Author Topic: 9.3 (Read 7297 times)

onesonek · « **on:** December 08, 2003, 03:26:32 PM »

Any 9.3 shooters out there? If so, what kind, and what in?

unspellable · « **Reply #1 on:** December 09, 2003, 07:38:31 AM »

I have a William Evans double rifle chambered for the 400-360 Purdey. I use 9.3 x 74R brass, the front side of the rim shaved to .048", the case shortened to 2.75" and run through the sizing die after which I ream the inside of the neck. So much for cases. The rifle is set up for a 0.367" round nose bullet of 300 grains weight. Can't find 'em. Nearest is a 9.3 at 285 grains. (0.366") Haven't worked up a proper load yet. Am always looking for a closer match in bullets or loading data.

I've occasionaly thought of getting a rifle in 9.3 x 74R.

onesonek · « **Reply #2 on:** December 10, 2003, 02:25:02 AM »

Don't look like many. Anyhow, when I joined GBO I had been thinking of a couple projects. One, a wildcat on the .376 Steyr case, and a 9.3 something. I decided on the 9.3x74R first. I went against my better? judgement, and had the barrel built for the Encore. I'm thinking the recoil is going to be stout, on the Encore. Most likely put a custom stock on it which will help. Along with a Limbsaver. I talked with Mike at OTT, the 9.3 should be done this week. I'll go play with it and see, before I commit to any stock options. I was just curious as to any other 9.3 shooters out there

lgm270 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 10, 2003, 06:16:11 AM »

I was considereing having a Mil-surp 8x57 mauser rebored to 9.3x57 Imp. Thought it would be a lot of fun and still may do it. Having a difficult time finding reloading data though.

It seems to me that with 250 grain bullets this would be a very effective deer rifle. Nosler makes a 250 grain Ballistic Tip as well as a 286 grain partition. Swift A-Frames come in 250 and 286 grain weights and Speer makes a 270.

Cast bullets would be a lot of fun, but molds appear to be difficult to come by.

Any thoughts?

Graybeard · « **Reply #4 on:** December 10, 2003, 07:46:30 AM »

If I hunted game which needed that kinda power (which I don't) then I think the 9.3x62 would be high on my list of must haves. My 7-08 is really plenty for anything I'll likey be hunting however.

GB

onesonek · « **Reply #5 on:** December 11, 2003, 01:32:05 PM »

I have to agree GB. The 7-08 is a sweet round capable of the greater share of hunting in the lower 48.

Capt Hamp Cox · « **Reply #6 on:** December 11, 2003, 02:46:39 PM »

My son is in the early stages of having a 9.3 x 62 built on a Mauser 98 action. My involvement will be working up loads for him once the rifle is finished. Already have dies, Norma brass, and Nosler 250 gr BT and 286 gr Part. on hand for starters. Am looking forward to his project nearly as much as he is.

He hopes to someday be able to experiance an African hunt, and the 9.3 MM is the minimum legal caliber in several of the countries allowing hunting. Feel sure that round will be sufficient for anything stateside as long as he doesn't stretch its range capabilities.

Would be interested in hearing from any with first-hand experience with this round.

onesonek · « **Reply #7 on:** January 24, 2004, 06:12:53 PM »

Well, my OTT Encore 9.3x74R came today. Got the barrel scrubbed, scope mounted,and starting rounds loaded. It looks good, balance is almost perfect, and the chamber seems snug. Have to wait and see what these storm warning produce. Would like to shoot it in the morning, if the weather permits.

cokdnloded · « **Reply #8 on:** January 25, 2004, 08:28:20 PM »

onesonek,

I am dying to know how your Encore shoots. As we speak, I am waiting on the delivery of a barrel set in 9.3x74R/9.3x74R for my Valmet 412 O/U. I was kind of thinking that I might want a sister barrel for my Encore. Keep us posted on the results and remember me if it in fact does kick you to hard to keep. :wink:

Drilling Man · « **Reply #9 on:** March 07, 2004, 07:40:03 AM »

Hi cokdnloded,

I'm new here, but i noticed that you have a set of 9.3x74R bbls comeing for your Valmet 412. I'll tell you how those bbls came to be in North America.

I use to be the distributor for the state of Alaska, where i lived at that time for Valmet firearms. I was one of the first gun dealers to sell Valmet products, and i noticed in a european catalog (that i had bought) the mention of a 9.3x74R bbl set to be sold in euroupe.

