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Is it our civic duty to vote?
« on: October 25, 2010, 04:45:16 AM »
 
If your not truly informed, you would do the country a favor by staying home on election day.
Truth is, a huge majority of voters don't have a clue about the issues or people they are pulling the lever for.

A friend of mine said he would be voting for an incumbent Democrat for Congress (Peter DeFazio). I asked him why? He said he thought the Republican's views represented the rich guy, and did nothing for the poor.
When I asked for an example...........He had no answer!.................... "He will vote"

I agree with this man's views on voting.The only problem I see with this article, is........He only targeted Democrats. There are also Republicans running for office that belong in prison, not in positions of authority.

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By Selwyn Duke

It has become apparent that most Americans simply don’t take voting very seriously. This is especially true of those who encourage voting. They’ll tell us that walking into a polling place and pulling a lever is our civic duty, but this isn’t true. Our civic duty is to cultivate wisdom in ourselves and become conversant with the issues; the walking and pulling part is just a natural by-product of that.

Yet so many try to pull others to the polls, claiming that mass participation in the electoral process somehow makes our country better. I guess this is in the way that having everyone take a turn in the cockpit of a 747 would make air travel better or having everyone try his hand at brain surgery would make brains better. The latter is hard to imagine, of course, but it would increase the likelihood those brains would vote Democrat.

Speaking of which, I understand why Democrats are enamored of get-out-the-dopes drives such as Rock the Vote. Having every drug addict, goth, Wiccan, vampirist, criminal, cross-dresser, sideshow geek and The Hills Have Eyes mutant do the walkie-pully-poll thing between drunken slumber and a night’s partying may not make America stronger, but it sure makes the Democrat Party stronger. Hey, they know their constituencies, which together, to borrow a Pat Buchanan line, look like the bar scene in Star Wars. And, just think, this used to be the party of the common man. Now it’s the party of the uncommon man.

As for common myths, encouraging people to vote doesn’t advance the common good. After all, we would agree that having an educated electorate is a prerequisite for a healthy electoral process. Yet we also know that most people aren’t well-educated on the issues of the day. Therefore, it cannot be good for everyone to vote.

If any would dispute this, just listen to these Howard Stern man-on-the-street interviews conducted prior to the 2008 election. The radio jock had an interviewer ascribe John McCain’s positions to Barack Obama and ask Obama supporters if they approved. It went something like this, “Do you like Obama’s pro-life stance? Can you accept his choice of Sarah Palin as vice-presidential running mate?” What do you think the answer was? If you didn’t guess that they were just fine with “Obama’s” positions, please remember to vote November 3.

The truth is that get-out-the-vote endeavors, as I wrote in 2008, “can quite correctly be defined as an effort to rally the idiot vote disguised as a noble exercise in democracy.” A good example is this breaking story about Ohio high-school students who were taken to vote during school hours, allegedly given sample ballots only for Democrat candidates and then treated to ice cream. And some Democrats have even advocated granting 14-year-olds the right to vote. Hey, why not? We can set up polling places in paintball and laser-tag facilities and a registration icon on YouTube.

But why stop there? Perhaps the Democrats can adopt one of their constituencies’ slogans, “If they’re eight, it’s too late.” Recruit them early, they say. Besides, little kids eat less ice cream.

On the other hand, we could just accept the simple rule of thumb here: If someone doesn’t have the get-up-and-go to get out and vote without being prodded, it follows that he won’t have the greater get-up-and-go necessary to inform himself on the issues, in which case he shouldn’t vote. So it’s just a case of nature taking care of itself. After all, if people aren’t voting, it’s for the same reason why they don’t play the piano, paint or follow politics: They’re not interested in those things. And when you’re not interested in something, you invariably won’t be very good at it.

Yet people will talk about the importance of exercising constitutional rights. They forget about moral rights, however. And if you would maintain that an uneducated person has a moral right to vote, then you should accept that a butcher has a moral right to operate on your child because, for some inexplicable reason, getting everyone involved in an endeavor somehow makes it better.

And based on this idea, we see a lot of posturing about getting people "engaged in the process." As I also wrote in 2008, however:

    …it's all talk. A process is just that, a process, "a systematic series of actions directed to some end" [1], while voting is simply an action. Or perhaps we could say it's a reaction — catalyzed by one's own knowledge and passion.

    If people really were interested in the health of the "process," they would start at the beginning of that "systematic series of actions" — which is the step whereby you encourage people to care, study and inform themselves — not at the end with voting. They would understand that once this step was tended to, people would naturally cast ballots, as it is merely a by-product of personal political health.

Then again, could it be that certain elements in our society know that if they tend to the beginning of that process, the end of it won’t be to their liking? And what does it say about a group, which shall remain nameless (I’ll just say it starts with a “D” and ends with an “s’”), when its success hinges on growing and rallying the idiot vote?

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Re: Is it our civic duty to vote?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2010, 05:12:57 AM »
More and more I believe if you're not helping to pull the wagon, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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Re: Is it our civic duty to vote?
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2010, 05:16:06 AM »
YOU  DON'T HAVE TO VOTE

but  there are voters  that want to take away your freedoms

look  at  new york  and california gun  laws
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: Is it our civic duty to vote?
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2010, 06:28:59 AM »
well this country is the melting pot..could be, what was a strength is now the weakness of the system and country..
 guess time will tell. i ll vote according to my knowledge an belief ..may god bless america..again.
 i can always hope..

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Re: Is it our civic duty to vote?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2010, 10:46:03 AM »
YES, voting is a duty. To not vote is a slap in the face of every man and woman that has fought and died to give us our freedom and the right to vote. It will be easy this year, push ONE  button. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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Re: Is it our civic duty to vote?
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2010, 11:58:13 AM »
It will be easy this year, push ONE  button.

I'm hoping we get rid of that button SOON.

For those not familiar with the issues associated with this type of thing, just know that the company that makes most of those electronic voting machines (Diebold) has a HORRIBLE security record.  The machines are incredibly susceptible to hacking.  

What's worse, is that like most commercial software, the software running those machines is closed source.  

As breakdown of what that means, computers typically execute code in a fashion that is not really human readable.  Programmers first write the code in what's called a high-level language.  This can be one of many options (C, C++, BASIC, COBOL, etc).  For instance, in C if you wanted to print out the numbers from 1 to 10 you'd write the following high-level code:

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int counter;

for (counter = 1; counter <= 10; counter++) {
printf("%d\n", counter);
}

Now, that's a big ugly for the uninitiated, but a programmer can look at it and tell what it does.  Before it can be actually run on a computer though, a special program called a compiler has to translate that into machine code.  Once it's translated into machine code that the system runs directly though, you can no longer discern it's exact behavior by looking at it.

With closed source software, the high level code running it, like that above, is no available for anyone to look at.  It could be rigged, it could produce incorrect results, it could do just about anything you can think of and you have no way to verify it except checking against the results - which is next to impossible with no paper receipt trail.

Personally, at a minimum I think that if we are to continue to use electronic voting, we should be using software that has the source code open and available for peer review.  That would at least ensure that someone else can verify it, rather than just accepting the word of the software vendor when they claim that it works correctly.  Even going back to paper ballots would be better than the mess we have now.

What we have now is basically the equivalent of our government buying cars with the hood welded shut.  You don't know how it works, or even if it's truly working right.  You just assume the whatever's happening inside there is all good.  It's crazy.

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Re: Is it our civic duty to vote?
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2010, 12:36:56 PM »
I've never pushed one button or marked the spot for a straight ticket in my life and don't intend to start now. I voted in every election since I became 21 years old and won't miss one until I'm in the grave. I voted early this morning and spent quite a bit of time coloring those little ovals black. I have to admit most were for one party but there were a few in the local and two of the state offices that I don't want the candidate of that party to win.

I'm really disgusted with the NRA this election. I know they are a single issue group. The only national candidates in my state are congressmen and we have three. They endorsed the three incumbents who have an A rating on gun issues but are liberal democrats. All of their opponent's ratings were the same and the one from my area had a proven voting record as he was our congressman until he ran for the senate in the last election and was beaten by a northern liberal democrat.

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Re: Is it our civic duty to vote?
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2010, 03:29:02 PM »
I'd feel a whole lot better about voting if there was someone on the ballots that I felt worth voting for. It sure gets old having to vote for the lessor evil of a long list of liars, thieves, and traitors and that list is far from confined to any one party.

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Re: Is it our civic duty to vote?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2010, 05:27:18 PM »
I ignored the NRA and the bogus attack adds and voted early on the 16th. I was the first one there at a new polling place. They opened a little early cause I was waiting and chomping at the bit. I may have been the first one in the state to vote! I feel better now!     ;D
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Re: Is it our civic duty to vote?
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2010, 04:42:32 AM »
SPIRITHAWK. I agree, but I've never missed an election. I know a lot of the horrors my Dad went through in WW11 to give me that right. He always said, I don't care who you vote for, but you have to vote. Millions have died worldwide to give us that privelege. YES, it's our duty to vote. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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Re: Is it our civic duty to vote?
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2010, 05:05:41 AM »
It may well be a duty to vote, but the higher duty is to be an informed voter and to vote for what is best for the country and not just what you might think is best for your personal interest.  Voting for people who say they will give you whatever your little heart desires is neither responsible, nor satisfying your duty.
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Re: Is it our civic duty to vote?
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2010, 05:30:28 AM »
MAGOOCH. I agree Sir. BUT, last time I voted for a dem was a local school principal. We talked at length and he assured me that we were on the same page, turns out he wasn't even in the same book.  He was elected. He lied, after the election he did exactly the opposite what he said he would. Next election he was beaten almost 2 - 1. He was in shock. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Is it our civic duty to vote?
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2010, 10:17:04 AM »
I think it was Jefferson, that said that when the people can vote for the govt. to take care of them, it will cease. And, we've gotten to that point. Way to many people vote for the politician that tells them they can give them evereything. Way to many earmarks,pork spending,bailouts,handouts, promising you everything type bill. I will vote next Tuesday, havn't missed an election since I turned 18 in 1973. But, I'm afraid it will be my last one, since I honestly don't think there will be another in 2 years.  :'( gypsyman
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Re: Is it our civic duty to vote?
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2010, 10:33:31 AM »
I would like to see a small test involved when registering for the first time.
Take a 2,000 question pool that covers  US History, the constitution, Governemnt/ citizen ship, economics, and math then randomy pull 100 questions.  400 questions on each subject and 20 for the test.  Like an SAT for government.
Random stuff that anyone who graduated from High school should be able to answer.

You need a 65% or better to register to vote.
You need a 80% or better to serve in Congress as a representitive
You need a 90% or better to serve as a senator.
and you need a 95% or better to serve as a president, VP, suprime court judge, or cabnet member.  There will be no Czars that are not appointed by congress.
If you pay taxes you should get a vote for every 1,000 you pay.  Once you pass the test.  In the founding of our nation you needed to be a land owner to vote.  Only seem fair that you need to have a stake in the country in order to vote, paying taxes seems fair.  You don't pay federal taxes you can't vote, you can serve but not vote.  You may pay state and local taxes but not federal and in those cases you can vote local or state but not federal.  If you recieve any federal state or local aid then you are not allowed to vote.  I should add that serving in the Military would aloow you to vote, as you now have a stake in the country. 
After all we have changed who is alloowed to vote.  But we need to look at corerate America for an answer to voting.
You may own one share of stock that gives you one vote on how the company is going to be run, and any company for sure would not allow you to vote if you did not own a share.  Those that own multiple shares get multiple votes.  The idea of one man one vote has the idea that all would work for the common good.  As we can see with socialism and communism people do not work that way.  Allowing some to vote them selfs stuff at the cost of others is what is causing us problems.

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Re: Is it our civic duty to vote?
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2010, 11:13:13 AM »
If you don't vote SHUT UP about the outcome!
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