Purple Teflon tape and an ASxxxx SB-1 frame [1978] for a modern Hunts man

[kody]

Busta mentioned using purple teflon tape on Huntsman breechplugs and I would like to know its specs as well as where it can be found. I tried to locate some but dead-ended.   I took my SB-2 frame off of my Huntsman barrel and replaced it with an old SB-1 frame with an AS prefix on the serial number and the older low profile hammer, so my Bushnell Banner would clear the hamme, the spur would clear the latching lever and the hammer could lock in the cocked position without altering anything! I recall reading comments
 about the use of modern Huntsman barrels ,and their pressures, on older ML frames. Are there any guidelines as to the manufacturing time period where this becomes a safety issue? I have read the FAQs in search of any such info and again dead-ended.    Ken

[quickdtoo]

I use TC tape on my inline breech plugs.

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,39309.msg223146.html#msg223146

https://secure.tcarms.com/store/ez-thread-anti-seize-breech-plug-tape-cat-no-7148.html

[wreckhog]

Lowes has a few differrent kinds of teflon tape in the plumbing dept for $2 and change. O rings too.

[SHOOTALL]

I have seen white - general plumbing etc. at normal temp. Yellow for fuel gas and pink for high heat. Never saw purple but then I ain't seen everything .

[Busta]

Busta mentioned using purple teflon tape on Huntsman breechplugs and I would like to know its specs as well as where it can be found. I tried to locate some but dead-ended.   I took my SB-2 frame off of my Huntsman barrel and replaced it with an old SB-1 frame with an AS prefix on the serial number and the older low profile hammer, so my Bushnell Banner would clear the hamme, the spur would clear the latching lever and the hammer could lock in the cocked position without altering anything! I recall reading comments
 about the use of modern Huntsman barrels ,and their pressures, on older ML frames. Are there any guidelines as to the manufacturing time period where this becomes a safety issue? I have read the FAQs in search of any such info and again dead-ended.    Ken

Ken,

I think you have your colors mixed up? I have never seen nor mentioned a purple teflon tape, I use the PINK or white. This would be the Oatey's brand. When it was still made in the U.S. it was a lot better quality, now it is made in China and is not as good IMO (and I am not just saying that). It still serves the purpose, IIRC it is also 4 times the length, and is 4 times cheaper than the T/C branded tape which is basically the same thing. Some plugs are tight, and the pink tape is thicker than the white. You can usually only get one carefully placed wrap/layer (just overlap slightly) on the plugs, if that is too tight I use the white tape.



Now as far as modern Huntsman barrels with the screw-in breech plugs, ALL of the load pressure with the exception of the primer pressure and blowback is contained in the barrel. The blowback pressure will vent out the primer carrier port, so there is really only primer pressure and recoil force on the frame itself.

[PHATINJUN]

Kody don't confuse the SB1 designation with the old H&R cast iron Huntsmans frame. IIRC The original H&R's did not have transfer bars. The NEF company started with the SB1 and 2 designations and the transfer bar safeties. I think most of that happened around 1986 87 or so. But as Busta states the pressures are in the bbl itself. How much work did you have to do to get the newer bbl fit to the old frame? Kurt

[kody]

The barrel fits very good when closed and has a faint wriggle when open. The tricky part is locating the extension just so, so that the hamme,r when cocking, just touches the receiver and relaxes about 1/ 64 th inch clearing the frame. With that as the maximum rearward setting of the spur, it clears the opening lever and the ocular bell. I had an SB-2 frame that would have required some relieving of the parts and will go that route if this doesn't work out. Now I need an extension on the spur because that is a real b---h to  operate with this big bell. I will eventually get hold of some 7075s aluminum rod, bore it and tap it for a set screw to get a workable length spur.   Ken

[kody]

   busta:  small point ,you did indeed mention purple and I picked up on it and searched all over for it, getting some very odd responses. I'm sure that you meant pink and now I know more about the products you and others have used. Do any of you happen to have any inthe containers that mention its mil thickness? You mentioned that some of the white  tape was thinner , so I'm going to check on mil thicknesses available.   Thanks to all of you,   Ken

[PHATINJUN]

Kody both the Pink and White are 3mil and the Yellow is 4mil. I think the precieved thickness differance between the white and pink is actually in the density of the materials. They have that information on thier web site. Kurt

[kody]

   Oatey does make an .0025 mil type and I think that is the "too thin " one that  "busta" mentioned.    Ken

[Busta]

   busta:  small point ,you did indeed mention purple and I picked up on it and searched all over for it, getting some very odd responses. I'm sure that you meant pink and now I know more about the products you and others have used. Do any of you happen to have any inthe containers that mention its mil thickness? You mentioned that some of the white  tape was thinner , so I'm going to check on mil thicknesses available.   Thanks to all of you,   Ken

Kody,

Please show me where I ever mentioned PURPLE TAPE! SHOW ME!

