Author Topic: Which shotgun.. (Read 3952 times)

schoolmaster · « **on:** October 15, 2010, 03:04:32 PM »

would you chose for a stay at home, hunker down defense weapon? What ammo?

Almtnman · « **Reply #1 on:** October 15, 2010, 03:45:29 PM »

Scibaer · « **Reply #2 on:** October 15, 2010, 04:15:48 PM »

the Remmy 870 is my choice ... for all the same reasons almtnman listed why he chose the 500 . i chose the 870

woodchuckssuck · « **Reply #3 on:** October 15, 2010, 04:50:03 PM »

The NEF Pardner Protector that is in my gun cabinet. 5 rounds of 00 buck ready in the mag tube (empty chamber) and 5 1oz slugs on the buttstock. There is a shotshell waist belt with 25 mixed slugs and 00 buck. Of course, I have had the gun for a year almost and have yet to shoot it, but tomorrow I hope to take the clay launcher down and send some birdshot through it. I have no where to shoot buckshot

and I may throw a few slugs down the barrel at the 25yard line offhand if I get a chance.

If the attackers are...flying...I will grab my Winchester 1300 Sporting/Field as I can hit clays with that gun better than any other I have shot...

Though, to be honest, If I was protecting my home from riots or what not, I would grab my Ruger All-Weather Mini-14. Nothing like having 20 rounds at your disposal, with quick reloads and faster target acquisition after the shot. I can pack a few hundred rounds for the weight of 25 shotshells...though weight is not so much an issue if your staying at home

zeke08 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 15, 2010, 07:23:54 PM »

I have 2 a mossberg 20ga with 14" barrel youth stock with 2 3/4 00 buck shells easier for the wife to shoot. I have an old double barrel 12ga that's aaaaaah short like stage coach gun with 3" magnum 00 buck. I have 1 of my Glocks with in reach. The Mossberg has a surefire light just in case.

SwampThing762 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 16, 2010, 07:17:18 AM »

My vote goes to Mossberg 930 Autoloader with the Magazine extension and handloads with 1 ounce of #4 shot at 1200 fps. Accurate load, low recoil, quick follow up shots. And defense loads can also double as hunting loads.

ST762

Couger · « **Reply #6 on:** October 17, 2010, 03:49:55 AM »

My vote also goes to the M870 in both 12 and 20 gauge,

but any of the following are also good choices;

Remington M1100
Remington M11-87

Winchester M1200 / M1300 / M120

Ithaca M37

Browning BPS
Browning Auto-5

Mossberg M500
Mossberg M590

Benelli Nova
Benelli M1 & M2
Benelli Montefeltro / Legacy / etc.

don heath · « **Reply #7 on:** October 19, 2010, 09:36:32 PM »

I owned a mag 10 during the early stages of our 'dissident war'...it was a pig to carry and didn't hold enough ammo (to satisfy a teenager) so I sold it to an old coloured gentleman who ran the gold mine on the farm and bough a mossberg 500 with a 20" barrel.

1) I still have that shotgun (nearly 30 years later). It goes with me on all hunts and otherwise lives in the bedroom. I have never had a jamb with it except with a few brands of 3" with star crimp shellls. 3" roll crimp have never given me any trouble but some star crimp end up too long to eject smoothly after firing.

2) The old man who bought my mag 10 still has it and loves it. He was attacked by sundry terrorists and dissidents more than 50 times as he was a soft target and always had gold in the house. Being coloured he was too black for the white police reserve to risk rushing out at night to help and too white for the black regular army or police to care about so he was on his own in almost all the fights. That big pig threw enough No 2 (SSG) or No 4 buck to break up all attacks. His ideas on defensive fire (which worked for him and later served me very well) was never to fire more than 2 shots from any one possition so he really didn't care about the limited magazine capacity

don heath · « **Reply #8 on:** October 19, 2010, 09:47:56 PM »

cont...
3) Modern 3" 12g loads hold nearly as many pellets as 1970 & 80's vintage 10g and so many more loads are available for the 12g that I would never consider a 10.

4) I bought my wife a 20g hammer gun for home defence when we were dating. She had only ever fired a .22 before she met me and was not a gun nut but with the deteriorating situation in Zimbabwe she needed something. My Mother has always kept a loaded 10g hammer gan next to the bed - no mistakes, just thumb the hammers back...safe and simple so I got my wife the same but with more appropriate recoil. When she got more used to shooting I spashed out an bought her a Benneli M2 with surefire torch on the side and leupold mini red dot on top.

