Obama declaring Marshall Law

[guzzijohn]

I have noticed over time several posters here expressing concern that at some point Obama will declare marshall law. Educate me, how would this happen? Unless there was a clear and compelling reason would not congress shut him down or the military refuse to cooperate? If I have researched this correctly nation wide marshall law has only been declared once, under Lincoln during the civil war. I just do not see how a president could just up and declare marshall law one day and get away with it. I would think that he would be impeached faster by congress than you could eat a peach.
GuzziJohn

[SwampThing762]

The President may ask Congress to suspend "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus ... when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

Attention all clingers to God and Guns, grab your Bible and Rifle.  When the day comes, we shall raise our Stainless White Banner as a symbol of our Sacred Honor, Love of Liberty, and willingness to fight for our Rights.

ST762

[lakota]

Do you really think this congress would shut him down? And if the US military refused to cooperate there would be UN "peace keepers" on our soil within hours.

[SHOOTALL]

And no where in the world would either domestic or forgin troops face a more well trained or armed population ( thank the second amn. ). So the big question is could the ML be enforced over the entire USA ? In every country we have taken on peace keeping operations we depended heavy on domestic help and trained them . Here that may not be an option .

[wreckhog]

I have heard of martial law. What are we talking about in this thread?

[Pat/Rick]

Do you really think this congress would shut him down? And if the US military refused to cooperate there would be UN "peace keepers" on our soil within hours.

Congress might not shut him down, it would be very interesting to see how many troops would disgrace their oath to defend the Constitution. As far as un peace keepers, if a president(?) feels the need to require armed foreign troops on American soil to enforce his agenda, I see that as absolute Treason to the Constitution and our sovereignty.  u.n. troops, certainly would be a target rich environment.Blue helmets don't show up as well as red coats.
   Martial law. Any out of control circumstances could be the catalyst, a dirty bomb, unrest at the border, violent protests, collapse of the market, to name a few, I'm sure a few other incidences could bring it about.

[Graybeard]

You've obviously not paid much attention to what congress has passed since the latter days of GWB when he supposedly FORCED congress to pass the patriot act to make patriotism illegal.

He has the authority to declare it and to suspend congress and all elections for a minimum of 6 months so no they can't very well over ride him they gave him the power. All he needs is a trumped up excuse.

But as I said in a post a day or so ago that's not likely to happen as the timing is not yet right. Declaring marital law when we're all still armed would generate a civil war the likes of which no nation has ever seen before. Deaths would be in the tens of millions. I'd bet money that during such a time our enemies would waste no time jumping in to over throw the country and take it from us. Mexico from the south, china from the west and who knows even russia might want a piece of us such as alaska as a minimum.

I don't think we'd ever again see the US with a full 50 states again if martial law is declared. We'd likely be broken up into several new countries and for sure some if not all would be colonies of foreign powers.

[SwampThing762]

Does the movie Red Dawn ring a bell for anyone?

I shudder at the thought of the same legacy from both Illinois presidents.  At least, Lincoln turned out to be one of the best friends the South could have had.  Booth really screwed the pooch in hindsight, as Reconstruction would have been much easier under Lincoln.

As for the not so distant possibility of Obama choosing to inaugurate civil war, I have already started to get my ammunition.   I wild gladly stand under the banner of a new Confederate States of America. We shall raise on high the Bonny Blue Flag that bears a single star.

Hurrah, Hurrah, for Southern rights, Hurrah, we'll raise on high the Bonny Blue Flag that bears a single star.

ST762

[billy_56081]

If this scenario ever does happen I think we need to all remember where all the dem signs were in front of houses and pay them a night visit.

[SwampThing762]

Billy,

I think a repeat of the "Night of the Long Knives" would be detrimental to our cause.   However, they could be executed for treason......

[wreckhog]

Interesting response to the democratic process.

[billy_56081]

Interesting response to the democratic process.

And wreck what does mashall law have to do with this?

[beerbelly]

I don't think Wreck understands that mashall law ends  the democratic process!

[billy_56081]

Well beerbelly I have heard old wreck is neighbors with Ron White.

