Author Topic: Model 213 tokarev (Read 2966 times)

zacharoo · « **on:** November 04, 2010, 03:31:01 PM »

I just inherited a model 213 tokarev. Old work buddie died and his widow gave me a 9mm model 213 and 2 evtra clips. It came with a sholder holster and aboul 6 boxes of bullets in a zip lock bag. All winchester looks like 115 gr. ball ammo. The gun is about ten years old. Is there any one who makes an adjustable sight for this pistol. It funtions great with my reloads for my browning high power. Remington 125 gr. golden sabors. Reminton cases and 4.7 gr. bullseye powder. Sights are so narrow it is trouble to see them.

Zacharoo

Mikey · « **Reply #1 on:** November 05, 2010, 02:00:48 AM »

Zach: sorry to hear about your buddy. As for the Tok - I do not believe there are any adjustable rear sights made for this pistol. Just about the only thing you can do with the sights on a Tok is to try and improve them to give you a better sight picture. I have known a few fellas to drill a small hole sideways through the front sight and use a blob of JB Weld to create a new front sight, one that is wider and a bit more 'square' - then they take a Swiss file to the rear sight and both open up and square off the rear sight notch. The rear notch can be outlined in white reflective paint and the rear of the front sight blade can be painted to match and give you a much better sight picture.

Although your Tok is M213, which never saw military service I think and was developed for the current high volume handgun market, it is still a Tokarev of near 1933 design and the sights reflect this - pretty similar to the 1911 earlier sights as well as those on the earlier P-35 High Powers. You might be able to find a set of MMC - Miniature Machine Company - sights that could dovetail in but I think you would have to pull the current rear sight, measure the base and see if MMC could make you a rear sight. You could also try that with a Nowak style sight to see if that helps or might fit but otherwise I think you may wind up working with whatcha got....

I also think the front sight on the 213s is the same as on the others - it's milled, not staked or dovetailed and I don't know if the slide is thick enough for a dovetail but good luck and let us know what you come up with.

williamlayton · « **Reply #2 on:** November 05, 2010, 07:20:23 AM »

Since there is no intrinsic collectors value to disturb a change in sights----I would think that a GOOD Smith could re-cut the rear sight for just about anything that melts your butter.
Blessings

His lordship. · « **Reply #3 on:** November 06, 2010, 09:07:44 AM »

I once had 2 of those in the 1990's, one in 7.62 X 25, and the other in 9 MM Luger. They were both accurate and reliable, I did notice that the metallurgy was not consistent. The frame and hammer were of good steel, the slide seemed different as I was getting peeling of the steel where it hit the hammer during slide recoil.

I had alot of fun shooting them, probably should have kept one for a plinking, house gun instead of trading them off. With the slide being on the soft side I still could have shot at least 10,000 rounds through it before there would be a problem, I had almost 1,000 rds. through each when I sold them. The owner's manual said that the Chinese only felt it would last 2,000 rounds!

williamlayton · « **Reply #4 on:** November 06, 2010, 08:15:23 PM »

Chinese steel is HARD.
Blessings

His lordship. · « **Reply #5 on:** November 08, 2010, 06:44:34 AM »

I have heard that their Model 1911 had hard steel, but on my Chinese SKS the bolt was soft as it was wearing somewhat fast where it hit the receiver, had alot of fun with that gun too. Seems the Chinese put the fun factor, and low prices, into their guns.

1911crazy · « **Reply #6 on:** November 22, 2010, 08:52:53 AM »

I have two of these that are still NIB unfired. One is in 9mm luger while the other is in 7,62x25 tok. These were hard to pass up in there orginal norinco boxes with papers.

From a collectors point of view orginal is orginal. To me its completely untouched.

Yak Angler · « **Reply #7 on:** November 22, 2010, 01:50:31 PM »

I'm ordering a brand new norinco 213 in 9mm this week. I shot my first tokarev this past weekend and love that pistol. I even prefer it compared to my norinco 1911which has been flawless since day one. The one i shot was an original russian from 1945 in 7.62x25mm and they are readily available in unfired condition but feel lack of available ammo now and who knows what it will be like in the future reasons for going the 9mm route.

