But this brings up a question, even if partially answered already, about dies.  Neck sizing and full case sizing was mentioned.  While it seems obvious, I'm a little confused here.  What is the difference?  It appears that since I'm using brass that has already been fired in my rifle, that neck sizing in the way to go.  A quick explanation of what it is would REALLY help.  

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2003, 04:36:08 PM »
There is a ton of info out there now just do search type in handloading or reloading and get ready to read if you want to save some cash look on e bay, gunbroker, auctionarms and just about every site has a board listing such items last good deal I got was 550 Hornady 154 gr 7mm bullets for 30 bucks and 6 shipping new in boxes the list goes on
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2003, 04:51:44 PM »
Neck sizing is as it sounds.  You only work the neck back to original dia.  You can achieve this with a full length die by not running the cartridge fully into the die and therefore full length sizing the case.  There are dies made, some use sleeves (Lyman) so that there is no material in the die to press the body back to original size.  The advantage is that the body of the shell will fit the chamber like a hand in a leather glove and it should hold the neck as centered as possible.  The case does not lengthen from working the brass very much.  The brass should last longer for neck sizing.  I would advise getting a set of full length dies since even if you get a neck sizing die at some point you will have to use a full length die to set the shoulder back as after repeated firings (6 or 8) the case will stretch some and have to be bumped back.  hope this helps.  JB

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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2003, 05:05:07 PM »
Neck sizing is as it sounds.  You only work the neck back to original dia.  You can achieve this with a full length die by not running the cartridge fully into the die and therefore full length sizing the case.  There are dies made, some use sleeves (Lyman) so that there is no material in the die to press the body back to original size.  The advantage is that the body of the shell will fit the chamber like a hand in a leather glove and it should hold the neck as centered as possible.  The case does not lengthen from working the brass very much.  The brass should last longer for neck sizing.  I would advise getting a set of full length dies since even if you get a neck sizing die at some point you will have to use a full length die to set the shoulder back as after repeated firings (6 or 8) the case will stretch some and have to be bumped back.  hope this helps.  JB