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obamacare will fine drs for putting patients first.
« on: October 31, 2010, 01:46:34 PM »
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The govt will decide if it is cost effective to treat you. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2010, 01:54:46 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2010, 03:09:27 PM »
PM, did we really expect anything different?
Then there are those pro Obama health care people that still can't see the forest because of the trees.
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2010, 04:24:48 PM »
The new health care deal is full of fines.  If you challenge any of them in a court, they will just call them taxes instead of fines.



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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2010, 05:24:19 PM »
DDZ. No, about what I expected. My family dr said that he and others are having to take a hard look at whether they will stay in business. Another dr said he will have to work an EXTRA 32 hrs a week to pay for obamacare. POWDERMAN.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2010, 07:06:10 PM »
Death panels, here we come.  The Demonrats said the Republican plan was for people to die quickly.    The Dems were actually telling us their policy!!  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Wake up, America, and smell the coffee!!
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2010, 04:27:38 AM »
The dems would love to see the older, and wiser, generations die off quickly. The younger generations have been brainwashed for several generations now and have grown so pc that their minds are easily influenced. Get my drift???? POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2010, 06:57:02 AM »
Mr. Powder, I have to respectively take exception with your statement "Democrats want to see the older die off quickly".  I seem to recollect that the Democrats led the way on the passage of Medicare which has coinsided with the rise in average life span in America.  I don't claim to be an expert in anything much less the healthcare bill, but I do know the impact that the uninsured currently have on my insurance bill.  Our health insurance currently costs us  $1,800 a month.  Our local hospital is only collecting 10% of the bills from the unisured patients.  The remaining 90% is added to the hospital rates. This amounts to millions of $$ annually that has to paid by insurance holding patients like myself just at our local hospital.  And this is why my insurance has gone up between 10%-30% a year. 

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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2010, 07:13:36 AM »
PASS LAKE. The dems then and now are 2 entirely different critters. Not sure when medicaid came about but the dem party I grew up knowing left me many years ago. They have become the party of death for babies, promoting homosexuality, and refuses to trust private law abiding citizens to own or posess the means to defend ourselves. Yes, they used to care about America, those days are long gone. Now they care only about power and total control of the masses. They buy votes with liberal attitudes and welfare or other govt gimmees. I still believe they want the older folks, those with sense, morals, and family values dead. Things like morality and values scares them, they see that as a threat to their control.  POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2010, 07:56:11 AM »
I don't have any medical insurance because I can not afford it on my limited income. And when they charge such outragouse prices for just anything at a hospital or even the doctors office because they know the insurance will pay it out. I had a heart attack this year and a helecoptor ride from Elko to Reno, which is only a couple hundred miles, is costing me $42,595.00. Come on, one pilot and one emt and a nurse plus the cost of operating that little helicoptor for an hours flight costing 0ver 42 thousand dollars? Some one is making money at the expense of sick or dieing people.I said I would have the wife drive me to Reno but they wouldn't allow it. So much for personal freedom there.And why does it cost $235 dollars for a blood draw to do a cholesteral check?
 The doctors told me to drive up to Elko for a post hospital check and I couldn't see the doctor because I only had 100 bucks on me and they wanted a minimum of 200 to see the doc. I just told them to stuff it all where the sun don't shine and I guess if I die I die and my number was or is up. I don't really support Obama care the way it is as such or Obama at all but it is beyond my or your control. They will get their money I guess but a nickle a month til the day I die......Walt

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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2010, 08:28:57 AM »
NVWALT. I'm sorry for your health problems Sir. Same here, no insurance, can't afford it. I easily qualified for disability but my wife is disabled and her meds run $500-600 a month. If I signed up for it I could get it, then she would lose hers, because we are MARRIED. I said, what if we were just shacking up??? SS lady said, then it would be no problem. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2010, 08:49:48 AM »
I know what you mean Powderman,
 My late wife and I went through the same thing. When I was working and got in enough hours it was ok because my insurance would kick in but never when I needed it . Things always happened a few days after my insurance had expired. Her meds were also $800 a month and the best reliefe I got from that was to get my meds from Costco. It was a staggering $500 dollar reduction on my med bills. Why is it that at Buy Rite and every other pharmacy the pills cost $800 and then the same ones after I switched to Costco were only $300 a month? Someone is making a fortune and it isn't the poor working man or woman.
 Also about getting a divorce to help would have worked but my wife and I had beem married since we were in high school. So it wasn't an option for us as we have very strong beliefes in the sanctity of marriage.
 One wonders what will befall the citizens of the U.S.with all this political curroption and control.
I do know that if I get really sick I can just walk into a bank across some stateline border and rob it and sit outside to be arrested and sent to a Federal prison where I will have no problems about healthcare or anything else one worries about when they get older.
 Anyways, the insurance industry is the largest unregulated buisiness in the U.S. as I have been told by many. I may be wrong on that but that's what I am told anyways....Walt