Mikey · « **Reply #8 on:** November 23, 2010, 02:01:46 AM »

Adam: there is no lack of ammo for the 7.62x25mm Tokarevs. Sellier and Bellot make the best European stuff on the market with FNM following with their offerings. PRVI may also make some 7.62 Tokarev ammo and I believe even Winchester makes (or sells) white box stuff that is made by Sellier and Bellot.

Also, the best 7.62x25mm ammo make domestically is made by Ron Reed, one of our sponsors and a commercial ammo manufacturer. His offerings in the 7.62x25mm are specific to the Tokarev or the CZ52 and it is fine quality ammo. In addition, if you reload you can use Sellier and Bellot brass and Ron Reeds brass as well and I think the FNM cases are reloadable and there are round nose soft point .308 diameter bullets made (correct diameter for the Tok) by both Hornady and Sierra with both Unique and H110 powders being preferred. So grab some and have fun. HTH.

Yak Angler · « **Reply #9 on:** November 23, 2010, 11:20:31 AM »

Hi Mikey

I'm guessing you are located in the U.S.A up here in Canada very few shops stock any of the ammo, it can be ordered in but costs more the .45acp. every now and again a wave of surplus comes around and 2100 rounds goes for about $ 250.00
Un-fortunatly right now the surplus isn't around. I loved shooting that tok in 7.62x25 it was alot more fun than my .45 and the flame out the end of barrel is really cool. If i had readily available/cost effective ammo compared to 9mm available to me i wouldn't hesitate to buy one in that caliber. I still haven't decided 100% yet as reloading this round isn't something i really want to bother with, but i might just so i can have something different. With the right hand loads it has to outperform the 9mm or 45acp in theory anyway.

Mikey · « **Reply #10 on:** November 24, 2010, 01:22:31 AM »

Adam: Yep, lower 48 as the folk from Alaska say. The 7.62x25mm Tokarev can easily out performs either the 9 or the 45 in the energy and penetration departments, if you keep in mind that penetration is not a factor or was not a factor for militaries back when the 30 Mauser and then the Tok were developed but for a defensive piece the Tok overpenetrates most any other cartridge by a wide margin which means that if the bad guy is holding your mother in law as a shield you might 'be in a very good place'. All that aside, should you choose to reload the Tok there are at least two bullets available that should suffice nicely for defensive purposes - both are 85-86 gn round nose soft points in 308 diameter. I have shot some of the FNM ammo but the hps do not really spread out much but I have not yet tried any of Ron Reed's ammo for the Tok and I'm thinking that may be better. At last count the Tok was at the same energy level as the 357 mag, and that says a lot for a 30 cal round.

coyotejoe · « **Reply #11 on:** November 24, 2010, 11:38:50 AM »

"At last count the Tok was at the same energy level as the 357 mag, and that says a lot for a 30 cal round."

"Cartridges of The World" doesn't see it that way, they list the 7.62x25 Tokarev with an 87 grain bullet at 1390 fps, 365 ft.lb., right in there with the 9mm. The .357 can run a 125 grain faster. The .357 mag is a bigger cartridge in every dimension, much greater powder capacity and if loaded to comparable pressure bigger is always more powerful. Don't let your enthusiasm overrun your common sense.

coyotejoe · « **Reply #12 on:** November 24, 2010, 11:54:41 AM »

Quote from: williamlayton on November 06, 2010, 08:15:23 PM

Chinese steel is HARD.
Blessings
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In my experience William, Chinese steel is what ever it happens to be. You can be filing on a piece which cuts like butter and hit a spot where the file just skates off. Chinese guns though tend toward soft, unless one happens to be hard

Yak Angler · « **Reply #13 on:** November 24, 2010, 12:41:21 PM »

That's great info Mikey, the Tok is definetly the penetration king with some of the surplus ammo topping over 1600fps as alot of the surplus was ment for a submachine gun not the hand gun but it appears the russian made tok's can handle that round from what guys at the range have told me. Not sure what some of the lower bullet weights can reach FPS wise out of a .45 or 9mm when handloaded but the standard .45 230 grain load feels less thrilling to shoot than the Tok. I just wish i had the ammo options you guys have south of the border in factory loads and reloading components. I'm still debaiting if i want another 1911 or a tok. I know I know just buy both right.lol

coyotejoe · « **Reply #14 on:** November 25, 2010, 03:22:35 AM »

I was under the impression it is nearly impossible to own a handgun in Canada, much less actually shoot it. Apparently that is a mistaken impression but just how bad are Canadian laws on handguns?

