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« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2010, 11:46:07 AM »
Actually, a fully dilated pupil is said to be about 6mm for "older" shooters and about 7mm for "young" eyes. So an exit pupil of 5.5mm is fully usable. Additionally, when the exit pupil is larger than the dilated pupil receiving the light, sight acquisition is faster/easier. A wide column of light has advantages.

If exit pupil is determined by the size of the objective lens divided by the power of the scope then a 50mm lens/9 power setting=5.5mm exit pupil.  The human eye has a pupil that is about 4mm so anything exit pupil bigger than that is unnecessary. At least that is where I think that he is going.

On a scope above 14x then the 50mm lens makes sense.  On a 3-9....no. 

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« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2010, 09:31:28 PM »
I like to do business with companies that I trust.  But, why pay extra for no reason?  If Leupold made a scope that was comprable to a Nikon for the same money, then I would consider buying it. 
Leupold VX-3 3.5x10x40 fully multicoated $446
Nikon Monarch 2.5-10x40 fully multicoated $349
Bushnell 4200 2.5-10x40 fully multicoated $377

 I do have a question. Will Nikon repair a 50 year old scope? I'm not saying they wont,I dont know if they will or not. I do know that Leupold just told me to send this old M7 back to them and they will fix it up if they have the parts or if they dont, with my permission of course (they made sure I understood that they wouldn't do it without my approval in case I felt that the scope had some sentimental value or whatnot,which I felt was a classy touch to their customer service) send me a new one. There wasn't even so much as a question asked of me. He just told me where to send it and to include a statement of the problem and a return shipping address and a phone number where I could be reached. Thats old school customer service of a level you usually dont see anymore. I'm impressed.

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« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2010, 09:40:19 PM »


Whenever cheap people say "as good a Leupold" then I raise an eyebrow.  I think that everyone should buy what they want, but if it is "as good as a Leupold" then they should just save their money for a Leupold.  



Im confused,if it really WAS as good as a Leupold,and far cheaper,why would you save for a Leupold. If it had a comparable warranty (would be hard because they have a great warranty and the track record to back it up) and comparable features and quality,then why would you buy a Leupold. Isnt that the whole point why people say to buy them,because the cheap scopes really are NOT as good?

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« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2010, 01:08:03 AM »
I have Leupold, Nikon, and Redfield scopes. My oldest is a Leupold 3x9 from the 70's it has yet to fail or let me down. I will let you know in 30 years about the rest!  ::)
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« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2010, 01:45:56 PM »
Comparable features does not mean copmarable construction.
Compression fittings are not quick click setting.
Yes, all may get their glass from some of the same suppliers--but each has its own specs.
Since I don't know beans about glass, and the construction of scopes--and material used---I look at warranties and wonder if something is the same as a better priced product--why don't they offer the same.
All things being equal--if they are--why don't they charge the same as the market will bear.
If Leupolds are greedy---as one said---why don't they go broke? It seems to me that the word would get around. Folks, in the know, old hands and folks like me that are willing to look for quality--know it when they see it and read about it.
Leupold is not hype---it is performance absed and carry's a large following of folks that have tested the waters and come back not wanting.
There are good reasons to sell stuff cheap---cause it is.
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Re: LEUPOLD
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2010, 04:46:28 PM »
Comparable features does not mean copmarable construction.
Compression fittings are not quick click setting.
Yes, all may get their glass from some of the same suppliers--but each has its own specs.
Since I don't know beans about glass, and the construction of scopes--and material used---I look at warranties and wonder if something is the same as a better priced product--why don't they offer the same.
All things being equal--if they are--why don't they charge the same as the market will bear.
If Leupolds are greedy---as one said---why don't they go broke? It seems to me that the word would get around. Folks, in the know, old hands and folks like me that are willing to look for quality--know it when they see it and read about it.
Leupold is not hype---it is performance absed and carry's a large following of folks that have tested the waters and come back not wanting.
There are good reasons to sell stuff cheap---cause it is.
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 Considering that police and military customers buy Leupold often based on the lowest bidder that can meet the specification,it seems that they are doing something right. You dont see a Tasco on a M24 sniper rifle.