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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2010, 09:32:21 AM »
I know what you mean Powderman,
 
 Also about getting a divorce to help would have worked but my wife and I had beem married since we were in high school. So it wasn't an option for us as we have very strong beliefes in the sanctity of marriage.
Walt

I don't want to derail this thread, but I do want to ask and maybe help in the same Question
Do you believe in Church OR State ;D


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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2010, 09:45:49 AM »
Medicaid became party of modern Democartic ideology as part of LBJ's "Great Society", as did Medicare.   The reason the hospital rates are so high is because so many people abuse the hospital ER as a clinic, instead of going to privately funded clinics or signing up for Medicaid.  There is a piece of federal legislation, known as EMTALA, requiring hospitals to treat any person who signs into the ER, regardless of their ability to pay the bill, regardless of income or immigration status.  This legislation, btw, was signed by President Reagan.  These people also know that they are not required to pay the bill, even though they signed a legally binding contract.  Debt collection laws favor the consumer.  All the consumer is required to send a written notification to "cease and desist" any contact including further collection notices.  They just have to keep doing it for seven years till it falls off credit report and, Voila!, free healthcare has been given.  It is a Mexican's wildest dream, as they abuse ERs in the Southwestern states of CA, AZ, NM, and TX.

The way I see it, there are several things that need to be done to reform healthcare.

1.  Repeal Obamacare or defund the program.
2.  Repeal EMTALA and replace with legislation requiring patients to provide proof of citizenship or resident alien status.  The hint here is to deny healthcare to illegal aliens, undocumented workers, "new Americans", or whatever the hell you want to call them.
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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2010, 09:52:04 AM »
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3. Repeal the Debt Collection Practices Act and replace with legislation that allows creditors and collection organizations to seize assets at fair market value as forfeiture in the event of lawsuits and judgments.
4. Enact legislation that will authorize insurance carriers to sell their products across state lines.  Insurance carriers will have access to a larger customer base, and the market will drive prices down as the supply of policy issuers will increase and drive down demand.
5. Enact federal legislation to freeze federal Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement at 2008 price levels based on procedure codes and DRG rates.  This will save approximately 6% per year right off the top.

That is all I can think of at this time, but I will post any more ideas as they come.

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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2010, 10:10:51 AM »
If anyone were to read the health care bill they would know there is nothing in there but more corruption, nothing is going to give 30 million people health care, they still have what they always had, now we will just have 10 times the problems and expense we have before.  All of the legislation they have been passing for years is nothing like the titles they put on them, far as Dems go, they are dead, this Dem party is the same as any communist party anywhere on earth, it's in the legislation...all you need to do is read it. (the Dems were never far off from communism anyways) Not sure if the Republicans have always been dead, but close to it...they will always faint to the right, and move to the left in the legislation they sign as well. It's all about money, who has control of the federal reserve really.  Republicans have not been in control of congress much in the last 60 years, I can't imagine things being a whole lot better if they would have. It takes up time to faint to the right and go left is all.  The people we have now are just making a straight line run to total communism with no fainting in any other direction.

Yes, they figure you'll be better off dead, and they will be better off money wise after that, should not be real hard to figure out.  If the things they legislate don't work out they will eventually just have to kill you outright...that is coming as well.  That will come by exec order eventually. First thing they have to do is lower the guns and ammo count in the U.S...cause right now is not a good time to just outright try to kill us all, they will pass more legislation to get to this point over the next several years.  If they were to try to kill us all today they could lose...or take on way too many casualties.  They are not stupid.

I'm glad I am old, because there is only way way to lick these people, it's not through voting...it will be the same way we got our freedom in the first place.
We may not see this in our lifetime...but our young people will.  After the elections are over and if Obama loses the house, you will see how fast these people can move. They might just decide to grab our retirements funds and do a Cap and Trade all at once...on their way out. I would not put it past them.

And the above is only one little problem compared to many others...we have been invaded by multiple types of people from all over the world on all sides of our borders. This could very well be intentional...so that the corrupt ones can move ahead with their main agenda even faster.