Because i lived in Alaska, i was HOT to get a set, so i called Valmet U.S.A. and talked to the president of company (who i got to know quite well by that time) importing Valmet into the U.S.A.. He had never heard of that cal., but promiced me he would check it out with his "next visit" to Findland. I told him to "BRING ME" a couple sets back with him, but he said it just wasn't that easy. He also said it wasn't "worth it" to bring in just a few bbls that wasn't already on his "importing liscense", but maybe he could do me a favor? From that time on, every time i talked to him, i reminded him about the bbls, and he assured me he would "check it out"!!!

Some time after that, he called me and said while he had been in Findland he checked out the double 9'3's i wanted. He also said, he had "borrowed" a couple sets off the assembly line while there, and put them into his suit case to bring back home to New York!!!! (he had imported them as expermental bbl sets) He said, i'm looking at them right now, but i don't know what to charge you for them!! At that point, i didn't care what he wanted for them, and a week later i had them in my hands!!!

After haveing a set for a month or so, i called him back to say i'd take 20 more sets, and "that's" when he decided to "catalog" them and start importing them for regular sales in the U. S..

Keep in mind that this all happened long before the "internet" had been "invented", so it took a LOT of slow communicateing to make it all happen!!

AND, now you know the "rest" of the story!!! :>)

Drilling Man

P.S.,

I also own some "one of a kind" expermental bbls, and some spl. sets in calibers i designed and had built for the Valmet 412, but those are different stories for another time!!!

Buckeye · « **Reply #10 on:** March 09, 2004, 06:40:17 PM »

I just unpacked my Mod. 46 Husky in 9.3X57,gonna be useing 270 Speers w/ IMR 3031 ,pushing bout 2200 fps.
I'm planning maybe some sort of Wildcat with the 9.3 bullet,heavier than .358 and better SD than .375 and has a good supply of high quality bullets,the 9.3 is a sleeper (at least on this side of the pond) !!

Buckeye

stork · « **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2004, 12:44:41 PM »

I don't have a 9.3 but if I did I would get a 9.3x66 Sako. It is a new cartridge designed by Sako. It's supposed to almost match the performance of the 375 H&H with a much smaller case. It looks to be far better ballisticly than any other 9.3 that I know of. If you want to learn more go to the Sako website.

Buckeye · « **Reply #12 on:** March 26, 2004, 04:03:59 PM »

I picked up my 9.3X57 from the gunsmiths yesterday had the bolt bent and a low mount safety installed,only scope I've got laying around is a Tasco I got on a trade a few years back ,i mounted it and hopefully headed to the range tomorrow ,I need to order a set of dies ,I think Hornaday makes 9.3X57 dies,has anyone of you guys ever used Hardcast
9.3 bullets ??

Buckeye

Drilling Man · « **Reply #13 on:** March 27, 2004, 10:28:44 AM »

I use to cast a lot of 9.3mm bullets long ago, and shoot them in the 74R case. It's been a long time ago now, and i can't remember the specifics. I still have the mould someplace , but i haven't seen it for years!!

Drilling Man

pc · « **Reply #14 on:** April 04, 2004, 12:17:53 AM »

I use the 9.3x62 and I own one in a cz 550 lux. I have a leupold 2-7x33 Vari X11 mounted in warne fixed rings mounted onit. Currently I am using the speer 270 gr bullet loaded with 56 gr of AR2208 in a lapua case, all set off with a wlr primer.

This load shoots well and works well on think skinned stuff, and I reckon it wil lalso work on pigs very well. At some point I need to start working with the various woodleigh's.

Judson · « **Reply #15 on:** April 27, 2004, 01:55:51 PM »

I hunt most everything with a 9.3 cartridge which I developed am trying to get legitimized. I did get it into the tenth edition of Cartridges of the World, it is the .366DGW. This is a direct neck down of the .416 Rigby and beats out both in energy and trajectory the .338 Lapua, the Remington ultras and most other stuff. For example, if sighted in 2.3" high at 100 yards with a 250 Nosler it is down 25.3" at 500 yards and has 2991 foot pounds of energy left. If any of you are intrested let me know and I will send you info on it.

charlesr · « **Reply #16 on:** April 28, 2004, 11:30:30 AM »

I have just ordered a Swedish M96 in 9.3 x 57 from Sarco, Inc. I'm looking for a good mold. Have looked at NEI molds. I'm having trouble finding a sizer die in .36 for my Lyman 450 sizer.

Anyone have a mold or sizer for sale or know where to get a sizer?

charlesr · « **Reply #17 on:** April 29, 2004, 11:22:42 AM »

Have just found a source for 9.3 lube and sizer dies for a Lyman 450 sizer.
Robert Stillwell, 10937 Kingsbury Rd., Kingsbury, TX 78638.
Phone: 830-639-4752.