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« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2010, 12:26:53 AM »
You almost did--but the Marines gave it back because it didn't say Leupold.
Vandenberg has about 12 of those jewells he got----the are massive and bulletproof.
The point is---all of these boys are capable of building these scopes--it is not against the law.
But if you do you have to charge the tariff---it aint a cheap way to build.
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« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2010, 11:55:24 PM »
I had a 1.5-5 VarixIII on my 300 win mag for 27 years. It took all the pounding from shooting plus I fell hard on it several times, carried it from warm summer to -30 winter hunts on snowmobiles and it never lost zero or whimpered one bit. Also major drenchings. One moose season it stayed outside in the rain for 5 straight days. Never a problem.  I have switched to a VariX II in 2-7 'cause I wanted a little more magnification. It was drenched for 6-7 days this fall and has been doing well for the 3 years I've been carrying it.  A couple years ago I bought some Leupold Katmai binoculars to replace  light wt Nikons that failed and fogged in one season. These Katmais have been wonderful.  They rode around much of last winter on the back of my snowmobile (forgot they were in my pack). That can be a real pounding.  This fall the eyecups jammed from silt getting into the mechanism. Trying to adjust the eyecups, I pulled the rubber guards off.  Sent them to Leupold for repair and I got a whole new binocular (different serial #) in a week - no charge. When I worked for the State, I was able to obtain a confiscated Browning rifle 338 for bear work. It had a 3-9 Leupold of some sort on it that was dented and had electric tape over one of the turrets instead of a cap.  No fogging and worked like a champ for the 3 years I was still working.  I have friends that use their Leupolds harder than me. I've never known of a failure.  That's why I prefer Leupold for my most serious work - they hold up.
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« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2010, 04:43:27 PM »
Optics were part of my daily life for the better part of a quarter-century, and I depended on their performance to put bread on the table, so to speak.

I consider myself unbiased and fully capable of wringing out optics and rating every critical performance aspect.

The absolute best bargain in good optics is the Nikon Monarch. Contrasted against a comparable Leupold, the Nikon outperforms the gold-ringed scope in most critical categories. Of course, some of the differences are minute and difficult to detect in the field. Nonetheless, they do exist.

In terms or overall quality, my 3 favorites in the sub-$1000 category are Minox, Zeiss Conquest and Nikon Monarch -- in that exact order. The only fly in the ointment for the Minox is that the reticle is much like the Leupold duplex and a little too thin for late evening/early morning hunting. A reticle more like the Nikoplex or Z-plex #20 would make it nearly perfect.

The good new, though, is that Minox is adding reticle choices at this very moment.

But the differences between the Minox, Conquest and Monarchs are miniscule -- and you really can't go wrong with any of them.

There is nothing wrong with Leupold, either. They produce good, solid and dependable optics and have a terrific warranty. But the "L" scopes are far from the final word in quality optics.  

And as to the poster who considers Leupolds superior because he has never seen a Leupold refurb, that is tainted thinking. You know why you can find a Nikon refurb??? No matter what reason a scope is returned for -- be it a gift in the wrong power range or finish or an actual technical issue -- Nikon demands that the item be returned to the factory, where it is given a complete check-up. Nikon does NOT allow these units to be re-sold as new, even if the original box was never opened.

Therefore, you can find excellent bargains on "refurbs."

And NO, Leupolds are not 100% "made" in the USA, but most units are indeed assembled here.



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« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2010, 02:49:50 AM »
That appears to be a good objective report.
Let me ask questions--and yes I am a big leupold fan--but admit that none is absolute in all catagories.
Pick the three models you are talking about and the same model Leupold and give a breakdown evaluation--it would be interesting.
Reticles---I seem to recall that you can get just about any reticle you want in any Leupld model.
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Re: LEUPOLD
« Reply #40 on: November 27, 2010, 02:24:35 AM »
I know alot of people who swear by 50mm objective scopes. Just about all of the buy cheap scopes and with the cheaper lenses and coatings im sure the 50mm objective probably does add low light capabilitys to those scopes. When your talking a quality scope like a leupold or nikon or even the better bushnells and weavers a 3x9 with a 40mm objective will outperform and 50mm cheap scope. Ive compared simular leupolds with 50mm and 40mm objectives and never saw where the bigger objective did anything but add bulk to the scope and make high rings a nessisity which to me really hurt the handling qualitys of a gun. Good glass is where its at not big glass. Any GOOD scope with an exit pupil of over 5 is a waste and any GOOD scope with an exit pupil of 4 is plenty. As to the price i kind of chuckle at someone who is looking for quality optics balking at an extra 100 bucks. Most of us buy a scope to use for the rest of our lives and whats a 100 bucks in the big picture. Id bet most who scream about spending that extra 50 or a 100 bucks on a luepold dont thing anything of spending that same money out to the bar or on some dodad for there truck or motorcyle. To me its a matter of prioritys and my hunting my guns are my first priority not my truck or motorcyle or any other hobby.
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« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2010, 08:22:48 AM »
I own one of those 50mm Leupold scopes and would have to agree with you Lloyd. I am of a mind I need to trade it for a 40mm because of the handling you mentioned as well as the height.