 
 

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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2010, 10:52:55 AM »
Bottom line is the workers can no longer support the non workers . The baby boomers are getting old . Best way to cut cost is cut old folks  ;).
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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2010, 11:18:58 AM »
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The govt will decide if it is cost effective to treat you. POWDERMAN

Without seeing more information than what posted (not exactly an unbiased website) I think this may be somewhat misrepresented like the supposed "health death panel" was. Besides my Blue Cross Blue shield plan does a lot of this already along with other insurance companies.
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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2010, 02:42:10 PM »
Bottom line is the workers can no longer support the non workers . The baby boomers are getting old . Best way to cut cost is cut old folks  ;).



BINGO, enter obamacare. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2010, 02:51:30 PM »
Also, do not forget that Obamacare does not apply to members of Congress. They have a special health plan.

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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2010, 03:14:29 PM »
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Without seeing more information than what posted (not exactly an unbiased website) I think this may be somewhat misrepresented like the supposed "health death panel" was.

If you read it (the house bill)....all a death panel is, is someone (appointed) gets to decide what happens if you or a loved one if serious help is needed.  
Our panel was the sons and mom, we decided what to do after they suggested all the options.  Only one opinon counted, ours, and they did what we told them to do. In the orginal house bill, they "hep" you out some here in deciding. Call it what you want...after you read it. Most people won't, take at least a week to skim through that mess of regulation...but you will understand what you read, they just tell us we are too stupid to understand it in the hope nobody will take the time to read it. Guess they are right about that.  

Now some people will say that's not a death panel really, some will say it sure sounds like it. If anyone else would have got involved in what we decided one way or the other, I would have to say I would not have gone for that at all. Glad there was nobody involved in what we decided. We didn't need their help or anyone telling us what to do.

Not to worry...some Democrats are now promising to "reform" the health care they wrote up if we keep them there. Well if that don't beat all... ;)
I bet they fix it up real good.

I am not recommending reading any legisaltion either, once you do you will never be the same person, you might even take up drinking.
Maybe it's best just to read what people put on the internet, it's a helliva lot safer to not know really what's in that stuff.  
Or you can wait for Nancy Polosi to tell you what was in it after she finds out, she wasn't sure either it seems.  She signed it just to find out... ;D

Anything more than 5 pages long can't be good...and can't be cheap.


 

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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2010, 07:06:16 PM »
Jimster: You have read all 1,990 pages of the healthcare law?  If you have, I am truly impressed.  Based on your comments you seemed to have missed a few points.

It sounds like NVWalt and Powderman will benefit from having healthcare.

Swampthing:  Hospitals are already losing money on Medicare and Medicaid.  They are currently reimbursed between 40-45% of their fees.  The hospital recovers this loss from commercial insurance patients.  Freezing their reimbursement rates at 2008 levels will mean even greater losses for the hospitals that would have to be passed on to commercial insurance holders.   And this will drive up their insurance rates even higher. If I understand you correctly, you are also suggesting people's homes be taken because they can't pay their hospital bill.  I don't see how this is an improvement over the health care law.

We may have self imposed death panels because we can't afford health care and we choose to die because we can't pay the bill.

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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2010, 04:07:08 AM »
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Jimster: You have read all 1,990 pages of the healthcare law?  If you have, I am truly impressed.  Based on your comments you seemed to have missed a few points.

Pass...I read the entire original house bill yes...it was not as big as the finished product, but it was enough pages to make you want to puke.  Also read the entire Stim package...ALERT...it was not really a stim package. Guess if you read that you know that too...a scam. 

Also went back and read some more horrible things that were passed under the previous administration.

I don't know if you have read any of the legislation, if you have, you have missed the entire point...it is all corrupt and has massive amounts of waste, and a lot of it is unconsitutional. They could have just given 30 milion people health care for the rest of their lives for 1/10 of the corruption and waste...but hey, who needs a calculator these days right?  Nobody ever uses one anymore up that way.

If you have not read it...your comments won't mean much to anyone who has. There can be no debate.   
Our government is one of the most corrupt governments in the entire world now. Here is another clue, your congress is not writing this legislation either...do you ever wonder who is??? 

If you want to read some scary things, read the Patriot act...all of it.
You could go back 25 years and find gobs of corruption and waste in all the legislation too...but I can tell you honestly...there is nothing as corrupt as the last several years....and the HC bill does not have JACK to do about health care....it's about corruption, power and money.  Health care is only the title.

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« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2010, 04:45:56 AM »
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Hospitals are already losing money on Medicare and Medicaid.  They are currently reimbursed between 40-45% of their fees.  The hospital recovers this loss from commercial insurance patients.



PASS LAKE. Hearing that is getting old. The illegals and other criminals pay NOTHING, thats where the real money is lost. And, theres never an excuse for a $25- $30  aspirin. I don't begrudge most drs one thin dime, but some of the charges that hospitols levy are totally ridiculous.
JIMSTER. I'm impressed that you had the tenacity to read all that garbage, my hats off to you Sir.  Insurance companies now tell drs what they can and can't do. Unless you have cash in hand the best care is not available, and with bambamcare it will get much worse. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2010, 06:51:18 AM »
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JIMSTER. I'm impressed that you had the tenacity to read all that garbage, my hats off to you Sir.