He will make whatever die you need for $34.00 plus $5.00 shipping.

RG22lr · « **Reply #18 on:** May 09, 2004, 08:40:40 AM »

Hi GUY'S I HAVE 2 9.3X57'S 1 IS A MODEL46 HUSKY AND THE FIRST ONE I GOT IS A 98 MAUSER BUILT BY GERMANIA WAFFENWERKE THEY ARE BOTH SWEEEET. BOTH HAVE JACKENROLL TYPE MOUNTS THE 46 HAS A 4X WEAVER WITH A POST RETICLE THE 98 HAS A MEOPTA ARTEMIS 4X WITH EURO STYLE RETICLE. MY FAVORITE LOAD IS BIULT WITH 3031 POWDER AND A 232 GRAIN BULLET.SHOOTS GREAT AND DON'T BEAT ME TO DEATH.aLSO IN MY FAMILY IS A DRILLING THAT IS 16 GA AND 9.3X74R. I USED TO L;IKE THE BIG STUFF BUT THE 9.3 IS PLENTY FOR ME NOW. RG22lr

charlesr · « **Reply #19 on:** May 11, 2004, 01:57:25 PM »

Where did you find the 232 grain bullets? Are they Norma bullets? I'm considering only cast bullets in my 9.3 x 57. Don't have a bullet mold yet.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #20 on:** May 11, 2004, 02:48:16 PM »

Hey rg22lr

Tell me more about the drilling your family has. What brand is it, and is there a history about it's use ect..?

It would be great to hear all about it!

Drilling Man

RG22lr · « **Reply #21 on:** May 17, 2004, 03:23:46 AM »

HI CHARLES THE 232 GRAIN BULLETS I HAVE WERE PICKED UP IN NORTHERN IDAHO BY MY DAD THE BOX THEY ARE IN ISN'T THE ORIGANAL BOX BUT HE SAID THAT THEY WHERE EURO BULLETS.HE IS A PACKRAT AND HAD SEVERAL DIFFERANT SIZES THAT HE HAD PICKED UP FROM A GUY WHEN HE LIVED UP NORTH IDAHO.HE ALSO HAS A BUNCH OF 195 GRAINS THAT HE USES IN HIS OLD DRILLING.NOW HI DRILLINGMAN THE GUN MY DAD HAS IS A J.P.SAUER I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY BUT I WILL TALK WITH HIM AND SEE WHAT HE CAN TELL ME .HE ALSO HAS A NICE DOUBLE RIFLE THAT IS PROBABLY A GUILD GUN THAT IS 8X57JR THAT IS VERY NICE.HE IS INTO THAT TYPE OF FIREARM.I WOULD BE TOO BUT THEY ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN IN OKIE LAND LOL
THANKS GUY'S
DENNIS

Drilling Man · « **Reply #22 on:** May 25, 2004, 01:36:47 PM »

Hey RG,

Thanks for the Drilling info. I've shot Sauer Drillings in the past, my friend had one. Another killed a Bison with his.

My favorite Drilling is my Krieghoff 16-16-8x57jrs that was made in 1935. I've had it put back in "better than new" condition, and hunt with it all the time. It has a choke tubes, a B&L 1x6 scope in claw mounts, two Krieghoff inset bbls, and numerous options.

I've taken deer, javoilna, moose, bear, ducks, phesants and many other big and small game animials with it, and it's a joy to carry and use!!! I shot two nice whitetail bucks with it this last fall, what more can i say about it!!! :>)

Be glad to hear more about your fams Saur.

Drilling Man

The Bonz · « **Reply #23 on:** May 31, 2004, 05:39:44 AM »

Hey, I really like the 9.3x62 in theory. Craig Boddington did a piece on it a year or so ago in Rifle Shooter shortly after there was an article about the .35 Whelen Imp and others. Any thoughts as to how it would be better than a .35 Whelen Improved shooting a 270 gr or so bullet? Hawk makes 270 gr bullets in .358, so they are pretty available. I have a load that shoots 250gr. Barnes X bullets at 2650 fps and would think with that bullet it will out penetrate any 270gr or 286gr in a lead core or even a Swift. NOW... Load the 9.3x62 with an X bullet of 270gr or so and that would whoop even a .375 H&H with traditional lead core bullet. I think with all the great bullets available these days, re-thinking the whole "use enough gun" is in order. Heck, I have a .270 Win that when shooting 140 gr. X-bullets will penetrate and mess things up with the best of them. I guess that leads me to question why do I own a .35 Whelen Imp!?!?!? Because it is cool to have something not many others own and it leaves tremendous holes behind while being extremely forgiving when it comes to shot angles.
Probably not much content here, just want to join in the mix.
Bonz.

lgm270 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 31, 2004, 04:00:49 PM »

Well Bonz, I don't know that a 9.3x62 would be any "better" than a .35 Whelen Improved, except for providing a larger wound channel and maybe a more profuse blood trail from an exit wound, but it would certainly be different.

