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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2010, 03:47:32 AM »
The administration is disputing the size and cost of the trip to India, but won't comment on what the true cost is because of security.  Bullcrap!
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« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2010, 03:52:05 AM »
Whats his excuse for even going????No reason I can see and if it were important business, as if he has any, no reason to make it a family outing. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2010, 05:26:22 AM »
Apologies to FDR.  He liked to yacht on US battleships in his spare time.  A complete waste of money for his boating pleasure, at least from the perspective of people who were struggling during the depression, but at least he only used one ship.

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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2010, 05:52:38 AM »
With the current state of the economy, we can't afford having the president racking up frequent flyer miles on Air Force 1 and the air fleet that accompanies him.  I cought a five minutes of a show about Air Force 1 the other day.  When Bush flew to Africa, the airport did not have a secure supply of quality-assured fuel, so we flew in 4 tanker trucks of fuel to refuel with.  I wonder just what the fuel cost for the air fleet is?  Then there is the cost of security, including paying for the security measures taken by the host country.  Maybe we should charge the news media for their seats to offset some of the cost.

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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2010, 05:58:07 AM »
I think foreign trips should be representative of our interests only.  No vacations overseas or family except maybe spouse only.  I also think these overseas trips should be approved by congress since they are so expensive. 

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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2010, 06:14:32 AM »
consider also he gets the protection for the rest of his life !

Hope he dosen't like it so much he goes back each year from now on  ???
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« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2010, 07:26:52 AM »
HEH. Huckabee said even at a $billion and over $ 200 million a day it still costs less with him gone. No excuse for tying up 40 planes and 34 warships. WHERE IS CONGRESS??? And once again I ask, why is he going???? POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2010, 08:18:34 AM »
HEH. Huckabee said even at a $billion and over $ 200 million a day it still costs less with him gone. No excuse for tying up 40 planes and 34 warships. WHERE IS CONGRESS??? And once again I ask, why is he going???? POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

well, the $200,000,000/day figure is absolutely bogus. Don't believe it.

Considering there are over 30 Navy ships, and aircraft carrier and a few battlewagons, I can see where the cost is well over a billion dollars. ---gypsyman

First of all, there are no more battlewagons in USN service, as the last of the Iowas was retired - again! - in the nineties. And ships always cost money, no matter what they're doing - more if they're underway, but that counts as training. I doubt they'll be burning all that much more fuel while the President is in India.

Bogus story, here, no matter who put it out. two hundred mil a day? Do the math, folks: if Prez actually DOES take 3000 people with him, and the cost is supposedly $200,000,000 per day... that comes to over $66,000 PER DAY, PER PERSON. There is not a chance that this figure is even remotely close to reality.

BS in this story.

Even the suckers here - no names mentioned! - should know better than to swallow this whopper - ain't it amazing, the things that prejudice and ideology will lead otherwise rational people to believe?
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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2010, 09:01:49 AM »
OK YT3, lets go with these figure's. Lets pick less than half that and pick 400 million. Some of that is YOUR tax money. Don't you give a damn!! It's stated in a news article that one of the reason's he's going is for business reasons. Shouldn't REAL businessman go on a trip like this. I think he's going over to try and shmooze some of those country's to try and pick up where China is at, in buying our debt. He knows that this moment in time, the next few months, is extremely critical. He just got his butt spanked in the election, and if a serious event were to take place, and the economy started falling faster than what it already is, he'll be lucky to not get tarred and feathered before his last 2 years are up. gypsyman
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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2010, 09:31:24 AM »
Going to India to open new markets for US products?  

What will those products be:  They will be machine tools, factories and other capital goods so that India can set up a manufacturing base to compete against what's left of US manufacturing.  The whole bogus creating new markets for US products was used by Bill Clinton when he took his fleet of planes and cultists to China in the 1990's.  Totally bogus. Everything we buy is now made in China.  What do we sell them?  Well the capital goods necessary to keep their own teeming hordes of low wage coolies working 12 hours per day to ensure the continued unemployment of American workers

The issue is not whether the daily cost is $200 per day or only $100 million per day. Given the magnitude of this venture, I can't imagine much less than that.  Remember, under Clinton it cost $50,000 to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom so it is not surprising that it would cost that much for each person whom Obama is taking with him.  

