I dont get the NRA's reasoning

[bilmac]

I think we all need to be NRA members, just like all conservatives need to be Republicans. There is strength in numbers and they have real clout. If you don't agree with what they are doing then change them, you have your chance to vote, or if you are really unhappy, be an activist and be like the tea party, but don't be a quitter. Politicians listen to the NRA, they probably have never even heard of Gun Owners Of America.

[nw_hunter]

I think we all need to be NRA members, just like all conservatives need to be Republicans. There is strength in numbers and they have real clout. If you don't agree with what they are doing then change them, you have your chance to vote, or if you are really unhappy, be an activist and be like the tea party, but don't be a quitter. Politicians listen to the NRA, they probably have never even heard of Gun Owners Of America.

OH! They have heard of the GOA! Joining a true defender of our right to keep and bear arms, is not being a quitter............Just the opposite.

If you want to defend an Organization, that repetitively signs on with gun grabbers, then do so!
I know you will, because anyone that makes a statement like..... All Conservatives need to be Republicans, is beyond reason.

 Candidates backed by Gun Owners of America scored tremendous wins in Tuesday’s elections.

In many cases, GOA was the ONLY national pro-gun organization to actively oppose Nancy Pelosi’s “Blue Dog” Democrats.

Our aggressive opposition to these Representatives – who are mistakenly considered to be somewhat conservative – was well worth the effort as Pelosi has now been reduced to minority status.

You can go to the GOA website — at http://gunowners.org/goa-victories.htm — to see the dozens of new GOA-backed Senators and Representatives that will be serving you.

Some of the highlights include:
California, Dist. 19 — Jeff Denham
Florida, Senate — Marco Rubio
Florida, Dist. 22 — Allen West
Minnesota, Dist. 8 — Chip Cravaack
Missouri, Dist. 4 — Vicky Hartzler
Ohio, Dist. 6 — Bill Johnson
Virginia, Dist. 9 — Morgan Griffith
Washington, Dist. 2 — John Koster

These are patriots who will be protecting the Constitution and your gun rights for years to come. Ask them, if they have ever heard of the Gun Owners Of America!

[Range Rider]

New Hunter, why would you rather side with the Kennedy Family, George Soris who just gave the Anti-gunners 1 MIllion bucks to fight the NRA.  The Sara Lee Foods Co., Hall mark Cards, Ford Foundition, United Mithodist Church, ACLU the Natl. Democratic Pary, American Workers Party. The list of supporters against the NRA with Big Dollars is amazing.  You standing up for the Big Unions who elected Harry Ried spent their money and brought in the votes. These Unions gave big time to the Antigun folks.  I did not see any one from the NRA doing anything for Ried.  Harry Ried for all his faults has never attacked the gun owners of America.  Why arn't you after the Service Workers Unions of Neveda who got Ried elected?? could it be you are more pro- union than NRA?  You don't seem to know that that those of us who support the NRA with our dollars are not as well finanaced as the Big Unions and left wing companies who agree with you.  No the NRA does not have the Big Dollars that or enemies have, no way.  The NRA is the only pro gun group that has Natl. Trng. for Insts of all types and holds all the Natl. match competition.  We do Trng. for Boy scouts up thru Police Depts, to the Military.  We spend much of our budget on fire safety Trng. and our Natl. NRA Inst. Program know as the best civilan Inst program in the world.  We also take time to fight for single issue fire arms only political programs.  Where is the other gun owner groups spending all their money??? I have never heard or seen any of their Inst. programs shooting compt. etc. They never seem to show up at any pro gun  rallies that I have attended. You have an agenda attacking the NRA but we will win over fellows like your self we always have.

RR

[Norm1057]

There can be NO compromise on Constitutional Rights! I quit the NRA when they went down this road and will not return. The Concealed Carry laws they have pushed are one such compromise that should never have happened!

The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed.

[saddlebum]

Why arn't you after the Service Workers Unions of Neveda who got Ried elected?? could it be you are more pro- union than NRA?
quote; RR


Who do you think the NRA endorsed??
Who do you think helped Reid get elected???

Yep RR, you sure have enlightened me to the mentality of the NRA.

Thanks alot for the lesson. You sure learned me a thing or two!   

[steg]

I also gave up on the NRA, when I received the American Rifleman issue with the suggestions on who to vote for and they supported That usless Kanjorski over a good man in Lou Barletta, if you remember he was the Mayor of Hazleton that went up against the Illegals here and was shot down by the ACLU, while Kanjorski did nothing but hand out pork, and nepotism durring his reign was running amok. The NRA will never see another dime of my money, and I never in my life thought I would be making such a statement, heck I was one of their best campainers...........................steg

[SHOOTALL]

But what was his record on guns ?
We must get different issues of the same mag. Mine only offered a grade on how they voted with relation to gun laws . I didn't see where they said VOTE FOR THIS PERSON .

