Triple 7 in a White Mountain Carbine?

[elbow]

I have a TC white Mountain carbine, .50 cal. Always shot pyrodex, wondering if Triple 7 will work as I am almost out of Pyrodex. Anyone tried it?

[necchi]

Works great in my Renegade!
Reduce your pyrodex charge by 10-15%

[Landngroove]

Have several White Mountain Carbines in both .54, and .50 caliber. Have tried Goex, Pyrodex, and 777. Goex has best ignition, and performance. Pyrodex would be next, less forgiving than Goex, due to higher ignition point, but still mostly reliable. Last would be 777, again, even higher ignition point than Pyrodex, so better chance of hangfire. Using a musket cap would help, in a hunting situation, with 777.

[necchi]

I have used T7 exclusivley for about 6-7 years now in T/C, Green Mountain and Lyman barrels and have had no ignition or hang fire trouble indicitive of the powder.
When there is a hang or miss fire issue it' has always been about fouling issues of the nipple or fire channel. This can and does happen with any powder used.
Shifting to a Musket cap ignition in a rifle that is designed for #11 caps is, in my opinion, a waste of time and money and will do nothing to improve reliable ignition or abate proper cleaning. Musket caps are not hotter, they only throw a larger volume of the same temp ignition AND more corrosive fouling.
The larger nip hole in most Musket nipples allows more back pressure to escape on a random basis and accuracy suffers. Stay with a CCI Mag #11 or RWS caps and practice proper cleaning procedures and you'll have no trouble that can be attributed to T7.
Show me the documents that state Pyrodex has a lower flash point then T7,,,,

[tscott]

Great answer! I use 70 gr 777 and a 245 gr powerbelt in my WMC, with great accuracy!

[Landngroove]

http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/T7-msds.pdf       http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Pyrodex.pdf             These links will give the ignition point of 777, and Pyrodex.  I have been shooting muzzleloaders extensively for over twenty years, having tried all types of powders, caps, and primers, including Pyrodex, 777, and musket caps. IMHO, I have found that the use of a musket cap does reduce the chance of a hangfire when using a BP sub. I am also very particular in my ML cleaning practices, and prepping an ML to shoot. As far as corrosiveness of musket caps, the fouling and corrosive qualities of the powder used, far outweighs corrosion of the cap used, and requires proper cleaning of the ML at the end of the shooting session regardless. I do agree that a #11 magnum cap would be an upgrade when using a BP sub. As I stated in my original post, the use of 777, or Pyrodex is less forgiving, than Goex, due to thier higher ignition points. You can be meticulous in your cleaning, and prepping to shoot practices, but in a hunting situation, things such as humidity, rain, wind, follow up shot, etc., can be your "Murphy's Law".  http://www.ocsresponds.com/ref/msds/msds-bp.pdf

[mspaci]

mine shot great, hunting in rain & fog, Mike

[surveyor47]

My experience is that these guns shoot best with black powder.  Why not pay the hazmat fee and order a 24 can case of GOEX FFG? (if your state allows). Split the case with your buddies.  10 to 12 cans ought to last you for at least 3 or 4 years.  I think the last price I paid was $15/can and thats high. 

A good source is www.powderinc.com

Pyrodex is terrible in T/C caplocks and should be restricted to inlines due to tendency to hangfire.  Pyrodex is actually MORE corrosive and harder to clean up than black powder.  It is greasy and hard to get off.  Corrodes like hell.  I have no experience with 777. 

I have no such problems with black powder.  I simply use wet patches made of 50/50 Simple Green cleaner and water.  Then pump the barrel and flash hole with Ballistol www.ballistol.com  In fact, I rarely disassemble my muskets, perhaps once per year for inspection.  Black powder is so much simpler.

[surveyor47]

Regarding ignition, I would like to pass on the very sound advice of a GBO poster, which has helped me a LOT:

Before I load and fire my guns, I clean the barrel, channel and nipple by pouring a small quantity of alcahol down the barrel and pump the barrel with a jag and patch.  I have been amazed at the amount of garbage the alcahol removes.  Let it stand for a while to let any remaining liquid evaporate.  Then fire several caps and THEN load.  I have had no hangfires since I began using this procedure.

One of the biggest problems with T/C caplocks is Bore Butter.  A much better cleaning and perservative solution is Ballistol, which is now available at Home Depot.  Ballistol dissolves black powder, but is much less effective on Pyrodex, which sticks like some oily gunk.  I have had more corrosion problems with Pyrodex than I ever had with black powder.