5) Favourite loads. Brenneke slugs are accurate enough for 150m shooting and kill much better than foster or sabot slugs. They are worth the money
I like No 2 buck (English SSG) as a good compromise between number of pellets and individual effectiveness- I appreciate this is an odd size in the USA. O buck (SpSG) patterns well out of any shotgun I have tried it in and just about any brand. Much better than OO buck (SG). LG (OOO) buck paterns better than OO buck but the 8 pelet load is too few for my liking if using the shotgun at extended ranges. No 4 buck (SSSG) is a bit light to me but is lethal at 150m...each pelet is effectively like a .22 short.

schoolmaster · « **Reply #9 on:** October 20, 2010, 03:17:19 AM »

OK guys thanks to all that replied. I am getting a good picture of what features a good defensive shotgun should have. I also have a pretty good idea of what ammo is most effective. I will look around and see what I can find. This is the last piece of my defensive battery to go along with my Glock 40 s&w and my match AR-15.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #10 on:** October 20, 2010, 03:39:18 AM »

Remington 870 12 ga police model with rifle sights and screw in mod choke ( yes you will need to add a rem choke) , also 7 round mag ext and side saddle shell holder and sling. Ghost ring sights are good also. Syn. stock and fore arm are good but get short fore arm so side saddle will work.
Ammo 00 buck , #4 buck and foster slugs . Now as an extra with the screw in choke tube you can get a rifled tube and shoot sabots. With a more open choke you can shoot birds and a more full for other critters. Which means you need some fine shot #5's are good for turkey and duck and can be used for rabbit and squrril along with ground hog and such. 7 1/2's are also useful. Some might like BB's also for geese. Depending on where you are and precived needs along with aval. game you can pick your ammo. One never knows what food will walk by .
For defense I would suggest standard length 2 3/4 shells as you will be less likely to short stroke in a panic situation.
Also the same set up in 20 is good .
On hand 250 buck shot and 50 slugs min. the rest 4-6 boxes each . Winchester ammo is sealed , some others may be also it is a plus for storage.

Scibaer · « **Reply #11 on:** October 20, 2010, 06:41:14 AM »

A few years ago, i owned a Mossberg 500A 12ga. it came with a 26in vent rib and its was a good gun, not great.
i eventually added all kinds of tactical accessories and a 20in barrel. it was a nice system.

then a buddy bought a new Remington 870 . to my eyes, it had a better and smoother action, stronger reciever, nicer fit and finish and swung and held with better balance. well i sold that Mossberg , and didnt have a 12 ga. for while. i did get a NEF 12 ga. but wanted that 870, so last year during gun season, they had them onsale, at dunhams.. the combo package , and i picked one up. it came with the laminate stocks and a 26 in vent rib and Rem choke. now im getting the accessories i want for it, and the barrels i will actually use. its a real complete hunting system

i have buddies with charles daly's , and you name it, even a spaz 12, pump/auto and i am really happy with how my 870 works and stands up in comparison, i cant ask for more.

Swift One · « **Reply #12 on:** October 20, 2010, 08:02:53 AM »

My main survival/defensive/offensive weapon is a Moss500 tactical turkey. Its compact, it has interchangable choke tubes, reliable, and deadly out to 100yds with 1oz rifled slugs. My ammo would be 2.75" #4 buck, 2.75" #6 high brass shot, and 1oz rifled slugs. #4 buck will cover the close quarter battle scenario, slugs for reaching out to targets and large game, and #6 shot for small game quarry. A modified choke in my shotty handles all of this ammo with good accuracy (4" groups at 100yds with slugs). I have after market fiber optic sights on the barrel (no batteries needed for a red dot), and a mounted flashlight. This of course would be accompanied with my Stevens 200 7mm-08.

teamnelson · « **Reply #13 on:** October 20, 2010, 06:28:42 PM »

I've not been disappointed by my IAC (Norinco) 372 clone of an Ithaca 37, $150 new from Big 5. 18.5" tactical barrel with ghost rings. However I'd gladly upgrade to a Saiga 12 for the role you describe.

sachel.45 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 20, 2010, 07:36:59 PM »

This one looks about perfect i'd ditch the tactical choke and repalce it with a Mod or IC and add a sling and be done with it.
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model-870/model-870-express-tactical.aspx

schoolmaster · « **Reply #15 on:** October 21, 2010, 05:14:43 AM »

Thats a nice looking shotgun with features I like.

Almtnman · « **Reply #16 on:** October 21, 2010, 05:17:35 AM »

did you delete this post??? i sincerely hope i didnt by accident....

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #17 on:** October 21, 2010, 05:22:32 AM »

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Couger · « **Reply #18 on:** October 21, 2010, 07:08:25 AM »

Loads? In a 20ga for home defense, the #3Buck (20 pellets) standard 2 3/4" load along with the saboted hour-glass looking slugs are good (more powerful than a .357 Mag). The sabot slugs can go thru walls or furniture BG's might hide behind.