[Sourdough]

You guys think America is a well armed and well trained fighting force, you are right, buy how about organization?  While most American families have an average of three guns per household, (remember some families do not have any guns), In Alaska that average is more like 7 or 8 per family.  Very few homes are gun free here. 

GB:  Yes you are right, Russian spokesmen have made many speaches as to why they need to take Alaska back under the Russian Umbrella.  We sure are a lot closer to Russia than the US.  It is hard being the redheaded stepchild of the US as well.  Russia is the only country whos army is trained to fight under arctic conditions, and could possiably win.  They not only train in it, they live in it.  Few American troops get that training.

But we Alaskans would be one heck of a Gorillia Force.  We got guns and ammo at home.  If you guys were to walk into many of my friends house you would think you were in a reloading supply house.  I can show you several guys basements that is better supplied than most gun shops in the lower 48.

I've got 12 reloading presses, and enough powder and supplies to support their full time use for a week or more.

[gypsyman]

Wouldn't need the UN, or Russia. If O decided to declare martial law, shut down the highways, severly curtail the trucking industry. Just like what just happened in a few airports. Looking for bombs. Weather bacterial,nuke, or otherwise. You'ld have riots going on because of the lack of food in the supermarkets. He could claim the military will take over shipping, which we know that they probably couldn't take care of 10% of what gets shipped by truck. It probably wouldn't take 2 weeks, and 1/3 of the population would be eliminated. He would set up govt. food centers, before any food would be handed out, names and address's would be coralated with atf records of gun owners. If not outright confiscation, turn your guns in for food, for ''Your Safety". How many times have you seen police shows, where the police confiscate a pocket knife from somebody, and telling them, where doing this for ''Your safety''. Funny how I can carry a pocket knife all day long, for years, and never hurt myself, but if a cop is around, he might just want it, for ''Your Safety''. How many people would have the guts to stand up to this?? If anybody thinks this man isn't capable of this, I've got some swamp land in Arizona for sale. gypsyman

[BBF]

Sour..

Regardless of how much ammo, reloading presses etc you got, there is only one of you plus however many in your family can help. Not enough to stop an Army for sure.

[Tommyt]

 God forbid
However it would be a Bloody mess
Literally

I also feel the feel the first thing to be shut down would be
THIS
The INTERNET too stop communication by the Mass
How fast we can make a statement across the world?
How many Phone calls or News adds would it take 
The net is a very Powerful Tool 
for Good and Evil

Tommyt

[Pat/Rick]

sourdough, your right about organization. Who would lead? A bunch of guys who never spent a night shining boots at the end of a bunk? The wanna be down the street with a $5,000 AR??. It would take some time for organized resistance to gain momentum. By organized resistance I mean something greater than a platoon sized element of family and friends. Most of those who would dissent would be later labelled criminal, as they lay on their porch bleeding for failure to cooperate.IMO of course.

Tommyt, I could see the internet being the first thing closed down as well. The gooberment wouldn't want the clingers communicating. Censorship would be the "norm" in short order. Internet wouldn't work without electricity anyway. How many people at the onset of "hostilities" would run around and shoot the transformers on the poles out front just to add to the chaos? Block bridges and roads with fallen timber?

gypsyman, yep. A collapse of everyday services would keep alot of gooberment types pretty busy. But would they concentrate on the cities or let them "take care" of themselves? And not bother until things have neuteralized? Alot could certainly happen and those of which are being discussed here are more than probable in my thinking.

[SHOOTALL]

Sour..

Regardless of how much ammo, reloading presses etc you got, there is only one of you plus however many in your family can help. Not enough to stop an Army for sure.

How long would it be before the commies would be supplying one or both sides ? remember that is how they move into a country in trouble .
 Gen. Mosby said that other than the uniforms on his mens backs all other materials were taken from the union forces .
 If Americans are not armed to the teeth then where did all the ammo go over the last couple years ?
 It would make little difference in the long run , cut food , medical, clean water and the war is over. Then who will feed the war machine with all the citizens gone ?