Price two boxes of premium ammo, that just about covers the price difference from a VXI to a VXII or VXII to a VX3.

When you look at the reliability and repeatability of a quality scope and ammo cost, the top scopes get even cheaper. I take a ruler with me to the range. One 25 yard shot is almost always on paper, get a ruler out and make adjustments mathmatically. Second shot is at or near zero. Third shot is taken at 100 yds, again with the ruler, make my adjustments. Fourth shot is confirmation, to tell the truth. The rest of the bullets down range are further confirmation and VERY rarely do I have to touch a scope after that first day.
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Re: LEUPOLD
« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2010, 08:49:13 AM »


Whenever cheap people say "as good a Leupold" then I raise an eyebrow.  I think that everyone should buy what they want, but if it is "as good as a Leupold" then they should just save their money for a Leupold.  



Im confused,if it really WAS as good as a Leupold,and far cheaper,why would you save for a Leupold. If it had a comparable warranty (would be hard because they have a great warranty and the track record to back it up) and comparable features and quality,then why would you buy a Leupold. Isnt that the whole point why people say to buy them,because the cheap scopes really are NOT as good?

alright.

Everyone should buy what he wants.

If you WANT a Leupold, then buy a Leupold.

If you want the most for your money, regardless of the brand, then do the research and buy what you want.

If you want a Leupold, but are too cheap or inable to save your money, then don't please don't refer to your cheap Chinese POS as "good as a Leupold."

I guess that my final point is that some brands have an irrational following.  Leupold, Browning......some companies have a good product, good service, but they also have good marketing. 

Buy what you want.  Just be informed.  Don't buy a bottom of the line Leupold Rifleman just to show off.  Especially, at the $200 price point, there are many options that are better than the Leupold ones.

I'm just not a brand loyal kind of guy.  I try to buy the best product for a certain price.  Whatever my budget is for that particular item. 

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« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2010, 01:43:43 PM »
bluebayou wrote: "Don't buy a bottom of the line Leupold Rifleman just to show off.  Especially, at the $200 price point, there are many options that are better than the Leupold ones.

I'm just not a brand loyal kind of guy.  I try to buy the best product for a certain price."
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« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2010, 04:26:47 PM »
the last couple of posts remind me of the "Cimmaron, by Cadillac" from the mid-80's. they never called it a Cadillac Cimmaron.
it looked like a Toyota Corolla but it had "by Cadillac" on it.
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« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2010, 12:35:55 AM »
I would agree to buy the quality not the name.
I would agree to buying the options you desire on a scope.
Options--like TV's--come in good, bad, and ugly.
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« Reply #46 on: November 29, 2010, 12:38:54 AM »
I note the dislike of large objectives by some in this thread  ::) they have their place. I have a Meopta 7x50A on one rifle and for first/last light and heavy overcast weather of in deep woods it's light transmission is excellent. Of course Meopta have excellent glass being an optics company Scopes and Binoculars are just some of their line.

http://www.meopta.cz/

Now a very popular scope size here is 8x56 from the makes like Zeiss, Schmidt & Bender, Doctor and Kapps none of which are cheap. Fox shootign for vermin control and even sport is one of the largest types of sporting rifle shooting done in the UK and it's mostly done at night with or without a lamp. Yes there are cheap scopes with large objectives but we are not really discussing cheap optics here. One of the huge differences in scope us beteen the US and say Europe is the stance and shooting style. In the US they go for scopes mounted as low as possible, except in the target discliplines I notice, and crawl the stock. In Europe and the UK the stance is more natural with head erect and the scope is usually mounted higher to allow for this. When the rifle is raised the eye aligns with the scope and the target is in the view with no need to go hunting for the reticle and target. Of course there are some who follow the American trend and style as promoted by the likes of Townsend Whelan.

Now as I have mentioned in other threads for my hunting an stalking I find that a 6x42 seems to work very well and those variables I use are usually set on 6x magnification.