[Dee]

For the governors race here in Ohio they have endorsed the democrat incumbant Ted Strickland. They give him an "A" rating and his running mate has an "F" rating.

His opponent John Kasich has a "B" rating and his running mate has an "A" rating.

If we average the candidates and thier running mates grades the Strickland ticket gets a "C" overall while the Kasich ticket gets a "B" overall.

So would the NRA care to explain to me why I should vote for the endorsed candidate with the lower overall grade?

The election is now officially over. Did ya get that explanation yet? Didn't think so. Quit sendin money to the NRA and put it where it will do some good. Buy a shovel.

[Range Rider]

I want to thank all of you anti-NRA gentleman.  I need your help in diarming Americans.  I have spent millions tearing down the NRA.  It was only thru help of men like you that we were able to disarm Europe.
Thanks again your Friend Geo.

[nw_hunter]

New Hunter, why would you rather side with the Kennedy Family, George Soris who just gave the Anti-gunners 1 MIllion bucks to fight the NRA.  The Sara Lee Foods Co., Hall mark Cards, Ford Foundition, United Mithodist Church, ACLU the Natl. Democratic Pary, American Workers Party. The list of supporters against the NRA with Big Dollars is amazing.  You standing up for the Big Unions who elected Harry Ried spent their money and brought in the votes. These Unions gave big time to the Antigun folks.  I did not see any one from the NRA doing anything for Ried.  Harry Ried for all his faults has never attacked the gun owners of America.  Why arn't you after the Service Workers Unions of Neveda who got Ried elected?? could it be you are more pro- union than NRA?  You don't seem to know that that those of us who support the NRA with our dollars are not as well finanaced as the Big Unions and left wing companies who agree with you.  No the NRA does not have the Big Dollars that or enemies have, no way.  The NRA is the only pro gun group that has Natl. Trng. for Insts of all types and holds all the Natl. match competition.  We do Trng. for Boy scouts up thru Police Depts, to the Military.  We spend much of our budget on fire safety Trng. and our Natl. NRA Inst. Program know as the best civilan Inst program in the world.  We also take time to fight for single issue fire arms only political programs.  Where is the other gun owner groups spending all their money??? I have never heard or seen any of their Inst. programs shooting compt. etc. They never seem to show up at any pro gun  rallies that I have attended. You have an agenda attacking the NRA but we will win over fellows like your self we always have.

RR

More BS RR! Truth is I see more and more NRA members fed up with them and joining groups like the GOA.
Some people........I guess are just not capable of seeing the truth when it stares them in the face.

I was a member of the NRA for years, and have never been a union member, so go peddle your BS to  like minded people.Wayne L. and Cris C. will be laughing at you folks, all the way to the bank, while they sell gun owners down the tube a little at a time!

 

[SHOOTALL]

Killing the NRA would be like killing your bird dog. You won't have a 1/10 the coverage you once had !

[45-70.gov]

 the democrat incumbant Ted Strickland.
is the  token democrat  so  the NRA  does not look to be partisan

maybe they  need to help the democrats ...because
if we  didn't have democrats  we  would need the NRA
not  too  many anti gun republicans to matter

read  my signature  BELOW

''DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT''

[nw_hunter]

the democrat incumbant Ted Strickland.
is the  token democrat  so  the NRA  does not look to be partisan

maybe they  need to help the democrats ...because
if we  didn't have democrats  we  would need the NRA
not  too  many anti gun republicans to matter

read  my signature  BELOW

''DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT''

Might want to change that to.........Do what ever it takes to stop a Liberal, and these day's there are quite a few of them in the Republican party and NRA too.

[lakota]

Well I have to admit I am pretty much a 1 issue voter-the 2nd Amendment.

I am a male, white, middle class. I know that no politician will ever do anything for me due to that fact.

However they can take something away from me-my freedom to keep and bear arms. I love shooting and reloading and everything that goes along with it. I am a cerifiable "gun nut" I shoot everything from flintlocks to those "evil assualt rifles."

Therefore I will NEVER vote for a democrat under any circumstances. If they truly believed in RKBA they would not be a member of that party with it's track record on RKBA issues.

I'll vote libertarian I'll vote Constitution Party I'll vote republican but I will never vote democrat.
 
Democrats are the enemies of personal liberty IMO.

So please excuse me if I get pi$$ed of when a gun rights organization that I have to send money to every year tells me to vote for a democrat

[45-70.gov]

Well I have to admit I am pretty much a 1 issue voter-the 2nd Amendment.

I am a male, white, middle class. I know that no politician will ever do anything for me due to that fact.

