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Have you have had personal experience with an AD due to a faulty Remington / Walker designed trigger?

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Offline smokepole06

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Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« on: November 09, 2010, 01:15:23 PM »
Please respond to the poll.

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Re: Remington Trigger Problem
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2010, 02:53:04 PM »
Just seen on the HuntingNut forum .
Remington has a program to handle the rife's in question until the end of the year .
So spread the word .
That is all anybody ever wanted the company to do . So it is all up to you now .
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2010, 05:05:25 PM »
My first 700 was bought in the early 1960s, still have it, never a problem.  Since then I have owned six other 700s.  I sold two.  Of the seven I have owned three are at my house and my son has the other two.  Never a problem.  That's seven 700s from 1960s to the present.  No problems.
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2010, 06:42:29 PM »
I have a 270 Model 700 BDL purchased in 1979 (safety had to be off to operate the bolt).  About 10 years ago, my rifle would discharge when I closed the bolt.  It happened during cold weather only.  Took the gun to a smith, and he cleaned the bolt and trigger.  No problem since.  He recommended that WD 40 should never be used to clean the gun as it would gum up the works.  I had used WD 40 to flush water out of the bolt and trigger after getting caught in thunder storms several times.  Now I flush with Gun Scrubber and use synthetic oil after.

Toss the WD 40,
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2010, 12:02:20 AM »
Just seen on the HuntingNut forum .
Remington has a program to handle the rife's in question until the end of the year .
So spread the word .
That is all anybody ever wanted the company to do . So it is all up to you now .

Reference: http://www.remington.com/pages/news-and-resources/safety-center/safety-modification-program.aspx
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2010, 01:49:46 PM »
My first 700 was bought in the early 1960s, still have it, never a problem.  Since then I have owned six other 700s.  I sold two.  Of the seven I have owned three are at my house and my son has the other two.  Never a problem.  That's seven 700s from 1960s to the present.  No problems.

Many of the guns have not showed a problem . but just check Remington Web  page for the models involved . This problem is a bit more than the guns the home boys played with the triggers with .
Then just get them checked through and then you will always Know
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Think a lot of Remington to come forward and offer to do this . Now be big enough to have it done .
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2010, 04:34:05 PM »
The CNBC show was showing guns not affected by the recall, some late production before the x-mark. That recall will not address what CNBC is claiming on all non-x-mark triggers, just the having to go to fire to open the bolt. cnbc says gun will fire when just putting off safety. I still think maint issue or tampering or sear wear. the sear drops a hair when safety released. If the gun is dirty or the sear is adjusted too close to the edge it will go off.

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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2010, 05:22:35 AM »
I pulled my Remington 700 barrel and action off the stock yesterday for an inspection.  The RED sealer is still over the trigger screws.   I had spent the day before re-sighting the rifle after changing scope mounts.  

The heavy trigger has not bothered me to much when shooting deer but I do not like it at the range.  The rifle has score 100% one shot kills on deer, but they were in the open and nothing tricky about the shots.  I believe good performance on the bench directly effects over performance in the game field.  The recall does not fix all the issues with the trigger, just the bolt locking feature.  

There is user/owner cost associated with the fix.  The associated cost just might make my case with the household accountant to purchase an aftermarket trigger that incorporates the non locking bolt feature and a trigger blocking safety.  The trigger comes pre-set at three pounds but is adjustable from 1.5 to four pounds.  A three pound trigger pull for the range and hunting is very attractive to me.
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Help me out on this one does the owner of the firearm paying shipping both ways?  And pay Remington $20 on top of that?

UPS cost from here to NY is a little over $20, and I see that that quickly adding up to $60 plus when Remington tacks on a handling charge.  Added to that is the trip to town and packaging material.


As described in an earlier post my Dad had an accidental discharge with his M722 when he was in the unloading process.  My brothers and I were post on rock outcroppings watching a brush field so watching the event from a distance does not provide any details.  All I can say is Dad’s rifle was pointed skyward, there was, a flash, and the report.  The event happen fifty years ago, I “think” he may have had the local gunsmith check the rifle, but not sure.  He gave me the rifle in 1980, I have done some basic safety test and there have been no failures.  The trigger pull on this rifle is a vast improvement on my Remington 700 which was purchased in 1978.  

In 1970 I purchased a Savage 110CL and soon afterwards I adjusted the trigger pull.  I have not tried it with a pull gauge but suspect it is 3+ pounds.  The Remington M760 and the Savage 110CL have been my Go To rifles for many years.  The 700 has not been a Go To rifle, but as I told my hunting partners who were kindly dragging my buck out of the woods, it has the potential of being Go To rifle.  To reach its full the potential I need to do something about the trigger and then have another fifty years of deer hunting in this body.

I consider witnessing the accidental discharge a personal experience.