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« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2010, 03:42:11 AM »
I note the dislike of large objectives by some in this thread  ::) they have their place. I have a Meopta 7x50A on one rifle and for first/last light and heavy overcast weather of in deep woods it's light transmission is excellent. Of course Meopta have excellent glass being an optics company Scopes and Binoculars are just some of their line.

http://www.meopta.cz/

Now a very popular scope size here is 8x56 from the makes like Zeiss, Schmidt & Bender, Doctor and Kapps none of which are cheap. Fox shootign for vermin control and even sport is one of the largest types of sporting rifle shooting done in the UK and it's mostly done at night with or without a lamp. Yes there are cheap scopes with large objectives but we are not really discussing cheap optics here. One of the huge differences in scope us beteen the US and say Europe is the stance and shooting style. In the US they go for scopes mounted as low as possible, except in the target discliplines I notice, and crawl the stock. In Europe and the UK the stance is more natural with head erect and the scope is usually mounted higher to allow for this. When the rifle is raised the eye aligns with the scope and the target is in the view with no need to go hunting for the reticle and target. Of course there are some who follow the American trend and style as promoted by the likes of Townsend Whelan.

Now as I have mentioned in other threads for my hunting an stalking I find that a 6x42 seems to work very well and those variables I use are usually set on 6x magnification.

  Sooo, what you are saying is, you Brits try to make up for POOR stock fit, by making the scope mount fit...  Anyone who "crawls the stock" and has to go "hunting for the reticle", has poor stock fit, and i don't care what country your from.  Get the stock fit right, and a low mounted scope will work perfectly!

  Your starting to sound more and more like swampy...  lol lol

  BTW, for a guy that knows so much about Townsend Whelens writeings, i'd think by now, you would know how to spell his name.   ;)

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Re: LEUPOLD
« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2010, 05:38:01 AM »
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« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2010, 06:44:07 AM »
I note the dislike of large objectives by some in this thread  ::) they have their place. I have a Meopta 7x50A on one rifle and for first/last light and heavy overcast weather of in deep woods it's light transmission is excellent. Of course Meopta have excellent glass being an optics company Scopes and Binoculars are just some of their line.

http://www.meopta.cz/

Now a very popular scope size here is 8x56 from the makes like Zeiss, Schmidt & Bender, Doctor and Kapps none of which are cheap. Fox shootign for vermin control and even sport is one of the largest types of sporting rifle shooting done in the UK and it's mostly done at night with or without a lamp. Yes there are cheap scopes with large objectives but we are not really discussing cheap optics here. One of the huge differences in scope us beteen the US and say Europe is the stance and shooting style. In the US they go for scopes mounted as low as possible, except in the target discliplines I notice, and crawl the stock. In Europe and the UK the stance is more natural with head erect and the scope is usually mounted higher to allow for this. When the rifle is raised the eye aligns with the scope and the target is in the view with no need to go hunting for the reticle and target. Of course there are some who follow the American trend and style as promoted by the likes of Townsend Whelan.

Now as I have mentioned in other threads for my hunting an stalking I find that a 6x42 seems to work very well and those variables I use are usually set on 6x magnification.

  Sooo, what you are saying is, you Brits try to make up for POOR stock fit, by making the scope mount fit...  Anyone who "crawls the stock" and has to go "hunting for the reticle", has poor stock fit, and i don't care what country your from.  Get the stock fit right, and a low mounted scope will work perfectly!

  Your starting to sound more and more like swampy...  lol lol

  BTW, for a guy that knows so much about Townsend Whelens writeings, i'd think by now, you would know how to spell his name.   ;)

  DM

Now DM,

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The Hunting Rifle.

Oh BTW it's "writings"

Apart for an article in a Guns Digest I don't have any more of his books. Yes I typed "Whelan" instead of Whelen very sorry old chap. As for stock fit you know as well as I do the English rifles have a far better sock design than most of the American ones  ;) although in the last 30 years or so the Americans seem to be catching on  :D. This is what I mean:-


My BSA CF2 with the Lisenfeld 3-9x42 scope. You will notice the clearence between objective and barrel.


Swedish Mauser with 7x50 meopta. Notice the club like pistol grip... it's an American stock BTW and even an American sportising job. I removed the irons and threaded the muzzle.


Parker-Hale with a 6-18x40AO Simmons fitted in Leupold Std mounts. I am not keen on the mounts but due to someone using about a whole tube of loctite when fitting them I will have to drill the screws out to change them.


Leupold Q/R mounts with V3 scope

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« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2010, 08:27:14 AM »
Man those scopes are really high.  They don't sell low mounts in europe?
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« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2010, 08:36:59 AM »
Man those scopes are really high.  They don't sell low mounts in europe?

 :D Oh Swampy the last photo is of your favorite maker of optics................................ Leupold both bases and rings are Leupold holding a V3 2.5-8 Leupold. The one before with the striped figuring also has Std Leupold Mounts and rings holding a Simmons Competition scope and last time I heard Leupold were claiming to be American.