The white tape I have is not Oatey brand (generic with no label) and measures .0025", the Oatey pink tape I mentioned is .003" and is full density which makes it much stiffer than the white.

I don't know what is going on here, but I think I am done trying to help anyone in this FORUM! Since I OBVIOUSLY don't know what the hell I am talking about, and don't know PINK from PURPLE!

[Busta]

Kody,

Now that I have wasted the last 2 hours of my life, mind you that I WAS going to bowhunt this morning, during the prime rut no less. When someone says I said something that I am positive that I haven't, it really bugs me and is no "small point". So, I did a search of "teflon tape", no color mentioned to influence the search. I have also wasted the last 2 hours of my life trying to find where I ever said "PURPLE TEFLON TAPE", but just can't seem to find it, so I would like your help in that matter. I did find where I mentioned "PINK" in several threads, and seems well documented however.

Here is the results of my search. I have also went through every PM response to your PM's, and nothing ever mentioned about teflon tape, or the word "PURPLE" there either. I welcome anyone to point out where I ever mentioned "PURPLE TEFLON TAPE", and will promptly apologize when it is brought to my attention.

I think one of us has lost our mind, might even be me? The ball is in your court!

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php?action=search2

[Busta]

   Oatey does make an .0025 mil type and I think that is the "too thin " one that  "busta" mentioned.    Ken

Ken,

There you go again, trying to say something IN QUOTES that I never said. WHERE did I use the words "too thin" in any of my responses?

When you say I said something that I know I haven't, you better be able to back it up. You can't!

Did you ever stop to think that just maybe YOU were thinking "PURPLE", when I said "PINK"?

Now I know one of us has lost our minds!

By the way, Barney is "PURPLE", the Energizer Bunny is "PINK".

[SHOOTALL]

I use breech plug grease or high heat grease , why all the concern about teflon tape ? Dope used on threads serves three main needs.One to fill defects in the metal making up the threaded area. With breech plugs if defects exist it would be better to replace the plug or have bbl retaped or replaced. Second is to lube the threads to allow both easy and complete tightening of the parts togather. Third in some cases to allow for ease of removal. Of the three teflon is best suited to fill defects . Due to its thickness it will always be between the parts unless over tightened and mashed out at which point it serves nothing but to fill void in the metal. On NPT which seal by crushing togather it works well enough but has never been my choice on good threads. The exception is on trim work where the use of paste dope would create a mess . I don't have my breech plug in front of me but i think it has a stright thread and the face of the plug bottoms out to seal . If that is correct a paste or liquid that aided in smooth tighting would seem a better choice if it also had good anti sieze qualities .

[SHOOTALL]

   Oatey does make an .0025 mil type and I think that is the "too thin " one that  "busta" mentioned.    Ken

Ken,

There you go again, trying to say something IN QUOTES that I never said. WHERE did I use the words "too thin" in any of my responses?

When you say I said something that I know I haven't, you better be able to back it up. You can't!

Did you ever stop to think that just maybe YOU were thinking "PURPLE", when I said "PINK"?

Now I know one of us has lost our minds!

By the way, Barney is "PURPLE", the Energizer Bunny is "PINK".

Probaly the quality of tape that is best accepted is you can wrap it to a thickness needed . It can not be to thin in use really as it can be built up as needed. And trust me i have seen several rolls used to make sloppy joints hold .

[Busta]

This is what I came up with on Google, seems the only one that ever mentioned "Purple Teflon Tape" is you in this very thread Ken. Yours is the third one down, right after the two tape ads, and the only hit with "Purple Teflon Tape" on the whole wide world of the internet.

Don't know what you are trying to pull here, but you better show proof, or retract your statement. After all, a mans word may be a "small point" to you, but to me after everything else, it is really all you have.

