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Offline Gary G

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Re: Why blacks fought for the south.
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2010, 07:46:10 AM »
Great article, Gary.
So much for the "accepted scholarship", huh?
The "accepted scholarship" is the whole problem to begin with.
Three cheers for that school board...  ;)
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Re: Why blacks fought for the south.
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2010, 07:57:43 AM »
This is a good article , it has encouraged me to start calling myself a Virginia American  ;)
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Re: Why blacks fought for the south.
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2010, 12:41:29 AM »
Thanks Gary, great read, and I love this quote!

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Re: Why blacks fought for the south.
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2011, 03:59:35 PM »


"...beyond a very small handful (who may have passed as white), no black men served in Confederate units until the very end of the war, when the Confederate Congress passed a measure allowing for the limited recruitment of slaves. Indeed, up until then the Confederate government explicitly refused repeated calls to recruit blacks. None of this is controversial within the historical community, and you would be hard-pressed to find a single academic historian who disagreed in any way."



http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/teaching-civil-war-history-2-0/
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Re: Why blacks fought for the south.
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2011, 04:22:47 PM »
While researching my genealogy some years ago, I searched old civil war records.  During my search, I found actual military records digitized.  Some of these listed the soldiers as "negro" or "colored".  How many?  Beats me as I don't have time to count.

What I do know, is that  there are records dating from the 1800's  listing black companies of soldiers.  This was their home as well.........

Historians have become much like archaeologist's.  If it don't fit their conclusions, it ain't true...even if you do have evidence.

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Re: Why blacks fought for the south.
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2011, 03:04:47 AM »
Great points machanic. It's amazing to see the faces of people when they do just what you did by looking up the facts for yourself, then discovering what somebody told you is really true!!  :D

Perfect example of the part about "if it don't fit our our conclusions, it ain't true", even when the evidence is right in their face...
The "discovery" at Camp Lawton, in Millen, GA. The National Fish & Game Service funded this "discovery" through Georgia Southern University, in nearby Statesboro. The archeology department at GSU claims to have "discovered" the POW Camp in 2009. It wasn't "discovered by anyone, it has been a state park since the 30's (Magnolia Springs). Most everyone in southeast GA has always know it was there. I am a member of the SCV, and we were allowed access to many of the artifacts that the public will never see, such as documents and other articles that prove the slaves used in the construction of the camp were working strictly on a voluntary basis, and NOT forced to do so by anyone.

This didn't fit well with the North's account of how the camp was built, even though they weren't there when it was built. it completely dispelled that part of the story that painted Southerners as evil for forcing slaves at the butt of the whip to build a POW camp to house Northern soldiers. GSU, under pressure from the NF&G Service, decided not to make this public!  >:(

And Northerners wonder why there is still such antagonism toward them?  ???

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Re: Why blacks fought for the south.
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2011, 07:54:39 PM »
"...we were allowed access to many of the artifacts that the public will never see, such as documents and other articles that prove the slaves used in the construction of the camp were working strictly on a voluntary basis, and NOT forced to do so by anyone...."

Sounds like these records are as elusive as Obama's birth certificate.
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Re: Why blacks fought for the south.
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2011, 12:41:26 PM »
Sounds like these records are as elusive as Obama's birth certificate.

They are indeed elusive now. I was one of the very lucky ones to actually see them. They won't be shown to the public because they contradict what is being taught in public schools, that slaves were forced to build the stockade at the butt end of a whip. They most certainly were not forced. They openly volunteered, and were allowed by their owners to leave the plantations to perform that work. Remember, it was late October and November. There weren't many crops in the fields that time of year. They were even paid by the Confederate Army.

And anybody who honestly thinks for one minute that the federal government actually allowed a man to run for, and be elected President of the United States, and NOT know beyond the shadow of a doubt where he was born, is delusional. Do you actually think the government would allow that, not knowing for sure where he was born? Not on your life, they wouldn't. You better believe the FBI, the CIA, and the Secret Service know exactly where he was born.. I assure you, they do. If it could be proven otherwise, it would have been long ago. Find something else to be upset about.  ???

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Re: Why blacks fought for the south.
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2011, 02:30:50 PM »
I love this stuff.... :D
I am a Southerner, if i were born in the north, east or west id be just another human being!

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Re: Why blacks fought for the south.
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2011, 06:19:37 PM »
I'm afraid I must agree with southern by grace, when it comes to obamas birth certificate. I just can't believe he was not born in the USA as much as I wish he was not.

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Re: Why blacks fought for the south.
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2011, 03:10:08 AM »
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Re: Why blacks fought for the south.
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2011, 11:24:17 AM »
I have a picture hangin in my tv room of 8 Confederate soldiers (5th Ga clinch rifles) sitting around the camp fire with weapons stack to the side posing for this pic, in the center, stands this Negro soldier holding his pistol with his hand on the shoulder of the soldier in front of him. This is taken outside of Macon (ga) in 1862.
I am a Southerner, if i were born in the north, east or west id be just another human being!

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Re: Why blacks fought for the south.
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2011, 03:55:59 AM »
I have a picture...

WOW!  Is there any possibility you could scn and post it?
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Re: Why blacks fought for the south.
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2011, 04:30:32 PM »
I have a picture hangin in my tv room of 8 Confederate soldiers (5th Ga clinch rifles) sitting around the camp fire with weapons stack to the side posing for this pic, in the center, stands this Negro soldier holding his pistol with his hand on the shoulder of the soldier in front of him. This is taken outside of Macon (ga) in 1862.

Got to second AtlLaw's request, even moreso because of where it was taken, I might know of them.
"Men do not differ about what
Things they will call evils;
They differ enormously about what evils
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