The Drudge Report reported that 34 naval ships were on patrol for Obama security.  The Navy denied it, blah, blah, blah.  Who knows?

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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2010, 10:51:33 AM »
YT, it could easily be $66,000 per person. 

1) He is taking his whole family. How many SS agent per person?
2) He is taking staff, how many?
3) He is taking bullet proof limos, several, don't remember how many.
4) The whole group going will take 40 planes, pilots, fuel, etc.
5) How many servants is he taking?
6) Military is involved.
7) Preperations before hand by SS and or others to ensure security. 
8) How many White House staffers is he taking?  Chefs, cooks, food, etc.

This is not your family vacation.  This is the president, some of his staff, his family.  Staff and SS agents have salarys to pay, not counting the plane flights, hotel and food. 

It is easy to get all this out of hand.  Bill Clinton took a $45,000,000 trip to Africa and he didn't take his family.

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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2010, 10:54:24 AM »
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that comes to over $66,000 PER DAY, PER PERSON. There is not a chance that this figure is even remotely close to reality.



HEH. He's taking michele and the kiddies too, she'lll spend a lot more than that on what she considers bare necessities. POWDERMAN.  :D :D
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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2010, 11:58:22 AM »
I would guess the ones who aren't onerned with this out of control spending are the zero liability voters.
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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2010, 02:37:06 AM »
Well boys and girls...this is looking more and more like a fugazi; another fantasy from the mind of Limbaaah, Hannity, and Bachman...source of the story was from an Indian reporter.  Maybe he was talking in Rupees per day... :D   Whatever.  Hopefully, Palin didn't get suckered into riding on this manure wagon.  Seems to be just an extremist lie from the right at this point. Maybe there's a conspiracy to bash the reputation and credibility of the Obama forces...you think!??
Good call yellowtail.

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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2010, 04:25:04 AM »
Hey, who gives a crap whether the cost of the trip is being reported correctly, or not, if it damages the Obamanation I'm good with that.   maybe they're just getting back some of the same medicine they dish out.  Anyway, it wasn't the right wing that made it up; they were just repeating what was out there

Most people now days don't take as gospel what they hear, or read in the news, or the internet and they shouldn't.  The facts are often far different than what is first reported, but there is usually a little grain of truth.  In this case there is more than a grain of truth that this administration is wasting money faster than it can be printed.  As long as the news is damaging to Obama--good.
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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2010, 04:41:54 AM »
Hey, who gives a crap whether the cost of the trip is being reported correctly, or not, if it damages the Obamanation I'm good with that. 

Who should give a crap about the diff between the truth and a lie? Well... those who value the truth.

What would Jesus say, to your position that a lie is a good thing, if it injures someone you don't like?
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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2010, 05:27:40 AM »
yellow. YAAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNN. Samosamo.  :P :P
I talked to some Navy friends, it's true, and they are really ticked. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2010, 06:14:15 AM »
yellow. YAAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNN. Samosamo.  :P :P

It is well established that you're wholly unconcerned with the truth, and could care less about what Jesus' position would be on lying for political gain. Go back to sleep, PowderPuff.
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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2010, 06:18:37 AM »
What is the annual cost of the Secret Service? $1.5 Billion. Buys a lot of Big Macs. You could make the case that the entire cost is on the Prez. It ain't cheap. George Washington never had the Secret Service and he died of natural causes.

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« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2010, 06:46:17 AM »
The administration is disputing the size and cost of the trip to India, but won't comment on what the true cost is because of security.  Bullcrap!
I suppose that with a detailed accounting, that you could cull the degree of security (or lack of). Money is spent anyway, get the details when it is over with.