Did the CNBC show generate a shortage of aftermarket triggers for the Remington 700.
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2010, 11:57:11 AM »
Well Look At Remingtons web site
Remington Bolt action Safety Program
News and resourses
Safety Modifcation Program
It lists the rifles involved and says nothing about fee's Etc

LOOK THIS SUBJECT  up again @ HuntingNut forum and read through it your self and how it was resolved .
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2010, 01:01:51 PM »
Well Look At Remingtons web site
Remington Bolt action Safety Program
News and resourses
Safety Modifcation Program
It lists the rifles involved and says nothing about fee's Etc

LOOK THIS SUBJECT  up again @ HuntingNut forum and read through it your self and how it was resolved .

My reference in reply #4 IS the article mentioned from the Huntingnut.com website.
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2010, 03:16:34 PM »
Well Look At Remingtons web site
Remington Bolt action Safety Program
News and resourses
Safety Modifcation Program
It lists the rifles involved and says nothing about fee's Etc

LOOK THIS SUBJECT  up again @ HuntingNut forum and read through it your self and how it was resolved .

My reference in reply #4 IS the article mentioned from the Huntingnut.com website.

The topic of remington triggers is now all covered by all the forums . If your read through you will see many people have had problems with the bolt action rifles . As you come towards the end of the Hunting Nut forum , you will see the remington response and also the WEB PAGE .
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2010, 01:16:42 AM »
I chuckle at the whole thing. Never once in all the years ive been cruising the shooting forums have i seen anyone post that theyve had an accidental discharge with a remington because of this problem. Now a anti gun tv network comes out with a show and everyone is claiming to have them. Mostly what i see is a bunch of guys that dont like rem rifles just having there day in the sun bashing them. I know that in my life ive put at least as many rounds through 700 as just about anyone ive ever met and yes im a guy that ajusts triggers. I detest a rifle with a trigger over 3lbs. Say what you want but the old rem trigger system in my opinion is hands down the best trigger ever designed for a bolt gun. Its allways been a safe system for me also. I guess some people could screw up a wet dream though. Id bet that 99 percent of the claimed Ads with them can be narrowed down to a few things. First and probalby most prevelent are bsers. there the kind of people that just like bitching and want to bash remingtons and have never actually had one. Next is internet rummors or guys that claim that a buddy of a buddy had one but never saw it and third idiots who adjust triggers that dont have a clue as to what there doing. ANY trigger can be made unsafe with improper adjustment and i dont care what brand it is and then theres the guys who have an ad discharge and arent man enough to admit it was there stupidity that caused it not the gun. How many  times have i been to a range and seen a ad discharge and the first thing the guy says is i never touched the trigger or the saftey was on! Its like a reflex for them to lie when it happens. The urge to cover it up is so strong that they can even convince themselves that it was true
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2010, 01:33:46 AM »
Well Lloyd, there ya go off on another one of your rants. ::) And I agree with every damn word. ;) Been using the system for 4 decades and have set some of them to under 3 pounds. NEVER AN ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE. NEVER!
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2010, 06:26:48 AM »
Not a problem with the design, but I did have an AD after I tweaked the adjusting screws a bit too far. I had it pointed downrange & no damage was done. Note to self - when testing the safety use an empty chamber or snap cap.
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2010, 06:29:06 AM »
dee you shouldnt let people know we agree. When the two of us bullheaded old farts agree it just doesnt look good!! ;)
Well Lloyd, there ya go off on another one of your rants. ::) And I agree with every damn word. ;) Been using the system for 4 decades and have set some of them to under 3 pounds. NEVER AN ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE. NEVER!
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2010, 06:57:48 AM »
1971 700 BDL, shear in trigger broke because "I" adjusted it way too lite.
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2010, 07:09:19 AM »
All the ADs are due to operator error.
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2010, 10:26:42 AM »
Conservatively I'd estimate that I've owned over a hundred Model 700 and Model Seven rifles over the years stretching back into the 60s. Not a single one of them ever fired other than when I intended it to fire. The early ones I mostly had adjusted by the local gunsmith to around 3 pounds but after I realized how easy it was to do myself I have adjusted them all since.

I do NOT adjust the sear engagement and have never yet seen a need to adjust the over travel. So the only screw I touch is thse pull weight screw and I seal it back afterward so it doesn't move on its own.

I absolutely DO NOT believe anyone has ever had an AD with a Remington trigger unless it had been fooled with by someone who didn't know what they were doing and the sear engagement had been compromised. That can be done to almost every firearm out there if it has a sear. I have a cousin who even tho he has owned and likely still owns hundreds of guns he's not learned one single thing about gunsmithing since the first one he butchered. He ALWAYS adjusts and files or hones the sear to the point that the contact is almost non existent.

His Contenders are so sensitive you must close them so gentle and even then half the time the sear disengages. I refuse to touch his guns and don't care to shoot around him even tho he does practice good muzzle control. His guns are dangerous and it doesn't matter the brand or whether handgun or long gun.


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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2010, 10:49:45 AM »
I think I figure !!!!


  DARN WELL kNOW THEY KNOW AS "A Matter OF FACT" THE THE RIFLES HAVE A PROBLEM.
My Rifle as a Matter of fact just in fact did it . No BS.
If this was a scam , then Why for gods Sake would Remington come to the table , list the rifles and be willing to deal with them ??

I see a Lot of guys here mouthing off opinions just because Maybe their rifle HAS NOT DONE IT!!

Opinions are that . Maybe if your gun went south and you had an AD , then you know Something!!
I can not see where any one could or would BS or try to !!!
But I do see a lot of BS and denial . And it isn't from the reported members that had a AD.
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2010, 10:59:57 AM »
People don't like to admit they are stupid.  It must have been the fault of an inanimate object....They couldn't have had their finger on the trigger, failed to control the muzzle, or have tinkered with their rifle.
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2010, 11:11:32 AM »
I would never say the discharges haven't happened as they obviously have. I suspect I've owned and used as many of them as anyone posting to this site and have never had it happen with any of over a hundred such rifles.

I still contend that the rifles that have had the ADs were worked on by a shade tree smith at some point to make them dangerous and that as they come from the factory they were fine. That factory heavy trigger makes folks want to adjust and many who do have no clue how to do it safely and properly.

So far no one who claims to have had an AD with one has or can apparently state categorically that it was as issued from the factory and not ever worked on to alter the trigger pull.

Nothing is idiot proof and all firearms can be made dangerous by an incompetent person working on them as my cousin does to all guns he owns. I'd NEVER buy a gun he has owned tho he has bought several from me over the years and yes he ruined them all messing with the sear engagement once he got them.


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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2010, 12:56:31 PM »
Well with repect Sir !
The rifle I had a Remington 660 in 308 was as Remington built it . I think it was in it's second or third year the first time it AD . Naturally I thought it was my fault .
The second time it discharged was at the range and I know for a fact it was indeed the guns fault .
Remington replaced the trigger and the following year I did have it tuned by a smith .It would here after not do it again as long as I had it .

How ever - There are many reports of unmodifyed guns going off when the safety and bolt are being worked .Then too there are so many guns that never had a problem , because a good smith has already done something to them .
Then Agreed, some one who might think they are a "smith" , and take a new rifle apart as soon as they get home , rework the trigger and stock .
It is like a kid that needs to take is toy apart rather than just play with it !!
As a Mechanic I got a few cars towed in from Guys who thought they could improve things .
Thank God not all the idots do this . Some smarten up as they age and take things to has some training in the first place . It usually saves money.

An another reason the guns need to be returned to Remington.They know not just think theyknow what they are going are going
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2010, 05:49:01 PM »
I never owned a 600 or 660 so honestly don't know much about them. I do know they aren't the same action as the M700/M7 but were off the XP-100 action. I have no clue if the trigger is the same but am pretty sure it isn't or at least wasn't on the XP-100 specialty handgun.

I certainly can't say none ever fired accidentally that weren't worked on by someone first but don't personally know anyone so that I can say it from personal experience and I've known a lot of folks who use them and shot them a lot with no such problems. I guess anything is possible tho.


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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2010, 01:11:59 AM »
There were many reports of Toyota gas pedals sticking, but the car's on board computer showed that they were bogus.  It turns out folks just wanted to get a check.
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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2010, 03:52:57 AM »
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2010, 07:01:19 AM »
People don't like to admit they are stupid.  It must have been the fault of an inanimate object....They couldn't have had their finger on the trigger, failed to control the muzzle, or have tinkered with their rifle.

In referance to your first sentence --
Guess some folk can only speak of there own experiance .
Then there are those who flap off with the tongue so much - that they cut off the hearing
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2010, 07:03:39 AM »
I've been listening to this same tripe for 25-30 years.  I'm tired of hearing about it.  Guns are dangerous when handled and or tweaked by idiots.
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2010, 07:09:36 AM »
I've been listening to this same tripe for 25-30 years.  I'm tired of hearing about it.  Guns are dangerous when handled and or tweaked by idiots.

I am waiting for you to get tired too Swampy . You go on and on like a record . It sure would be grand to hear something from a member who has taken some time to think about something a minute or so then checking things out , before making a comment .
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2010, 07:24:53 AM »
I've noticed mine makes a really loud noise when the trigger is pulled.  Should I send it back?
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Re: Remington Trigger Problem Poll
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2010, 07:41:30 AM »
I've noticed mine makes a really loud noise when the trigger is pulled.  Should I send it back?

NO!
I would check and wash the pants first .
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