muslims in truth.

[powderman]

BILLY. Any idea why the libs won't answer???Confront em with the truth they are almost speechless, well almost, but they still won't answer.  POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

BILLY. Any idea why the libs won't answer???Confront em with the truth they are almost speechless, well almost, but they still won't answer.  POWDERMAN. 

Maybe they're overwhelmed by your intellektul sofistication?

[powderman]

yellow. You are one of the THEY I was referring to, as if you didn't know. Answer the question, you can do it, all it takes is yes, or no. You  libs have sure done a lot of dancing to keep from admitting the truth. POWDERMAN. 

[elhoward622]

My Two Cents:
Do I think that radical Islam is one of the world's biggest problems? Absolutely.  The only problem is that terrorism stemming from an ultra-radical wing of a major religion is almost impossible to combat.  That is the sad truth.  Our only hope is that this anti-Western hatred will dissipate and lose momentum after a few generations.  The more buildings full of terrorists we blow up, the more innocent civilians we accidentally kill.  The more civilians we kill, the more new terrorists we create.  Terrorism just plain works.  It always has.  Even if the US is morally right, the simple act of invading another country turns the population against the invading force.  It makes there life miserable and feeds the terrorist network.  It really and truly is scary.  And the scary part is that radical Islam is spread to many, many 3rd world countries with weak governments ready to fall.  Is every Muslim a part of the plot? Absolutely not.  Are there vast networks of Muslim terrorist groups looking to expand into all parts of the world and bring terror to every major country.  Absolutely.  And sadly there is not much we can do about it.

To TM7 On Zionism:
The blame for the ME problems lies mostly with the major powers around the turn of the 20th Century: France, Russia and England mostly and also the US.  The hatred of the Jews by most European countries forced the Jews to flee Europe.  All European countries were anti-semitic and wanted rid of the Jews.  Post WWI:The Palestinian Arabs and the English were quite repressive and brutal towards the Jewish population and the settling Jews suffered constant violence and pogroms against them.  Post Holocaust: The few surviving Jews needed a place to settle: they damn sure were going back to Germany.  The Zionist leaders were given essentially two options: Uganda or Palestine.  You choose.  Here is where England is at fault, they promised Palestine to the Jews but they also promised it to the Arabs for helping them fight the Turks in WWI.  So now the have two groups promised the same land.  After 6million are murdered in the Holocaust I don't blame the Jews for getting violent and radical and taking over Palestine.  Does that make it right? No.  But we did the same to the Indians.  It is History.  Accept it. Understand it.  
To Everyone:  I love my country, but I also understand that many of the world's problems were caused by the US and England taking advantage of smaller countries: see the Palestine example.
Final Word:  The ME problem is complex beyond belief, if you say you have it figure out you are either a LIAR or have not thought it through: don't blame Jews, don't blame Christians, don't blame Arabs.  For every radical Jew and Arab you see there are tens of thousands of innocents who go unseen.  Blame politicians, blame religious leaders.  They stoke the fires that get millions killed.  

[yellowtail3]

yellow. You are one of the THEY I was referring to, as if you didn't know. Answer the question, you can do it, all it takes is yes, or no. You  libs have sure done a lot of dancing to keep from admitting the truth. POWDERMAN. 

what exactly is your question?

[elhoward622]

The links do have some merit.  But i dont buy into nwo conspiracy zionist conspiracy.  The Zionist conspiracy idea of some sort has been around for hundreds of years.  The Nazis used it as a key piece of their agenda.  I disagree that all Jews had a way out of Germany. FDR blocked Jewish immigration prior to the holocaust.  You seriously think hitler would allow a Jewish Spain? I just don't buy it.
 

[billy_56081]

Old TM you re back to square one, you continue to spew propgaganda exactly out of the Nazi propaganda from WW2. This "false Jew zionist garbage has been pandered around the globe for thousands of years. Why don't you just come out of the closet as a virulent Jew hating antisemite. Most already see you as that. Why on EVERY thread do you try to tie is to your hatred of Jews?

[nw_hunter]

BILLY. Any idea why the libs won't answer???Confront em with the truth they are almost speechless, well almost, but they still won't answer.  POWDERMAN. 

Maybe they're overwhelmed by your intellektul sofistication?

YOU THINK?