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« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2010, 08:42:28 AM »
yellow. you seem obsessed by wondering what Jesus would do, or what would Jesus think in so many of your posts. If you really want to know about Jesus I suggest you read the Bible. If you don't have one I'm sure the library has several or someone here will send you one, free of charge of course. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2010, 09:35:23 AM »
The children did not go and other sources are saying closer to 10 million a day which is a bit less than 200. Remember radio hosts do a say things to keep those audience numbers up, a lot of drama and exaggerations.
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« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2010, 09:44:40 AM »
Interesting story about Obama in India.  Some Indians were stunned that he read off a teleprompter. They thought he was "trained orator."   It turns out, Obama is really just a trained seal.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Obama-to-use-teleprompter-for-Hindi-speech/H1-Article1-622605.aspx

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« Reply #53 on: November 06, 2010, 12:27:38 PM »
The children did not go and other sources are saying closer to 10 million a day which is a bit less than 200. Remember radio hosts do a say things to keep those audience numbers up, a lot of drama and exaggerations.
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« Reply #54 on: November 06, 2010, 01:30:15 PM »
Let me put on some salt or sugar for you Dem lovers reading this thread

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Clinton: Most Expensive Presidential Trip Ever
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Lameduck President's Continuing Globetrotting Forays

Latest Trip Pegged at $50 Million --

Most Expensive Presidential Trip Ever

March 30, 2000


There he goes again. Our globe-trotting president was flying high this month, traveling to Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Oman, and Switzerland. That brings the total out-of-country days for President Clinton, the Traveler-in-Chief, to 212. He's racked up visits to 66 countries -- some more than once -- and 2 territories not recognized as countries. He is, by any measure, the most traveled U.S. president ever.

And just how much is this latest foray estimated to cost the American taxpayer? ABC News, apparently relying on unnamed Pentagon sources, has reported a price tag: a cool $50 million -- the "most expensive overseas trip ever taken by a president," as they put it during the March 23 broadcast of World News Tonight. And because the newscast did not fully identify the costs, it is unclear if this estimate includes only military costs - or even only Air Force costs.

Meanwhile, Air Force Times also pegged the cost at $50 million [3/27/00], implying this figure reflects Air Force costs alone. The article also identifies the numbers and types of aircraft dedicated to the trip: 14 C-17 Globemaster IIIs; 12 C-5 Galaxys, 3 C-141 Starlifters; and 2 C-130 Hercules. In addition, 7 KC-10 Extenders and 39 KC-135 Stratotankers were to deploy. The return mission was to require the same types and numbers of assets with some exceptions, but to include an additional 10 Galaxys and 3 more Stratotankers.

ABC News' John McWethy, while traveling with the President -- who was accompanied by daughter Chelsea and his mother-in-law -- on the recent trip to South Asia, reported that:

"Ninety percent of the costs [cited by the World News Tonight anchor at $50 million] are for airplanes, drawn from an Air Force that is already stressed meeting military and humanitarian commitments overseas. When a President travels, all the public ever sees is Air Force One, but consider this: Seventy-seven other Air Force planes are being used on this one trip, including 26 of the biggest transports, C-5s and C-17s" [Emphasis added].


And just how much of our Air Force's assets does this represent? McWethy continued, "Military sources say that represents more than one-third of the Air Force's entire inventory of these planes that are ready to fly on any given day." As an interesting comparison, the U.S. Air Force has used only about a dozen planes to execute the most recent humanitarian relief effort to Mozambique -- where millions of lives were at stake, according to the same newscast.

The Marines also were called in to support this jaunt, as noted by the Washington Times on March 24:

"The U.S. military sent 10 CH-53 helicopters to India and Pakistan to support President Clinton's ongoing road trip. The large helicopters flew from the Marine Corps base at Kanehoe Bay, Hawaii, to ferry Mr. Clinton, daughter Chelsea and other friends of Bill.

"The helos arrived via giant U.S. Air Force C-5 transport aircraft. In addition, the Marines dispatched about 100 troops for air crews and support."

It is unclear whether ABC's or Air Force Times' estimate included the costs of these helicopters flown in from Hawaii, which - according to the General Accounting Office (GAO), the official auditor for Congress - cost $3,658 per hour to operate.

Pentagon Typically Pays for Large Portion of President's Overseas Trips

Previous investigations into President Clinton's travel record have found that a significant share of the cost of overseas trips comes out of the Pentagon's budget -- which the Clinton/Gore Administration has underfunded year after year. For instance, last year the GAO found that President Clinton's three trips in 1998 to Chile, China, and Africa alone cost a total of $72 million -- of which $60.5 million, or 84 percent, came out of the U.S. defense budget. And these figures include only incremental costs to the government, expressly excluding such ongoing expenses as payroll.