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=purple+teflon+tape&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=purple+teflon+tape&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=cf8ecccc0185267d

[Busta]

I use breech plug grease or high heat grease , why all the concern about teflon tape ? Dope used on threads serves three main needs.One to fill defects in the metal making up the threaded area. With breech plugs if defects exist it would be better to replace the plug or have bbl retaped or replaced. Second is to lube the threads to allow both easy and complete tightening of the parts togather. Third in some cases to allow for ease of removal. Of the three teflon is best suited to fill defects . Due to its thickness it will always be between the parts unless over tightened and mashed out at which point it serves nothing but to fill void in the metal. On NPT which seal by crushing togather it works well enough but has never been my choice on good threads. The exception is on trim work where the use of paste dope would create a mess . I don't have my breech plug in front of me but i think it has a stright thread and the face of the plug bottoms out to seal . If that is correct a paste or liquid that aided in smooth tighting would seem a better choice if it also had good anti sieze qualities .

SHOOTALL,

The tape is not as messy as grease and anti-sieze, and works very well. After several shots at the range your grease will migrate back into your action.

If you use loose powder, try unscrewing your breech plug at the end of the day to dump and freshen the load using grease or anti-sieze. With tape it is dry and powder particals can be brushed or blown out of the threads and bullet pushed out, with grease/anti-sieze you have a mess of powder and grease or you have to use a bullet puller.

[bubba]

Last night I did some research and I have the same findings as Busta. Purple wa snever mentioned by him that I can find anywhere.

[Busta]

Last night I did some research and I have the same findings as Busta. Purple wa snever mentioned by him that I can find anywhere.

Sorry you had to waste part of your life too Bubba, over something said by someone that has NO CLUE what he is talking about.    You or anyone else won't ever find it, because I NEVER SAID IT!

[rsl]

I just Wonder lube the threads on both barrel and plug.. No problem but I don't use Black Powder.. Pioneer or Triple 7...

[bubba]

Last night I did some research and I have the same findings as Busta. Purple wa snever mentioned by him that I can find anywhere.

Sorry you had to waste part of your life too Bubba, over something said by someone that has NO CLUE what he is talking about.    You or anyone else won't ever find it, because I NEVER SAID IT!

I am more than sure you didn't.

[Busta]

kody, Ken, or whatever personality you are today,

YOU have GOT to be KIDDING ME! This just show how delusional you really are. Don't even have the ballz to come back to this thread and admit you were wrong, or worse, maybe lying?

I received this PM at the time indicated. I seriously doubt you forgot to check this thread. Don't even think about PMing me, and please refrain from saying I said things we all know I didn't. If you are trying to piss me off enough to get me banned from this site, you are doing a fine job. If the Moderators can't see you are wrong, and quite frankly off your rocker, well then I am sorry for the rest of you.

AND to answer you're PM, why don't you try the "PURPLE" o-rings along with your "PURPLE TEFLON TAPE" while you are in your delusional "PURPLE HAZE"!

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   What have you found to be the best o-rings for use in the banned plug. Name /brand ,size o.d. ,i.d. & thickness. Available from& cost ,although I don't shoot all that much anymore and the cost isn't that much of a problem if I get good results. I've been digging in past history posts and thought it would be more efficient to just plain ask?   Thanks,   Ken
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   What have you found to be the best o-rings for use in the banned plug. Name /brand ,size o.d. ,i.d. & thickness. Available from& cost ,although I don't shoot all that much anymore and the cost isn't that much of a problem if I get good results. I've been digging in past history posts and thought it would be more efficient to just plain ask?   Thanks,   Ken

Purple haze all in my brain
Lately things just don't seem the same
Actin' funny, but I don't know why
'Scuse me while I kiss the sky

Purple haze all around
Don't know if I'm comin' up or down
Am I happy or in misery?
Whatever it is, that girl put a spell on me

Help me help me
Oh no no... no

Yeah
Purple haze all in my eyes
Don't know if it's day or night
You've got me blowin, blowin my mind
Is it tomorrow or just the end of time?

No, help me aw yeah! oh no no oh help me...

-Jimi Hendrix

[SHOOTALL]

I would not lube female thread as the lube/dope would be pushed into the chamber .

[kody]

     WOW!    Busta, I deeply apologize for the trouble I have caused you. If I had only kept that so-called "small item " to myself I could have spared all of you this experience. I will try to locate what I believe you stated but I'm not  eager to redux the problem I caused in the first place. I'm one of your biggest fans and especially check eack of your postings because I have gotten nearly all of my good technical info on MLs from you. The last thing in the world I would do is call you a liar. I notice that others have stepped in and backed you on this and I would have too if I had been in their place. I don't know what I can do to help the situation except to keep away from perceived references in the belief that my memory may have altered the facts.   Ken