Hiroshima and Detroit. Can you guess who won WW2?

[lgm270]

Eisenhower  carried out Operation Wetback and kicked more than 1 million illegal aliens back to Mexico where they belonged.  Guess what? The US economy did not collapse after they were gone.

Now if we just had a President with his resolve today.  What a boost to the domestic trucking industry to be hired to transport 12-15 million of them to the southern border for swift return to their native land and culture they love so much.

[subdjoe]

Nuke might have been the right answer - we don't know, it was the road taken. There is an argument to be made that moving off the unconditional surrender demand, combined with continued sub/carrier ops/starvation of Japan, might have done the trick.

You have just said that you would have preferred that tens of millions starved to death.   Nice of you.

No, subdjoe, I did not say that, or even imply it - though I can understand why you want to claim I did. It you were just a little smarter than the average rock, you'd have been better able to comprehend:

No, that is exactly what you said.  Well, not that bluntly.  But advocating starvation?  Really nice.

[powderman]

yellow. Defending the Godless ones is bad enough, now it seems you are trying to downplay the barbarous acts of the japs and saying we shouldn't have used the bomb on them., not to mention trying to talk down to Subjoe. He has more common sense than you ever will have. POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

yellow. Defending the Godless ones is bad enough,

You're an obtuse one

now it seems you are trying to downplay the barbarous acts of the japs

never did that

and saying we shouldn't have used the bomb on them

I did not write/say that, but there is a reasonable argument that it was not necessary to use a nuclear weapon on Hiroshima, and that Japan's surrender could have been achieved without slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent civilians. I could make that argument, but it would likely be wasted on you.

not to mention trying to talk down to Subjoe.

whiner

He has more common sense than you ever will have. POWDERMAN.  

[powderman]

yellow. Another brilliant post I see. A retired WW11 vet told me years ago that he was a radio man on an attack troop carrier headed for Japan to invade. He said they kept sendng the same message, he finally decoded it. The japs were telling the civilians to send their children towards the allies with boquets of flowers with a grenade inside and to kill as many allies as they could, the child of course was expendable. He said the standing order went out to shoot any child that tried to approach them with flowers. He said, thank God we dropped the bomb just a week before they would have started a ground assault. When he finished his story he pointed a bony finger in the air and said, I don't want to hear nothing about killing 100,000 japs, we saved over a million lives. I said, yes Sir you did, God bless you, and gave him a hug.  Anything other than  what we did would have cost MANY more allied lives, and japs too. POWDERMAN.