But the price tag is only one factor. Equally important is that these trips also tax our already stressed military assets, consistently deployed on far-flung, non-traditional military missions by this administration. Again, looking back to last year, one newspaper reported the President's travels throughout Africa required the Air Force to cancel or refuse 26 air missions that it would have flown in its regular duties, and postpone 30 others [St. Louis Post Dispatch, 1/10/99]. For the President's most recent excursion, so much of the Air Force's fleet was dedicated to the President's entourage that the Air Mobility Command was forced to send out "regrets" to other officials requesting aircraft [Air Force Times, 3/27/00].

The Air Force reportedly was to dedicate about 460 flying missions to the recent South Asia trip [Air Force Times, 3/27/00]. Compare that to the President's very costly 12-day trip to Africa in 1998 when the military flew 214 missions, as documented by GAO.

Security Costs Are Over and Above Transportation and Logistical Costs

In its extensive review last year, the GAO expressly did not include costs related to assuring the President's security. Secret Service costs, for example, are classified. And, so likely such costs are not included in the estimate recently cited by ABC News and Air Force Times. But, clearly there are additional costs, especially when traveling to such countries as Pakistan. The logistics for the President's arrival in Islamabad, Pakistan alone are mind-boggling. The Washington Post [3/26/00] reported the extraordinary measures taken to ensure the President's safety:

"In Pakistan, the officially marked plane landed first and taxied to the welcoming spot in front of journalists, and, as cameras clicked and whirred, several men in suits got off. The first, a large man with thick gray hair, bore a resemblance to Clinton but was actually a Secret Service agent.

"Suddenly, the unmarked plane approached the airport -- from the opposite direction from which the marked plane had come -- and made a swift, low landing. Before Clinton disembarked, a large black limousine pulled between him and the platform of journalists."

This example is merely illustrative of the security measures required for this one stop on this trip, and is not meant to criticize the need to ensure the President's safety during overseas travels.

It's a Privilege, Not a Perk

No one disputes the need for the President of the United States, as the leader of the free world, to travel overseas. However, Clinton as the most traveled President ever, who is spending extraordinary sums of limited defense dollars in the process, appears to consider these events as one long road trip, rather than an executive privilege. Recall the White House's Joe Lockhart noting to the press corps last fall that Panama was among the few nations Clinton had not visited, but then cavalierly remarked, "There are a few places still left on the list he hasn't been, and we have 15 months to rectify that" [Federal News Service: White House briefing, 10/19/99]. Given his track record, we expect they will.

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« Reply #55 on: November 07, 2010, 03:43:11 AM »
Hey, who gives a crap whether the cost of the trip is being reported correctly, or not, if it damages the Obamanation I'm good with that. 

Who should give a crap about the diff between the truth and a lie? Well... those who value the truth.

What would Jesus say, to your position that a lie is a good thing, if it injures someone you don't like?

There is one thing I've learned from the Dumocrats; politics ain't tiddlywinks and all's fair.  It's not how you play the game--it's who wins that counts.  So I'll let Jesus worry about truth as I worry about the future of our country.

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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2010, 03:56:51 AM »
This is the New Obama.  You will see him now as an international figure head.  Obama has lost big time as savior of the United States.  He will turn away from his dismal failures as President of the United States.  The Big Socialist World leaders will embrace him.  Obama will take his place as world leader of the Socialist cause.  It will be another failure for the Obama movement, but that is where this is headed.

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  Range rider probably hit the nail right on the head...and that is why the Obammy is trying to sell us out to the world...

   

          "Not since the pharohs or theRoman emperors has a head of state travelled in such pomp"   (London Daily Mail)

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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #57 on: November 07, 2010, 05:01:42 AM »
He could be scouting out a place to move to after the 2012 election
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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #58 on: November 07, 2010, 04:21:22 AM »
He's wasting MILLIONS of $ of our money in foreign countries and says he's bringing jobs to America. Go figger. POWDERMAN.   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Obama needs 40 planes to visit India.
« Reply #59 on: November 07, 2010, 02:19:41 PM »
Maybe he positioning to run for president of India. He's likely more comfortable living in slop hole like that anyway. He can peddle his BS there with much more success.
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