But in 12ga for defense, I prefer 2 3/4" in 1Buck or 4Buck along with a couple saboted slugs (price has skyrocketed with those since the Nobamma-induced ammo rush).

However for combat (ranges measured in yards instead of feet), @Environ-Metal out of Oregon makes @Hevi-Shot. EnvironMetal makes a 3inch "Dead Coyote" load with (Hevi-Shot) "T" size pellets that are .20 cal. On coyotes, large geese, etc. those DC-loads are touted to have an 80yd range! EnvironM also makes foster- slugs from Hevi-Shot or Hevi-Steel that are .70-.72 cal and don't mushroom much.

Plus I picked up a load from Winchester, that uses their @Partition Gold slug! These 3inch loads shoot a 385 grain Partition bullet that is 1/2" diam. and more than 1-inch long! I bought them for anti-bear duty in grizzly country.

They're incredibly powerful and GENERATE 3600plus foot-pounds of muzzle energy!

Almtnman · « **Reply #19 on:** October 21, 2010, 07:38:40 AM »

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SHOOTALL · « **Reply #20 on:** October 21, 2010, 10:07:26 AM »

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SDS-GEN · « **Reply #21 on:** October 21, 2010, 10:50:57 AM »

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Foggy · « **Reply #22 on:** October 21, 2010, 01:46:36 PM »

The 590 at the time of the trails was the only shotgun not to have a fail to fire or function

Swampman · « **Reply #23 on:** October 21, 2010, 01:59:55 PM »

Quote from: schoolmaster on October 15, 2010, 03:04:32 PM

would you chose for a stay at home, hunker down defense weapon? What ammo?

For stay at home the 870 gets the nod. I use #4 bird shot.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #24 on:** October 22, 2010, 02:18:56 AM »

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SDS-GEN · « **Reply #25 on:** October 22, 2010, 06:27:13 AM »

IF both firearms passed all tests why wouldn't the military go with the cheapest?

mannyrock · « **Reply #26 on:** October 22, 2010, 10:01:44 AM »

Maybe the U.S. was more comfortable having an Italian company making its combat pistols, than a German (or is it Austrian?) company. U.S. Military weapons procurement is 99% political. Thus, the choice of the .223 round, and the 9mm round, both of which (I assume) were approved by the DOD as being more than adequate.

myronman3 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 22, 2010, 02:13:51 PM »

if you all want to have a conversation or friendly debate, groovy. keep it civil or kiss it goodbye. i am not going to allow some of the garbage that happens in sections to happen here. we will be respectful of one another.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #28 on:** October 22, 2010, 02:31:59 PM »

If I am staying home,
I don't have to choose. All of my scatter guns are at home.
So the 870 I keep for defense/ 3 gun will work, but I can stick a 20 ga out the back door and take a dove or two for dinner.
To answer your question
All the ammo I have in the house.
There is a Ron White joke: He says five guys were going to fight him out side the bar and he chickened out.
He was not sure how many it was going to take to kick his tail but he knew how many they were going to use.
Same principal with self defence at home. Not sure how many shells it may take but i will be using all the shells at the house.
Buck, slug, grape shot, skeet loads, duck loads.......12ga, 10ga, 20ga, 410.......22 snake shot.....
But right now my 870 has Buck and slugs along with 1 1/8 oz #7.5

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #29 on:** October 26, 2010, 06:31:39 AM »

Quote from: mannyrock on October 22, 2010, 10:01:44 AM

Maybe the U.S. was more comfortable having an Italian company making its combat pistols, than a German (or is it Austrian?) company. U.S. Military weapons procurement is 99% political. Thus, the choice of the .223 round, and the 9mm round, both of which (I assume) were approved by the DOD as being more than adequate.

From what I remember of the testing,
It came down to three guns.
The Sig P226
The Beretta 92F (M9)
and the Ruger P85
Ruger said he would not build another plant just for the military contract, and said he will deliver them out of current production and meet goals.
Sig said they were 10 to 15 years away from a US plant
and Beretta said what about Maryland as a site? They got the contract.
The Sig was later adopted as the M10 -P226 and M11- P228 for the MPs and then later for the Secret Service and FBI.
Later still more agencies adopted it, I think the Sig is Universal a federal adoption.
But Bill Ruger and his unwillingness to bend to the Military contract is what got him tossed. His gun was reliable and was there as a price point. But Bill Was stuborn that way and turned down the LA police contract for the PC9 because he would not make it use the Beretta mag that the LA police issue. Instead he told LA to buy his P85 and left.