However they can take something away from me-my freedom to keep and bear arms. I love shooting and reloading and everything that goes along with it. I am a cerifiable "gun nut" I shoot everything from flintlocks to those "evil assualt rifles."

Therefore I will NEVER vote for a democrat under any circumstances. If they truly believed in RKBA they would not be a member of that party with it's track record on RKBA issues.

I'll vote libertarian I'll vote Constitution Party I'll vote republican but I will never vote democrat.
 
Democrats are the enemies of personal liberty IMO.

So please excuse me if I get pi$$ed of when a gun rights organization that I have to send money to every year tells me to vote for a democrat

i  agree  100%

mccain  and  a few gun week  republicans  don't change a thing

those RINO type  need to be dealt with in the primaries
something you can't  do  a a libertarian or constitution party meeting

[SHOOTALL]

lakota , if you are a one issue voter and the Democrat canidate  is 100% for guns and the Republican or 3rd party canidate has been less for guns then what do you do ?
The NRA only gives their record on how they have voted , or if new how they claim they will vote or would not take the survey . How is that telling you how to vote ?
Just asking .

[lakota]

lakota , if you are a one issue voter and the Democrat canidate  is 100% for guns and the Republican or 3rd party canidate has been less for guns then what do you do ?
The NRA only gives their record on how they have voted , or if new how they claim they will vote or would not take the survey . How is that telling you how to vote ?
Just asking .

Never ran into that situation if I did I would be forced to vote third party in the following order: 1-Libertarian 2-Constitution. If none of those options were availiable I would either write a name in or not cast a vote.

A few years ago when Sherrod Brown was challenging Mike DeWine for his senate seat I treated that race like the joke that it was and wrote a vote in for Chuck Norris.

It is my personal belief that any "pro gun" democrats will fall right in and march in step with the rest of the party if it ever comes down to outright ban and confiscation of personal weapons

[lakota]

And I'll admit 10 or 12 years ago I would take that NRA voter guide to the polls with me and vote for the endorsed candidates-not anymore when it comes to individual liberty there can be no compromise.

Dont remember who said it but "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" is one of my favorite quotes.

[Pat/Rick]

I hope the day never comes that we are told to disarm. I will be labelled criminal. Will wayne lapew be at my side fighting tyranny, or will he be picking out a new armeni suit?

[SHOOTALL]

By then he will most likely be in a re education camp to stop his evil gun ways with most of us ! 
 Wearing a black and white striped suit !

[southernutah]

lakota , if you are a one issue voter and the Democrat canidate  is 100% for guns and the Republican or 3rd party canidate has been less for guns then what do you do ?
The NRA only gives their record on how they have voted , or if new how they claim they will vote or would not take the survey . How is that telling you how to vote ?
Just asking .

SHOOTALL   think we are wasting time here, show them 50+s and they give you 1- and a reason to not support. The old term seperate and conquer. There are not enough members in all the other so called defenders to make a difference like the NRA. All the firearm manufactures and suppliers push the NRA, do you think they just do it for fun, they do it because NRA is protecting our right to bear arms and their backs. Reid only got voted back in because Angle got to racest in her adds and the Unions with their money and all the hispanic workers did the trick. Reid only took 2 counties but that is were the big votes were.

[SHOOTALL]

Yea ! but if one shooter is on the fence about support its important to post the positive side when the negative comes out. I have ask many times who if not the NRA and not one poster has offered one with the assets , power or skill that the NRA brings to the fight . I don't care for every thing the NRA does but its the 800 pound gorilla on our side .

[Range Rider]

Shootall,These left wing plants have invaded every shooting forum on the Web.  They are skilled to some degree in posting.  They always claim to have been NRA members who have seen the light.  They are the same people who are posting this Anti-Gun  propaganda on other forums under different names.  They are mostly carry overs from the Carter, Clinton, Kennedy supporters who blame the NRA for their defeat at the polls.  Well on that point they are correct.  Please don't respond by telling us you are a non-union working guy concerned about our well fare.

RR

[lakota]

Ya got me RR! I am a left wing plant even though I just said that I would not vote democrat under any circumstances. But please dont tell my family and friends! I have them fooled into thinking I am a right wing extremist. You see it has been a life long plot of mine-the room full of guns and reloading equipment and components all the hunting and fishing the concealed carry activisim I am waiting for the right moment to spring my liberal trap!

I hear you guys load and clear-When it comes to the NRA critical and independent thought is dangerous thing.

Back to my original(but now solved by the recent election)problem-
Candidate A for governor has an "A" rating while his running mate has an "F" rating
Candidate B for governor has a "B" rating while his running mate has an "A" rating
Candidate A gets the NRA endorsement and if we elect their candidate we are left with the scenario of being a heartbeat away from having a governor with an "F" rating. It just doesnt make any sense to me. But I guess that makes me a left wing plant.