Not really all that big a deal Powderman...lot's of people read books every day, read the papers, read the internet...A while back I figured I best read the legislation, you just read some everyday for a bunch of days, you can skim over a lot of it and let things catch your eye and dive into that. I'd probably get
get an D if I had to take a test on it. But I am way ahead of anyone who tries to say it's not corrupt that has not read it at all....and maybe a couple steps ahead of most of congress and the president, who gets paid to read it.  Lot's of it is designed like lawyer talk, left open to interpretation and references, this is done on purpose so they can do anything they want anytime they want...LOL!!  But it's plain as day what they are up to if your looking.
Yes...I'm sure I missed some things, lots of things...but at least there are things I know for sure now.
There is no excuse for the gobs of money they spend, it belongs to us. And the title of their bills mean nothing and has nothing to do with what goes in there.  Never did I guess...I bet if you go back 30 years it's the same deal...fancy title on the bill, and chuck full of our money being sent to God knows where that has nothing to do with the title of the bills.

I drink more now, I think it had an effect on me!  I'll likely not read anymore for a long time, till they get their stuff down to 5 pages or less....I'll just plan on corruption until then. 

Gotta go vote about an hour...wife called me up, said they worded the proposals bass akwards...to mess us all up, so she warned me already on that....gee, it never ends does it?  :-\ 




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Re: obamacare will fine drs for putting patients first.
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2010, 08:43:51 AM »
JIMSTER. Theres absolutely NO reason for a bill to be that long. It's worded simply to confuse folks. By the time you get done reading all the drivel you have no idea what was said. HEH, kinda like a poster here. POWDERMAN.  :D :D
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« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2010, 10:09:08 AM »
Pass Lake,

Unless you have worked in a hospital claims and billing office, you have no clue as to what the actual levels of reimbursement are. Medicare and Medicaid are 2 of the largest payers of the healthcare industry.   When you have a clue as to what actual levels of reimbursement are relative to charges, I will listen to your opinion on this matter.

Furthermore, the largest reason hospital charges are so high any more is the illegals and others who abuse the system go to the ER and make no payment for services.  The hospitals, like any other business, must roll those losses into other charges. If you want to do something to help, tell your Congressrat to vote for a repeal of EMTALA.

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Re: obamacare will fine drs for putting patients first.
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2010, 11:10:47 AM »
Swampthing:  I don't work in health care,  but.....my wife is the head of finance at a hospital so I have a very good clue when it comes to a hospital's reimbursement level.  My wife just made a financial presentation to the hospital board last week and that is where the 40-45% medicare figures come from.  And the elderly are a high number of the patients who are treated.   90% of the uninsured bills are not paid (which usually are the working poor and unemployed) and become charity care. The impact of  illegal aliens and criminals is so nil it doesn't rate being mentioned.  I might expect illegals have a bigger impact in border states. 

While I am at it, I haven't seen any doctors that I know at the local soup kitchen or who are talking about being forced out of their practice because of the Health Care Act.   

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« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2010, 11:49:11 AM »
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 PASS LAKE. True, but my family dr said that he and a lot of others are not sure they want to continue in medicine thanks to obummercare, another told me it would cost him an EXTRA 32 hours a week.
Another thing. I'm sure your wifes figures are accurate, but that only reflects on the over inflated prices they charge BECAUSE of those who don't pay. Paying 1/2 of an already over inflated charge is not that bad. If thats true then they would only charge $15 for an aspirin. I was in a hospitol years ago and on the bill I saw they had charged $35 for 2 reg strength tylenol. Absolutely on excuse for that.  POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2010, 12:54:44 PM »
Pass Lake,

If your wife was a head of finance, then she will know that Medicare and Medicaid are two very large payers on which hospitals depend for reimbursement.  Reimbursement also increases a certain percentage each year based on charges; your wife would know this. 

As for the uninsured, the percentage is much higher than 90% that is not collected, and hospitals will never see a penny because of the debt collection laws. And illegal aliens are not just a problem in the border states.  Florida has a sizeable population of illegals.  You mention charity care.    I do not think you have a clue as to the percentage that becomes charity care for a hospital, so I will provide you an education. The percentage that goes to charity is between 6% to 9% because there too many who do not care to submit the paperwork for charity as required under AHCA guidelines.  They already know it is free because that cannot be made to legally provide payment.



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