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« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2010, 08:48:25 AM »
  I had no idea that Roy Weatherby was british??  lol lol  Are you sure you folks over there don't need your stocks like that, because you are still walking and standing "crooked" from having your azzes kicked out of the colonies?  ha ha ha

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« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2010, 09:42:52 AM »
Roy Weatherby.........excuse whilst I spit.

What exactly did he think up?

I don't know of one idea that he didn't steal off someone else.

Also DM if you actually study real history and the not the ploitically slanted ones the "British" as you put it were fighting a more ireal war rather than a spat with some colonists. Remember the Pilgrim fathers were actaully disidents and terrorists fleeing the crown. The real war was the one with France and at the time the West Indies were of far more importance trade wise than the Americas which is why only a few troops were in the Americas. The fact that the commanders were also falsifying their reports and stealing from the colonists to feather their own nests was not known in Britain by those that really needed to know.

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« Reply #54 on: November 29, 2010, 10:59:23 AM »
Oh boy... there goes the neighdorhood... ::)

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« Reply #55 on: November 29, 2010, 11:19:00 AM »
If you study real history and the not the ploitically slanted ones the "British" as you put it were fighting a more ireal war rather than a spat with some colonists. Remember the Pilgrim fathers were actaully disidents and terrorists fleeing the crown. The real war was the one with France and at the time the West Indies were of far more importance trade wise than the Americas which is why only a few troops were in the Americas. The fact that the commanders were also falsifying their reports and stealing from the colonists to feather their own nests was not known in Britain by those that really needed to know.

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« Reply #56 on: November 29, 2010, 02:28:24 PM »
Wow is all I got to say, this thread sure went down the slippery slope.     :o. Even poor swampy got into that one.

Brit, you forget to thank us colonists. If it were not for us you would be speaking German right now.

Of course you forgot the important war that happened in 1860 and is still going on in parts of the good ole USA..


Regards,
Byron

Christian by choice, American by the grace of God.

NRA LIFE

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« Reply #57 on: November 29, 2010, 05:36:58 PM »
Wow.  American Revolution, French Indian War, WWII, American Civil War......Lets throw some Vietnam gas on the fire...

Brithunter,
So when you use those high mounts is your cheek on the comb of the stock like we shoot?  I hate extending my neck and always end up with a cheekpad, extended scope rings, some kind of kludge to get good view of eye box of scope.  Again, poor stock fit...

So with those high rings is the stock at your jaw?  Just curious.


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« Reply #58 on: November 29, 2010, 07:56:23 PM »
the last couple of posts remind me of the "Cimmaron, by Cadillac" from the mid-80's. they never called it a Cadillac Cimmaron.
it looked like a Toyota Corolla but it had "by Cadillac" on it.

 Actually,it looked like a Chevy Cavalier. it also looked like an Oldsmobile Firenza (I had one of those,it was my first car),a Pontiac Sunfire,and a Buick Skyhawk. They were all versions of the J Body.

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« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2010, 12:47:19 AM »
Wow.  American Revolution, French Indian War, WWII, American Civil War......Lets throw some Vietnam gas on the fire...

Brithunter,
So when you use those high mounts is your cheek on the comb of the stock like we shoot?  I hate extending my neck and always end up with a cheekpad, extended scope rings, some kind of kludge to get good view of eye box of scope.  Again, poor stock fit...

So with those high rings is the stock at your jaw?  Just curious.

I just opened up the lockers and checked and yes the cheekpieces come to a point about half way up my face between jaw bone and cheek bone. I have found that if I have the cheek piece higher I get a bruised face over the cheek bone which is uncomfortable. It might also have something to do with my build. Am not very tall at 5' 8" but fairly heavily built, need to lose some spare tyre around the middle  :-[, but if I took up boxing I would be in the heavyweight division I believe as I weigh 215 lbs, and as physical build effects stock fit and scope mounting they seem to suit me.. I do have a couple that are low mounted a .222 BSA Regent which has a Simmons 6-18x40AO fitted to it in a set of Steel Hilver medium height rings. The scopes Objective clears the rear iron sight dovetail by about 1/16" which allows the scope caps to be fitted. The other is a BSA Majestic .243 featherweight which currently has the Leupold M8 Compact 4x scope on it in a pair of Parker-Hale RALS-3 rings (low). Am just trying the Leupold on this rifle as it's a short action but usually it wears the Khales 4L2 scope also in an older pair of P-H rings.  Oh the Swedish Mauser with the Meopta 7x50 could now actually use slightly lower rings as it was originally set up to clear the rear sight but since I removed the irons that is now no longer an issue. I might see what is available.