[elhoward622]

TM7 I find it sad that you question the number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust.  Very sad.  You also miss the fact that all European and Asian countries took part in the anti-semitic pogroms of Jews.  Russia, Austria, Poland all murdered and kicked out the Jews without Hitler's urging in WWII.  Jews stood fast and took repression and violence for a thousand years or so I have no problems with a Jewish state.  If Hitler had of won he would have taken Palestine and the whole middle east himself...Why do you think Rommel had to kill himself.  Early Jewish settlers in Palestine were ex-communists who had to flee Russia for their lives.  The Soviets hated Jews so Hitlers argument about "Jewish Communism" is so far off its funny.   No one wanted the Jews.  Jewish settlements began as Atheist communes on the Marxist model.  Herzl was not religious and absolutely did not want a religious tie to land.  Zionism sprang up as other Jews wanted a religious connection to their land.  Rumors of a grand Jewish world domination plot have been used by anti-semites for hundreds of years to legitimize their hatred.  Im sorry but your taking minuscule facts and stretching them beyond reason to try to legitimize the Hitler/Anti-Jew/Neo Nazi rhetoric.  Just because one Orthodox Rabi wrote an editorial doesn't make it true or historical.  That crap doesn't hold water.  Get some facts.  You can't justify blind hatred with poor facts.  Any time I see someone defending Nazism i just shake my head.

[powderman]

ELHOWARD622. Careful, tm is working hard to make another convert, and you are his target. He is easy to understand, godless ones good, Israel and Christians bad. Pretty simple. POWDERMAN. 

[elhoward622]

Well if you want to talk about lowering figures then lower that 40 million there a bit my friend.  Russian historians will put it at 9 million at most...not a soul more.  And the thoughts that Stalin and other party leaders were all Jews in a master Jew plot is quite laughable.  The Soviets invented the Mobile gas vans for gassing rounded up Jews.  Thats where the Nazis got the idea.  And if your are trying to quibble over 1.5 vs. 6 million dead...well, that is just sad.  I have read much about Soviet Russia and although there were a few Jewish party members they were always on guard and some of the first to go in the purges.  Jews did not own the Russian Revolution.  The Nazi party was very disjointed and the SS operated independently from the Army.  They spent the war murdering innocent women and children.  I have seen the photos.  Real photos.  The Holocaust happened.  Only fools buy into ancient conspiracies.  Jews have been targeted with this rhetoric for years and years.  Dreyfus Affair.  Face it there is no Jewish plot bent of world domination.  There is no Jewish hand manipulating the world.  There are only fools who follow those bent on persecuting others.  Reading far-fetched, fanciful revisionist historical essays is a waste of time. 

P.S. If there was a grand Jew plot they would not be wasting time on greybeard outdoors to stop all Jew lovers from arming themselves with palletwood handi rifles to defend the Master Ancient Jew Alliance.

[powderman]

ELHOWARD622. HEH, glad to see you catching on. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

tm. Yaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnn. POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

What I find laughable is that if some book, story, rumor or website cast the Jews as evil doers old TM will spew it out as gospel truth. Now if something was video taped had witnesses by the thousands and had muslims claiming that they had doen ht he thinks it is some kind of cover up and conspiracy. And what cracks me up about old TM is no matter how whacked out and far out it seems he tries to turn everything back to a Jewish conspiracy.

Old TM I thought you were out there when you were ranting about this "4000 watt death ray" that ran on  AA batteries. But this turning everything around to be the "Jews did it". Almost makes your death ray silliness believable.

[powderman]

BILLY. I'm in shock, I've been stockpiling AA batteries cause I always believe tm. I'm shocked I tell you, shocked. POWDERMAN. 

[elhoward622]

Russia is a large place.  Many Jews were involved in the Revolution and in the Commie Regime.  So what?  All the communist leaders were brutal, vile killers.  Is it because they were Jewish...no.  Of course prominent Jews were attached to the starvation campaigns and the Cheka...along with all the rest of the non Jews.  Your sources have very anti-semitic tones so of course they will portray the facts as they see them.  You telling us that Jews were instrumental in the Commie Regime is like saying the sky is blue...its a known fact.  Most non orthodox jews lean liberal to this day.  All communists were against all things Russia and Tsarist..not just the Jews.  Yes Jews were involved.  I could also delete the word JEW and replace it with non jew atheist Russian and it would be absolutely true.   
People kill people.  Pol pot wasnt a Jew.  The Christian crusaders who slaughtered arabs werent Jews.  The meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs wasnt a Jew i dont think. 
As for your Holocaust argument: all people suffered in WWII.  The Japanese were firebombed and nuked.  Dresden was leveled by US planes.  Your ending arguments have merit but just because millions of unrelated people died does not mean that you can pin the blame on the Jews?  What point are you trying to make? Are you a neo-nazi, anti-semitic, or just trying to gain recognition for all other races who have been wronged.  If the later then I agree all genocides should be recognized.  But blame the Atheist, Christian and other people who had a hand in killing. 
For every argument there is a book to quote.  It doesnt make it right. 