The 9.3X62 mm was a fabled African round that was purportedly equal in killing power to the more famous .375 H&H. I don't necessarily see how that could be possible, but that is what I have read. The late African hunter Finn Aagaard, who wrote for the American Rifleman after he moved to Texas from Kenya, waid he knew many die-hards who were wedded to the 9.3 and who would not switch as long as ammo were still available.

If you already have a good .35 Whelen IMP, I would not change it or trade it off. Too often I have paid the price of getting rid of something that was wonderful to get something else that I thought I couldn't live with out only to be bitterly disapopinted. But If you have the itch for a 9.3 mm that has to be scratched, do keep us advised of how it works out for you.

Best.

Greg Zeilinger · « **Reply #25 on:** June 28, 2004, 06:40:29 PM »

Hi everyone.
I'm glad to actually find a site,that talks about the 9.3mm cartridges,as i thought there would'nt be many hunters or shooters.who have actually heard about them,let alone seen one.I'm hunting exclusively with a 9.3-64 Steyr -mannlicher ST and even though i've tried a lot of different calibers in that class,but nothing beats the 9.3mm in accuracy and knock-down power,especially when used with a combination of Norma,Rws or Nosler bullets.I've shot quite a large number of wild boars in Austria and anything from Whitetail to Moose and Bears here in Canada and never has an animal taken another step after being hit.To me the 9.3-64 is the non-plus-ultra when it comes to versatility,as long you don't mind the hefty recoil,particularily when using 286gr bullets like the Norma SP-Alaska loaded with 67gr of Rel15.Perhaps there is someone out there who also uses a 9.3-64?Would be nice to swap some info and experiences.
Good luck and happy hunting. :grin:

Robert · « **Reply #26 on:** June 28, 2004, 07:48:34 PM »

I am certainly watching this thread... a versatile bige-bore..I like big.

lgm270 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 01, 2004, 12:01:33 PM »

Hey Greg: Enjoyed your report on the 9.3x64. According to my Nosler Reloading Manual, No. 5, the 9.3x64 is functionally equivalent to a .338 Win Mag necked up to .286", with approximately the same deminsions except that the 9.3x64 is not a belted round.

I've long thought this wildcat, 9.3 x .338 Win Mag, would be very effective and your experience with its established ballistic twin the 9.3X64. The advantage of the wildcat version is that belted brass is very plentiful and comparatively cheap while imported beltless RWS cases are much more expensive.

Another thought was the .350 Remington Magnum case necked up to 9.3. This would have the same approximate capacity as the older 9.2x62, but could be more easily used in mil-surp actions. Although designed for short .308 win length actions, the .350 Rem Mag actually does better in longer actions where bullets can be seated further out for a longer overall cartridge length and greater power capacity.

Best

dan belisle · « **Reply #28 on:** July 01, 2004, 02:16:46 PM »

I have two Huskies, an early one in 9.3 x 57 (96 based) and a later (98 based) one in 9.3 X 62. I'm still looking for 9.3 X 74R barrels for my Valmet 412, and plan on building a 9.3 x 64 in the near future. - Dan

Greg Zeilinger · « **Reply #29 on:** July 01, 2004, 03:43:38 PM »

@IGM270.How about necking up a 30-06 to 9.3mm and you would have a cartrigde as close as you can get to a 9.3-62,actually it would be identical.A few months ago,i read a report on a guy,who necked up a 338Winch.Mag to 9.3mm and i believe he called it the 9.3USA.I'm not much of a fan of belts on a cartridge,so i'm in the process of necking up a 270WSM to 9.3mm and if my math is right,i should get roughly the same velocity as a 9.3-62 by using 231gr PPC-Norma bullets.Those bullets have a very thick jacket and a great for hunting Elk and Moose with,even though they are on the light side in that caliber,but i used to use them in my 9.3-64 for mule deer,Blackbear and Moose and they are a hunters dream with the added bonus of having plenty of velocity for longer shots in the Mountains.Accuracywise,they are a delight.My groups with my Steyr averages about 1.0"-1.3"at300yds and even at 600yds i get approx.3.0"-max 3.5".As a gun-bullet -cartridge combination,i could not ask for more.Happy Hunting and Shooting. :grin: