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WMDS.
« on: October 25, 2010, 07:06:42 AM »
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Re: WMDS.
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2010, 08:31:21 AM »
See: Wikileaks IS serving a good purpose.

Also, this wasn't very widely publicized, but even the Department of Defense has concluded that Wikileaks has not disclosed any sensitive information regarding identities and such: http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/16/wikileaks.assessment/index.html?hpt=T2

An open government is a GOOD government.  Keep them honest.  Anytime the government is claiming that anything outside of IMMEDIATE troop movements and locations needs to be all hush-hush, we've got a problem. 

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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2010, 09:52:28 AM »

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-07-07/us/iraq.uranium_1_yellowcake-uranium-cameco?_s=PM:US

Since there were no nuke power plants in Iraq, I can only imagine what they were going to do with 500 tons of uranium....like maybe
a little enrichment process?  Bet it had African tags on it as well.

Still should not have went there...but the WMD thing sure gets old. The UN outlawed scuds in Iraq as well, (they been stiring the pot and threatening Iraq for years with no intention of any follow through) they called them WMD too...but hey, everyone has a different idea what WMD is when politics are involved.  Politics were involved to the max. After a while of coming up with all those WMD's the lefties started deciding what really qualified as WMD's...ya have to chuckle sometimes.  Ya...the poison gas was kind of old...oh...did they really have 500 tons of yellow cake, well...it was worthless, oh, did they have poison gas in their scuds...well...that wouldn't hurt anyone, cept Israel maybe.

We did not go there because of WMD's anyways.  Should not have gone there at all in my opionion, it's just the WMD's were used as a political tool.





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Re: WMDS.
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2010, 10:25:37 AM »
Saddam had chemical weapons that we sold him. What is a chemical lab? They found one in a Georgetown University freshman dorm room this week.

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Re: WMDS.
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2010, 11:04:53 AM »
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THEN SHOW ME THE WMD FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD ALREADY.



Just because they weren't found doesn't mean they didn't exist!
If they could hid a MIG in the desert sand (which we found) I think they could hide WMDs with no problem.
We know they had them because they were used on their own people.
They had over 18 months to get rid of them before we went in.
A drum here, a cake there, hidden ammo of all types everwhere!
I doubt it will all ever be found.



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Re: WMDS.
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2010, 11:41:42 AM »
If Saddam wanted to Clear everything up and Live
He should have said my doors are open Look
He continued to Hide things and who know what was slipped
out or could still be Hid

He needed to be removed for at least one reason I think we can agree on
and that is
The 1000's of Innocent People he killed at will

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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2010, 12:01:33 PM »
If Saddam wanted to Clear everything up and Live
He should have said my doors are open Look
He continued to Hide things and who know what was slipped
out or could still be Hid

He needed to be removed for at least one reason I think we can agree on
and that is
The 1000's of Innocent People he killed at will

Tommyt




TOMMY T. Except for a few deniers the entire world knows saddam had them. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: WMDS.
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2010, 12:20:42 PM »
Good ol' GWB recently said his biggest mistake in eight years of mistakes was not reforming Social Security.  In other words, not getting $1,000,000 commission checks for a bunch of stockbrokers. Needlessly killing hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq wasn't a big mistake at all, I suppose.

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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2010, 12:38:59 PM »
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In other words, not getting $1,000,000 commission checks for a bunch of stockbrokers. Needlessly killing hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq wasn't a big mistake at all, I suppose.



Now, what does that mean????? And what does it have to do with saddam and his poisons??? POWDERMAN.  ??? ???
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: WMDS.
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2010, 01:27:21 PM »
WMD's were no big deal in my opinion, we all have them. So some countries are somehow allowed to have them, someone decides some are not.
Same as guns, some places decide you can have a gun, some places says you can't, while the people in charge get to have them.
Been that way long as I remember all over the world here included. It's not right, just the way it is.

The thing that gets me is using it a political tool, and the left and the right both did that, and Bush was not the first either, Clinton blew the heck out of everything standing and told us it was all about WMD's as well. Left and the right was good with that, I had a slight problem with that, but what do I know.  

You need a darn good reason to put a soldiers boots on the ground anywhere, if you want to actually win a real war and feel you have the right to go into another country, you pound it from the air until nothing is left, you put the soldiers boots on the chared ground to sift through the rubble, no "police action", you have INVADED another country to WIN a war.  You take everything you want as well, winners take all. If you are not willing to do that, you put soldiers lives at risk for no good reason, and they stay there and get picked off a little at a time, over a long time. The masses get used to this. I can't get used to it at all. Bothers me every day.

You won't change Iraq, you'll wind up keeping thousands of U.S solders there for many years getting picked off, in an atempt to do what? Make them like US?  What is that all about?  We have no right to change anything, you go to war to devistate and take another country, not try to change them into something impossible. Next thing ya know we'll be teaching them to buy and sell votes with tax payers money...OH...gee we all ready taught them that one I guess.

Same with the Afgan mountains, what in the world are we doing there? Next will be Africa...oh, sorry, we are already there too, they just don't report it.

Who cares about who has WMD's anyway. We going into Iran next?  We need to save our solders for defending the U.S. not a bunch of police actions over many decades in other countries. We have bombs for that if it's really a "war".  There are no innocents in a war. If you fight like that you lose the war.

We don't have anyone in charge with enough guts to win a war. They got just enough guts to get your sons and daughters killed for their politics. They don't even care enough to keep track of that.

Ya, Iraq had some stuff, so what, if they didn't have anything at all, so what. We were there already under two previous presidents and congresses. It's just some political parties decided to switch their views in their own best interests.





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Re: WMDS.
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2010, 01:40:34 PM »
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Fact is under Sad'dam their was a stable secular society in the makings...women were treated quite well, educated, held jobs, had higher degrees in all the arab world.



tm. HEH, what  a crock. You sure are entertaining at times. Ridiculous as always, but entertaining. You sure make up some good stuff. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: WMDS.
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2010, 01:53:49 PM »
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Fact is under Sad'dam their was a stable secular society in the makings...women were treated quite well, educated, held jobs, had higher degrees in all the arab world.



tm. HEH, what  a crock. You sure are entertaining at times. Ridiculous as always, but entertaining. You sure make up some good stuff. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Wake up and smell the truth.  Spin isn't truth. TM didn't make up anything.

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Re: WMDS.
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2010, 02:06:23 PM »
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Fact is under Sad'dam their was a stable secular society in the makings...women were treated quite well, educated, held jobs, had higher degrees in all the arab world. Now he has been replaced by a constitutional islamic republic, instability and lawlessness, terrorist elements, and women cower and live in fear.

PMan, sadly, TM7 is correct on this one. My assigned mission in life was Iraq from 90-98, then again in 2006-2008. I've even worked with lutheran refugee services helping Iraqi refugees coming to the US when I got out, and pastored an arabic speaking baptist church with Iraqi members. Saddam was a bastard, and a tyrant, and he kept all the factions afraid. But he was not a muslim ... he was a Baathist first and only. Walking the ground in Iraq 2 years ago, I saw the remnants of infrastructure now destroyed that would look at home in the US. They had a more robust fiber network in the mid-90s than some states have in the US today. What SH wanted was a powerful Arab nation, that could sit at the table with the west and not feel inferior. He was also tribal, so not everyone in Iraq enjoyed the same standards of living ... but we have in fact set them back 20 years. Its a fact accepted by the State dept and DOD, and one of the reasons we've dropped so much $ to help them get back running power, water and internet ... which they had working just fine in many places before us. One of my Iraqi born and raised language professors had multiple PhDs, from Iraq, and she was not unique.

On the other hand, re: WMDs ... well when it comes down to it, folks believe what they want to believe. I disagree with TM7 on this one. Me, I've seen all I need to see to know, not just believe, that there was an active WMD program going on. Tell you what ... figure out how many tons of concrete have been poured in Iraq since 2003. Then calculate how many construction projects have gone on. You will find a descrepancy between the numbers as there has been more concrete poured than necessary for the projects.  And you might also check Janes to see how Irans military capacity took a major leap forward, without any actual purchases or internal manufacturing. When is the only time a  Sunni will work with a Shia?
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2010, 02:19:01 PM »
Good ol' GWB recently said his biggest mistake in eight years of mistakes was not reforming Social Security.  In other words, not getting $1,000,000 commission checks for a bunch of stockbrokers. Needlessly killing hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq wasn't a big mistake at all, I suppose.

Junior, where did you get the "hundreds of thousands" figure? I'd like to read that source.

Also, given that the discussion you are quoting had nothing to do with Iraq, but was in fact about SS, its difficult to gauge from that alone how he feels about OIF. If I applied to you the same rationale you apply to your arch-nemesis GWB, then I suppose there's a lot of things we might infer about you that would be unflattering. Of course, what you just did is the definition of "spin," but you probably knew that.
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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2010, 05:56:53 PM »
TEAMNELSON. I'm surprised but take your word for it. I naturally disagreed with tms statement about treatment of women because I've never known him to be truthful about anything.  :o :o
junior. I see tm has a convert, you seem to be an apt student. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :D :D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: WMDS.
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2010, 06:44:09 PM »
I think I will stand on my statement.

I will add just a few more things.
Since we are able to see all that goes on with our eyes in the sky (and very good ones I might add) then how come our boys keep getting blown up by IEDs planted along side the road.
We should know where they are at because we can see all that goes on.
Yes we do see alot, but we don't see all and we didn't see all back when SH was in power before we went in.
They had plenty of time to dispose of the WMDs in their own country.
Like I said, they hid a MIG that we didn't know about until we stumbled across it buried in the sand.
Someone said the lies about WMDs came from Bush/Cheney and was all politics used as a reason to go in, WRONG!
The words may have come from their mouths but the info was obtained from several countries who were our eyes on the ground.
Remember, our inspectors were not allowed in for over 18 months.
Convoys of trucks & trailers moving at night which we only got to inspect a very few of long after the fact.
What about all the rest of them.
I will finish with this subject by stating this.
I/we will never convince those that blame Bush nor convince them that there were WMDs just as you will never be able to swear 100% that there never was any!!!
Remember, no one has ever found NOAHS ARK or the LOST CITY of ATLANTIS but that doesn't mean they never existed.
The remains of the first settlers of JAMESTOWN were never found but we know they were here.
I don't know anyone who has ever seen GOD either, that doesn't mean he doesn't exist!!!
Some say he does, some say he doesn't.
Same with the WMDs.
Prove it, one way or the other!

I try not to argue politics so I am done with this thread.



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Re: WMDS.
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2010, 04:09:13 AM »
LONGTOM. Great post Sir, I agree. Sadly you will never convince tm with facts, he's too far along in the hate America crowd and supporting his Godless friends. I remember the reports from our eyes in the sky about the many long caravans of trucks going into Syria before the invasion, and the trucks identified as Russian. I too remember the buried migs, among other things buried there. 
For over 200 years the wind had blown from North to South, the day the ground war started it blew from South to the North. Saddam had artillery shells loaded with his poison. They did fire them, the shells were short, and the poison blew back in the faces of his own troops. Thousands of his own troops were killed. It was in all the AMERICAN papers, tm probably missed that. Still, there are those who couldn't see Gods hand in that. Wind changing direction after over 200 years a fluke??? Nope, Gods work.
Fact is, more iraqi civilians have died at the hands of their brothers than by American troops or our allies. They are killing each other every single day. 10 here, 20 there, it all adds up. A million dead by OUR hand??? Nope, just more muzzie lies. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: WMDS.
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2010, 09:49:52 AM »
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PMan, sadly, TM7 is correct on this one

Ummmm,,,,why sadly correct on this one. ...TM7

TM7, "sadly" in the sense that it took a tyrant to make it so, sadly in that as a result of our intervention it will not be so again as the leading powers vying for control are not interested in a progressive secular society as SH was. In fact, the argument could be made that our intervention has enabled the return of Taliban like social structures being introduced into Iraqi society ... seen it with my own eyes, actually helped to identify insurgent mosques and distinguish them from legitimate Iraqi mosques. But anyone who would make an argument for or against the intervention solely on a single set of consequences is naieve. And anyone who idolizes what Saddam Hussein was doing prior to intervention is worse than naieve. All societies have their positive and negative factors. Singapore for example enjoys some of the highest levels of personal security on the planet, with clean streets, etc. For that status they lose all sense of individual rights to privacy or liberty, and violators are swiftly and harshly punished.

Nature abhors a vacum, and any time we create one politically or socially, it will be filled. We created a vacum in Iraq that will be filled; whether or not creating it in the first place will be worth what we wind up with I think remains to be seen.

And Iraq was not armed to defend itself from us; I've read their national security policy. They were armed as that is what superpowers do, and it was Saddam's dream for Iraq to become a superpower in the world. His primary concerns were Israel and Iran; the US was only tangentially an issue in his policy.
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Re: WMDS.
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2010, 09:58:51 AM »
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Fact is under Sad'dam their was a stable secular society in the makings...women were treated quite well, educated, held jobs, had higher degrees in all the arab world.



tm. HEH, what  a crock. You sure are entertaining at times. Ridiculous as always, but entertaining. You sure make up some good stuff. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Wake up and smell the truth.  Spin isn't truth. TM didn't make up anything.
Did we forget the torture - soccer players killed if they lost , women raped then thrown off buildings ( now that's good treatment) or men made to sit on broken bottles for punishment ?
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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2010, 10:04:01 AM »
SHOOTALL. Yep, or the folks thrown into chipper shredders feet first so they could hear them scream before they died. Uhuh, ol saddam was a real nice guy, just misunderstood. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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Re: WMDS.
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2010, 10:07:41 AM »
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Fact is under Sad'dam their was a stable secular society in the makings...women were treated quite well, educated, held jobs, had higher degrees in all the arab world. Now he has been replaced by a constitutional islamic republic, instability and lawlessness, terrorist elements, and women cower and live in fear.


At last, I have found one small nugget of truth upon which I can agree with TM7.  In many ways, SoDamn Insane was our best "friend" in the Middle East.


NGH
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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2010, 10:11:05 AM »
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Did we forget the torture - soccer players killed if they lost , women raped then thrown off buildings ( now that's good treatment) or men made to sit on broken bottles for punishment ?

Shootall, no; not denying that at all. Saddam's progress was not universally applied, but it was present in large number for many members of his society. And very quickly removed on a whim. The average quality of life for an Iraqi, as measured by food, water, electricity, and access to modern health care and education was very high by American standards. He built alot of infrastructure. And yes he was a tyrant. Hitler revolutionized the German economy and gave his people hope and a vision; he was also a tyrant, and personal hero of Saddam. I don't think the progress justifies the heinous acts ... but neither do I think the heinous acts should obscure the fact of everything else that was going on in the society. Saddam needed to be held accountable for that; and Iraqis the world over rejoiced over his hanging body. But they miss the infrastructure they had, the quality of life.
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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2010, 10:16:08 AM »
I wonder if a Kurd would agree ? maybe .
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2010, 10:22:08 AM »
I wonder if a Kurd would agree ? maybe .

So I take it that because Saddam was a tyrant, fact, should completely overshadow the other fact which millions of Iraqis are struggling with today which is that their toilets flushed when Saddam was in power. Again, I am not saying we should keep him around. I am personally happy he is dead, as I have Iraqi friends who suffered horribly under his leadership. But neither am I saying that the life of the average Iraqi today is vastly improved because we took him out.
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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2010, 10:48:32 AM »
Maybe we did the right thing for the wrong reason ?
 
Being honest my lifestyle is not what it was before the war either ! >:(
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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2010, 11:48:30 AM »
Maybe we did the right thing for the wrong reason ?
 
Being honest my lifestyle is not what it was before the war either ! >:(

Oh yeah, mine has suffered significantly  :(
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« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2010, 12:22:29 PM »
Wind changing direction after over 200 years a fluke??? Nope, Gods work.
You sound like OBL on 9/11.

Never been to the MidEast. Pale white Christian wifey does work for, with and in Dubai and UAE. She heard that it was a LOT nicer for foreign female businesspeople in Iraq than it is where she works now.

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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2010, 01:53:18 PM »
I can think of at least 6 alternate ways to have delt with Sad'dam without loss of blood and treasure. But the question remains that had we not been the main bidders for this war(s) would another certain country have nuked him and all Hell would have broken out in the ME.

TM7, two neighbor nations wanted that real estate, or at least control. Personally, I think the way we dealt with Saddam specifically was "Just Cause," and the ensuing search for and containment of WMDs was also "Just." Then we lost sight of "Just." The ensuing nation building with no clear exit strategy ... I believe ... was/is a stop gap measure to keep the vacum filled with something we can control, because the other options were reprehensible. Now we've capitulated to the inevitable, but at least the islamofacist regime that's growing in Iraq will have to chip away at a few thousand yards of concrete before they can lay hands on the tools to wreak havoc on the Kurds and Israel. We've also successfully manned, trained and equipped the two major security forces in Iraq who most likely will go toe to toe at some point in the future, so we'll get to see our force on force doctrine played out in a scrimmage. Its sad, sure.
 But consider the alternative. What would have happened if we dropped in, arrested Saddam, put him on a plane and told the bystanders "work it out amongst yourselves." The human death toll would have made the actualy numbers pale in comparison.  And quality of life in Iraq would've been worse that it is presently. Iran would've had no choice but to roll in heavy, along with Syria, and some Lebanese types. Israel wouldve been very nervous to have that going on their eastern edge, and gotten engaged in a direct manner. I don't like all the fine details, but given the alternative, I think we made the best we could out of it.
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« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2010, 02:02:43 PM »
  Waiting for apologies from those who said.. "Bush lied, people died" !
       ...Doubt they will "man up" though..most of the men who claimed that were rather "womanish"' anyway..
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« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2010, 02:09:23 PM »
Obviously Saddam did have the population well under control, much in the same way Hitler had Germany under control and Stalin had the Soviet Union under control. The Kurds didn't like his despotism..but they soon learned thay had to tolerate it.
  Saddam could have well kept going along that way..except like all dictators, he craved more power and territory. he tried first to take over Iran..didn't work, so he took Kuwait.
   Now, let's rack our memories..Saddam was warned to leave Kuwait, seems like he was told continually for about 6 months. He laughed and derided the requests..so his forces were virtually destroyed in  about 100 hours.
  He begged peace and a peace was signed..which included..  

1) No fly zones....

 2) No WND allowed...

 3) Unfettered inspections by coalition inspectors

 4) No hindrance of Coalition aircraft flying over Iraq

  These and many other agreements were to be observed, according to the solemn agreement  by both sides. Soon Saddam started attempting to fly in the 'no fly' zones, firing missles at our aircraft, obviously kept his WMD and refused access to inspectors..
  He should have counted his blessings that the coalition didn't finish him the first time around !
   Saddam also had nuclear weapons in  development. Do you recall how Turkey held up our forces in the north for about two weeks?
  Well, that's when Saddam sneaked his nukes out to the Bekaa valley in Syria !
  Unless you have read this book by his cheif air marshall, which explains all of this..you are ill-informed.

   http://www.amazon.com/Saddams-Secrets-General-Survived-Hussein/dp/1591454042
  
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