[southernutah]

one last time- this is from the NRA webb site- I am typing slow so it should be easy to read.......little humor


With release of the grades and endorsements today at www.NRAPVF.org, here once again is additional information on how our grades and endorsements are issued.  

NRA is non-partisan in issuing its candidate grades and endorsements.  We base our political decisions solely on gun-related issues, as we are a single-issue organization.  By not taking into account political party affiliation and/or non-gun-related issues, we ensure we do not divide our base of support that is united in its support for the Second Amendment.

We have an incumbent-friendly policy that dictates our support for pro-gun incumbents seeking reelection over pro-gun challengers, as voting records trump statements in support of the Second Amendment.  We stand with our friends who stand with us in Congress or the state legislature.  We would lose all credibility if we abandoned our friends who have stood by us.  Of course, should a pro-gun challenger win his election, then he will be the beneficiary of this policy when he seeks re-election.  

For candidates who are not incumbents, or who have not previously held elective office, we review answers to NRA's candidate questionnaires.  NRA staff also interviews candidates, reviews campaign literature and candidate statements, and factors in intelligence from local NRA members.

All of this information is then reviewed and a grade of A to F is issued.  Endorsements are not given in every race, as in addition to a candidate's positions on gun-related issues, NRA staff also has to take into account other factors like a candidate's viability and campaign organization.  Our endorsement is not given lightly; it is something that is reserved for those candidates who meet certain criteria and thresholds.  It must be earned.

Our endorsements are recommendations only.  We understand and respect that voters will decide for themselves how important non-gun-related issues are, and on which issues they will base their final voting decisions.  Our job is to provide the clearest information possible on a candidate's stance on Second Amendment-related issues and to encourage our members and supporters to "Vote Freedom First!" on Election Day.

[jimster]

I just want to know if the NRA supported Veterans Disarmament Act....?  I'm not sure, I have read it, but want to know for sure.

I am worried about them anti gunners being real fast to say "ptsd"...and take way their rights to firearms for the rest of their lives, when they don't deserve it or may not be a threat to anyone with firearms. Might turn out like some cities that are trying to tell people they can't own guns because a police officer showed up to a couple's house for a spat...they just make up their own rules as they go along.  Could be some young man comes back from Iraq and can't stand to sit in traffic and goes around everyone...next thing ya know they take all his damn guns away...!!  You know how it works.

LA Times
January 9, 2008

A rare piece of gun legislation finds the National Rifle Association and the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence on the same side, and President Bush signed such a bill Tuesday.

Gun Owners of America did not support it, this I know.

We already had laws in place to keep crazy people from having guns....this was a law on top of a law that can be spun anyway they want to spin it.
And the people that get to choose if this soldier has a gun? What are the chances they are anti gun? That's a lot of power to have eh?
   


 

[Dee]

The Veterans Disarmament Act, & the good ole NRA? No problem.


There ya go.

www.gunowners.org/a122007.htm

[saddlebum]

Way to go jimster and Dee!
I wonder if they have an explanation for that or will they continue to just call us stupid names and make stuff up about us.
All while saluting the NRA flag and declaring that they are more patriotic than NRA quitters like me.
I mean, who is the left wing plant,.......really?

(attn; RR)

[Dee]

Actually saddlebum, if someone doesn't make sense in the first place, I really don't care what they think of me. I have already, pretty much tuned them out. At my age, I'm gonna do, what I'm gonna do, and there ain't much anyone can do about.
I have a lot more behind me, than in front of me, and if don't look and feel right, I ain't participation.
Then NRA is like the government. It is not what it once was. There are folks by the millions that vote for the Democratic Party for what it once was, (what ever that was), and others vote for the Republican Party for what it once was (what ever that was).
There are folks here and else where that will defend the NRA if it takes a dump on their kitchen table, and swear it was necessary. I have not the slightest concern that they blindly send their money in to pay for the next big huntin trip somewhere for the NRA big shots and their guests. Then the supporters can read all about it in that cheesy little magazine they get, if they can wade thru all the advertisements and find it. It's their money, they can blow it any way they want to. This little bit of truth will not sway them in the least. They will tear into me, or ignore me, and I will continue to laugh my butt off, at such "blind unwillingness" to accept the truth.

[45-70.gov]

lakota , if you are a one issue voter and the Democrat canidate  is 100% for guns and the Republican or 3rd party canidate has been less for guns then what do you do ?
The NRA only gives their record on how they have voted , or if new how they claim they will vote or would not take the survey . How is that telling you how to vote ?
Just asking .

if  all  those that wondered  of to 3rd parties.........'[myself included]
VOTED IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES

then  folks  like  john  mccain  would be a non-issue
and  even  a 100% gun friendly democrat  should not be voted for because....
he  would  help other  un-friendly democrats