[powderman]

tm. You sure take up a lot of space just to say the Jews did it. YAAAAAWWWWWNNNNN. SOS. POWDERMAN. 

[Dixie Dude]

History records the Jews were persecuted by the Tzar begining in the late 1890's.  It is natural they would support the commies against the Tzar and side with them against the Nazis. 

[beerbelly]

Well I also doubt the 6 million Jews supposedly killed in Germany! I also see no deference in the Jews and the Muslims!
   Lets face it if your god gave the Jews Israel, then let him defend it and bring our boys home! No , to late for that. We are now just as big a target of the Muslims as Israel. They are the one's that stole the Muslims land but we supported them in the theft, and we are now fighting for our lives. And as near as I can tell we are losing.

[elhoward622]

I am not sure why so many doubt the numbers killed in the Holocaust.  6 million werent gassed by the SS but millions died across Europe and Russia none the less.  Have you not seen the films where the Germans lined them up and shot them with MG's?  Also our boys aren't in Israel.  I don't think that terrorists will back off If we drop our alliance with Israel.  I do agree that the Israelis need to make a peaceful settlement with the Palestinians in order to make some sort of peace; although Hammas will still continue to attack Israelis.  That will only help the Palestinian refugees though.

[yellowtail3]

Well I also doubt the 6 million Jews supposedly killed in Germany!

No surprise there... .

[powderman]

tm. HEH. You are good, once again you've flip flopped from our subject, uhhhhhh muslims, to the Jews and Israel, Germany, catholic Poles,  and Russia. I reckon you'll post pretty well anything to try and take the heat off your loved ones. At least you once again started my day with a good laugh. POWDERMAN. 

[Dixie Dude]

90% of the New World native Americans died from white mans disease, not killed in battle.  Early Americans lived peacefully with most natives until the War of 1812.  In the massacre of Ft. Mimms in Alabama, about half of the Ft. Mimms residents were native Americans living with whites. They had adapted.  They were attacked and killed by the Creeks who wanted all natives to return to the way they were.  When Andrew Jackson came through, about half his total force were friendly Cherokee indians who helped defeat the Creeks.  Later when Jackson became President, he made all natives east of the Mississippi go to Oklahoma.  Not only did it include the Cherokee, but northern tribes in the mid-west. 

The Spanish defeated the Aztecs and Incas but many died from smallpox and other diseases, but most married the Spanish creating the Mistizos.  So 100 million is a fictious number. 

[elhoward622]

If you read my last or my first post I clearly stated that we are in danger by radical Islam and the terrorists that come from it; not your average JOE muslim.  These guys will NOT play nice...ever.  They never have and no matter what Israel or the US do it wont change.  The only ones who would lay down their arms are the young ones who took up arms after we invaded the ME.  Those are not the hardliners.  Also, you want to talk about taking over the world.  You fail to notice the spreading of radical Islam to places with weak central govt's like in Somalia.  There are well armed masses, pirates in many cases, who are being converted to Islam to serve as soldiers.  There IS a grand radical Islam plot to establish a RADICAL ISLAM state.  You think an Jewish state is scary? How about a radical Islamic state??? Give me a break!  And if you think that Israel is ready to take down the US then you have been reading too much farcical, anti-semitic literature.  
I just said that the poor Palestinians should be taken care of; however, the other ME countries did nothing to help the Palestinian refugees and they were looked down upon and often discriminated while in exile by other muslims.  You dont address the issue that the major powers like England and other ME powers share blame for the problems of Palestine.  The Jews have no more guilt about wronging a population than any other country in world history.  Honestly, TM, ask yourself this...what does every country in this entire world have in common?  They all have stolen land and murdered, tricked, fraud-ed, or somehow wronged some population to get to where they are at.   You can not refute that.

Back to the Holocaust issue: so you essentially repeated what I just said.  Atrocities happen and should be learned about by everyone.  You totally dropped your "the jews killed everyone" argument.  TO NOTE: our listed genocides cover about 1% of history.  Also, the Christians took on the Seljuk Turks who were converted to Islam and were threatening the Easter Roman Church holdings.  They just decided to massacre and jews they found for fun.  Actually, Europeans at the time who could not afford to pay for a crusade would find local jewish settlements and massacre them to "take part in the crusade."  
Finally, to think that all the atrocities are covered up to protect the Israeli v. Palestinian issue is the MOST RIDICULOUS, LAUGHABLE thing I have ever possibly heard....ever.  You are obviously a smart guy but you have read way too much extremist literature.