[no guns here]

Look back at ANY UN operation... look at the size of the country the UN was involved with.  Look at the number of troops involved and then look at the effectiveness.  IF the US were involved in troubles at home, we would be forced to recall our troops from our other operations.  We make up the majority of troops available for UN/NATO type operations.  We train the other nations troops.  Without US prescence around the world, the other nations wouldn't have troops to deploy to the US.  They would be too busy fighting and deterring wars in their own countries and continents.  As soon as we pulled out and made it clear that our attention was not on them any more, then all hell would break loose in Africa, the Caucuses, parts of Asia and the Middle East.  The ONLY nation with enough troops to deploy to the US is China.  Even IF the UN decided TODAY to deploy troops to the US, just how many do you think would it take to control the entire USA?  Come on, be realistic.  France is smaller than Texas and it's the biggest country in Europe.  England has no beef with the US.  France has it's own problems.  Germany ain't ABOUT to send troops to the US.  Not one country in Africa would... as soon as we pulled out of Africa, the whole continent would erupt in a series of wars.  They'd all be at home killing each other.  A general "invasion" from our southern border would be cause for worry, but it wouldn't be an invasion of armed units, they just don't exist there.  A general exodus from that area into the US would happen but then that has been happening since the border was established huh?

The much greater worry as has been posted is a general and gradual tightening of the screws in the name of "safety".  Give up your automatic's, give up your semi-auto's, give up your repeaters, give up anything over .30 cal, give up anything with a magazine.  Now it's safe but not safe enough.  Give up your handguns and your big knifes.  Turn in your neighbors in the name of safety.  You can't go to the doctor without registering your "dangerous" things.  You can't get government assistance without turning in your guns.  Mandatory prison if caught with a gun.  Take your kids away for "extremist" views.  Take your kids away if you have guns.  Take your kids away if you write the "wrong" things.  We are progressing rapidly down that slope.  At what point will we stop the slide?  Or will we continue to go peacefully into the abyss?


We don't have to worry about the UN or another country invading mainland USA (Alaska and Hawaii may have cause though).  We are too big and the logistics are too great.  Can you imagine what it would take to police their home country AND country of 300 million that is 4-5K miles away?  Most assuredly the most real threat comes not from external alliances or enemies, the truest threat comes from those amongst us who would destroy our freedoms in the name of safety, security and progress.


NGH 

[SHOOTALL]

I have heard of martial law. What are we talking about in this thread?

I know...the oligarchs are counting for this element to thin the herd while fomenting a race war...then these useful idiots will be taken out.. Probably need a pretty faced president for this scenario to get of the ground plus a heavy false flag(s) or pestilence. Oligarchs love fracturing society first into as many divisions as possible.


..TM7

Or in plain english - seeing how far the American people can be pushed before they bark back.
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[BBF]

There will be enough local talent for a bit of food to watch and report the others that are not to compliant. If you haven't read the Animal Farm, read it.

[Tommyt]

Keep in mind

Gangs Local and World Wide


Lets Face it
It could not Happen
I say if any Pres. tried he'd be gone before
His ink Dried


JMHO
Tommyt

[teamnelson]

Interesting response to the democratic process.

Perhaps you could explain how the Executive declaring Martial Law is part of the democratic process? Last time I read through it, there was not a special election to determine if the people were in favor of Martial Law. Perhaps you are under the understanding that by being elected President, we in fact have given him all sovereignty over us, with no checks and balances? That we have surrendered our rights as citizens? If that is your view of how democracy works, then your posts all make a lot more sense.

Looking forward to your explanation of how our government works.

[SHOOTALL]

We have a federal form of govt. not democratic . In some respects we do give the president full power although there are checks maybe. Consider a president can take us to war. Congress may choose to not fund it but in reality if the war is on then they would be forced to fund it as the other side may not want to stop just yet.
 If we were a democracy then much of the law we have would never have been passed just because the idea of all voting would have been to big an undertaking until the computer came along . Its one thing to vote on a few issues every nov. but every law ?
 Martial Law is like sending a bill , getting paid is a whole different thing .