Yak Angler · « **Reply #15 on:** November 25, 2010, 10:38:39 AM »

The only real downside to the canadian handgun laws is there is no such thing as carrying a hand gun outside your own home or a government approved shooting range, unless its triger locked inside of a locked gun case.We also have to register them so the government knows everything about you and what guns you own etc. The rest of the stuff relates to safe gun handling which is a good idea anyway. Fortunatly for us here the need to carry a handgun is not present. If your hunting and your worried about bears, moose etc a handgun is not the best option anyway and our violent crime rates are so low carrying one for personal protection would be a waste of a coat pocket better served for a warm hat or pair of gloves

But they sure are a heck of alot fun to shoot arn't they.

coyotejoe · « **Reply #16 on:** November 26, 2010, 06:20:53 AM »

Yes they are! I very much enjoy working up loads and trying them out even though I'll probably never shoot anything but paper with them and that won't be in competition except with myself.
In my part of Colorado violent crime is almost unheard of, an actual homicide will be front page of the local paper for months. I did jump through the hoops to get a concealed carry permit because I like to have a handgun when hunting with rifle or shotgun or when just walking around in the hills and I normally wear a coat over it so technically it is concealed even though it's not my intention to fool anyone. But around home or on shopping trips to our small local towns one would have to be extremely paranoid to carry a gun. Most local cops do carry off duty but they've all attended some shooting school where they were told "your life is on the line every second out there". You bet it is, you might slip on the ice and crack your skull!

coyotejoe · « **Reply #17 on:** November 28, 2010, 10:31:05 AM »

OOPS, sorry, my bad. While the listed factory loads for the 7.62x25 are not so impressive I looked at my new Hornady manual and they list a handload with the 90 grain bullet at 1700 fps which calculates to 577 ft.lb. and that IS in .357 magnum territory. I'd be tempted to try one on broadside deer.

Yak Angler · « **Reply #18 on:** November 30, 2010, 01:56:16 AM »

The new tok is on its way. I decided to go the 9mm route as ammo in my area is very hard to find for the 7.62x25 but because they are so cheap to buy i might get one after the new year in 7.62x25 just so i have a set

.

I will post some pics of the new gun with a range report in a couple of weeks when it arrives at my door.

Yak Angler · « **Reply #19 on:** January 18, 2011, 03:30:49 PM »

Have had the new tok cleaned up and in the safe for the past 7 weeks or so waiting on my lovely government to get all my transportation paperwork looked after. long story short all my paperwork came in today so off to the range i went.

I am very impressed with this Norinco 213 tokarev clone in 9mm. not one fail to feed,fire,eject after 100 rounds ( all i brought with me ) today. Had to make a small adjustment to each magazine catch to prevent it from falling out of the gun if i didn't wrap my pinky finger around the bottom of the magazine. That was fixed in seconds after the first magazine full of ammo and the gun ran flawless after that. Tear down for cleaning is easier than my 1911 was and i can't wait to try a few different brands of HP ammo to see if i get any feeding issues with them.

So far this gun seems like a keeper.

I can post some pics of it if anyone wants to see them.

NickSS · « **Reply #20 on:** January 27, 2011, 12:11:31 PM »

I have had one of these in 9mm for several years now and think it is a lot of pistol for the money. I like the 9mm round for plinking. I have a CZ52 in 7.62X25 and it has a much more violent action than does a 9mm. I have only shot surplus Czech ammo in it and that stuff is really hot stuff. I chronoed it out of my CZ at 1680FPS and the ejected empties fly thirty or fouty feet to the right rear when it goes off as it does every time. The CZ pistol is heavier than the Tok and I do not think I would enjoy shooting this Czech ammo in it. It also penetrates really well. I have shot it through 8 inches of solid fir.

Yak Angler · « **Reply #21 on:** January 30, 2011, 03:46:25 AM »

The 7.62x25 is alot of fun to shoot, if the ammo was more available in my area i would have bought one instead of the 9mm version. But thus far i am very pleased with the 9mm and it is very cheap to shoot and the ammo is easily obtained. i have tried 3 different types of ammo through mine thus far 2 diferent 115 grain round nose and winchester 147 grain flat nose with no failures to feed eject etc. 100% reliable thus far.