[elhoward622]

Wow, something TM7 and I agree on??? Scary!  Europeans first came to the continetal US looking for Native American slaves.  The NA slave trade is one of those things that gets little recognition over the African American slave trade.  Us Americans now, we mostly got along with natives until we had settled all other available land.  Then we murdered or took it.  Boy the Indians got screwed by everyone.  The Spanish did intermary but the Mestizos and other combinations were always lower tier citizens... only peninsualres who came from the Spanish mainland were first class.

[powderman]

tm. You mistake boredom and samo samo for being tired. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

I have a degree in comparative religions.....




tm. If thats true you haven't learned much about the real God. Somewhere I reckon I missed it where you say Jesus did away with Gods covenant with Israel, I'd like to read that, from the Bible, not satans book that you are so proud of.  POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

I have a degree in comparative religions.....

From where?

[elhoward622]

TM7: Let me say that your posts are getting better.  I would rather here your non-sensical rants than you copy and paste someone elses. Also, none of your comebacks to my statements have any relation to my topic at all.  They also do not make very much sense. 
Islam is a prostelyzing religion like Christianity, apparently it has a strong appeal to some folks. I have a degree in comparative religions.....when I look at the 3 abrahamic religions, who's been at it the longest, the OT, Talmud..I see an ONLY Race scenario tame in comparison to the other 2 religions....basically we are looking at a war crimes manual and a world slavery indenture system. Thank God Christ annulled all this satanism.
First, you call me a T-partier Israel Firster (Huh..what?) then you avoid my opening statement.  Duh, we are at war with terrorists..It only takes one to kill a bunch of people....duh.  Yes, Judaism is the oldest religion: you don't need a degree in comparative religion to figure that one out.  Christianity and Islam are both fast growing; if one is first, then the other is close behind.  And if you want to get on a religion for crimes against humanity well then look at the history of christianity.  It doesnt turn the cheek too much and that is coming from a christian.  That whole passage makes no sense.
Palestinians not getting help from arab nations is propaganda.
Re-check that my man.  Maybe from the 1980's on the Palestinians have gotten some help but If you read any history at all you will see the Palestinians were considered human garbage and blight to any ME country that harbored refugee camps.  Don't make me go down to my car and go get the ME book im reading now and quote you some passages...go read yourself. 
so sorry as a Christian and moral relativist this has been annulled by my savior. You as a zionist, I thoroughly understand your social Darwinistic theocratic world view and a chosenist System you wish to impose...some kind of jungle fever menatlity absent of morality and of course with no afterlife. So sorry...you have just exposed your self...the Ancient Conspiracy illuminated insisting we all join in this moral corruption and endless holocaust: a world of moral bankruptcy ruled by satan's Sanhedrin ..LOL, forget about it dude......Fact is many islamics have figured this out as well.
TM7: my dad had a good friend who sounded like you except erase Zionist and put in the US Govt.  He drove around fearing black helicopters and hearing devices.  He kept his guns loaded because the ATF was coming to take the guns away from his militia and establish the New World Order under the US Govt.  Then he shot himself in the chest with a .38 during a traffic stop.  Sound familiar? First, all the NWO bull-hockey bee going on for ages and I have heard it all.  People just fill in the "________ is taking over the world" with US Govt, Russia, Obama, Jews, Catholic Church.  Paranoia is a funny thing.   And that guy in his basement with his sawed-off shotgun wearing a tinfoil hat to block out the mind control sensors has "got it figured out!!!" "We are on to you now!!!""Just you wait till Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Tea Partiers, Sara Palin, Russians, Obama, Jews, Catholics, Neo-Nazis, etc. etc. etc. come take us over. " You are that man with the tinfoil hat who has it "figured out."  NO ONE, NO ONE ever has it "all figured out."  So go ahead and call me names by puting -ist or -ister or -tic on the end of words.  You know nothing about me...I however know that you don't know what you are talking about.  Talking in circles, dodging common sense observations and known historical facts, making up words, and quoting random, extremist writings penned by obscure sources says only one thing...you HAVE NO CLUE and too much time on your hands.
P.S. You say 2.5 million Jews killed in the holocaust? Well many, many more historians will claim the number well over 6 million with just as much or more legitimacy. 

[elhoward622]

Did you see that?  That just happened!