Author Topic: Amazon Selling And Defending a Pedophile Handbook (Read 1210 times)

saddlebum · « **on:** November 10, 2010, 06:41:57 PM »

Hard to believe they are doing this. I have sent them an email telling them what I think of them promoting child abuse. I also told them I will not be ordering from them anymore. I have also emailed all my contacts with this info, urging them to contact Amazon and to boycott them this Christmas season. Let's see if we can get them to remove this garbage from their inventory!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/amazon-com-defends-selling-pedophiles-how-to-handbook/

wreckhog · « **Reply #1 on:** November 11, 2010, 12:37:02 AM »

Did you read this book? What is in it?

skarke · « **Reply #2 on:** November 11, 2010, 02:36:22 AM »

Looks like they took it down.

powderman · « **Reply #3 on:** November 11, 2010, 03:22:23 AM »

wreck. I'm sure they'll sell you one if you'd like. Personally, no, I wouldn't read it, but you go right ahead. After all, it's your right. Censorship has nothing to do with it, it's all about MONEY and promoting perversion. POWDERMAN.

Hooker · « **Reply #4 on:** November 11, 2010, 12:51:28 PM »

Quote from: wreckhog on November 11, 2010, 12:37:02 AM

Did you read this book? What is in it?

I hope that was meant as a joke.

Pat

saddlebum · « **Reply #5 on:** November 11, 2010, 01:12:26 PM »

I have not read the book and will not read the Kindle e-book that Amazon is/was selling. The discription of the book in the authors own words is enough for me. I felt dirty enough just reading that.

"This is my attempt to make pedophile situations safer for those juveniles that find themselves involved in them, by establishing certian rules for these adults to follow. I hope to achieve this by appealing to the better nature of pedosexuals, with hope that their doing so will result in less hatred and perhaps liter sentences should they ever be caught.".......From the author.

The only response I know of from Amazon is this;
“Let me assure you that Amazon.com does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts; we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions.”
“Amazon.com believes it is censorship not to sell certain titles because we believe their message is objectionable.”

"Amazon believes it is censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe their message is objectionable. Amazon does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts, however, we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions."
http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/10/kindle-pedophile-book/

I couldn't get the e-book to come up on Amazon either today. Maybe all the press it got on CNN last night had an effect.
I've been busy today and haven't heard an update about what is going on with it today.

saddlebum · « **Reply #6 on:** November 11, 2010, 01:28:22 PM »

It is interesting to note that Amazon will not sell pornography but doesn't seem to have a problem with promoting child abuse by selling this garbage.

saddlebum · « **Reply #7 on:** November 11, 2010, 02:00:25 PM »

New news. Amazon has pulled the e-book without explanation.

Another controversial pedophilia book is still available on Amazon, however. “Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers” can still be purchased for $14.95.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/amazon-pulls-pedophilia-book-without-explanation/

wreckhog · « **Reply #8 on:** November 11, 2010, 02:16:25 PM »

Quote from: saddlebum on November 11, 2010, 02:00:25 PM

New news. Amazon has pulled the e-book without explanation.

Another controversial pedophilia book is still available on Amazon, however. “Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers” can still be purchased for $14.95.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/amazon-pulls-pedophilia-book-without-explanation/

You seem to really enjoy posting this.

saddlebum · « **Reply #9 on:** November 11, 2010, 02:36:02 PM »

Amazon sent me a reply saying that they have pulled that e-book and asked if they had resolved my issue.
I replied to them complaining about the other title. We'll see if they pull that one too.

torpedoman · « **Reply #10 on:** November 11, 2010, 02:46:07 PM »

I sent everyone on my e mail list a request that they boycott amazon and to forward the request to everyone on their list and i ask that everyone who reads this do the same.

saddlebum · « **Reply #11 on:** November 11, 2010, 03:11:29 PM »

YOUR THE (TORPEDO) MAN!!

subdjoe · « **Reply #12 on:** November 11, 2010, 03:57:40 PM »

Quote from: wreckhog on November 11, 2010, 02:16:25 PM

Quote from: saddlebum on November 11, 2010, 02:00:25 PM
New news. Amazon has pulled the e-book without explanation.

Another controversial pedophilia book is still available on Amazon, however. “Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers” can still be purchased for $14.95.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/amazon-pulls-pedophilia-book-without-explanation/
You seem to really enjoy posting this.

How typical of the o, so tolerant, diverse, and inclusive leftists - can't find any logical refutation, so go to hate filled, vile personal attacks.

wreckhog · « **Reply #13 on:** November 11, 2010, 04:46:10 PM »

He seems to be into it. I assume that he has done his due diligence and read these books, and is not just being alarmist for lack of anything productive to do. That would just be weak.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 11, 2010, 05:36:53 PM »

They are hiding behind the 1st amendment on one hand but have distributed a policy statement that directly contradicts the 1st amendment. They will do anything to make a buck if they can get away with it. Their inability to pull the book until the heat got too hot shows that they struggled with the $$ decision aspect of this. The flurry of media attention was driving up sales of the book(s) and they knew that if they pulled it off, the attention and upswing in sales would dip. They are low life’s.

saddlebum · « **Reply #15 on:** November 11, 2010, 06:10:24 PM »

I just checked and the 2nd book title is still on Amazon;

http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Loved-Boylovers-David-Riegel/dp/0967699703

Click on "Search inside this book", if the title isn't enough for you to form an opinion about this disgusting book.

DDZ · « **Reply #16 on:** November 12, 2010, 01:58:24 AM »

Thanks for posting saddlebum. This kind of garbage needs to be bought to everyone's attention. Every little thing like this book being sold, is just another small step for Pedophiles to have their perversion seen as normal, and accepted in society. There are people out there that think its not harmful for grown men to have sex with children. Its just not 13 and 14 year olds, its children as young as 3. Some people want to just sweep it under the carpet, and think it will go away. Or if its not talked about it will stay hid. These people, just like homosexuals want their perversion to be seen as normal, and they will not stop until it is.
What will the title of the next pedophile book be? "How to lure children into your bedroom" Just closing your eyes to this kind of garbage will not make it go away.
If anyone finds this acceptable they are no different than the pedophile.
Here is a quote from the author of the book.

“This is my attempt to make pedophile situations safer for those juveniles that find themselves involved in them, by establishing certain rules for these adults to follow,” writes book author Phillip R. Greaves. “I hope to achieve this by appealing to the better nature of pedosexuals, with hope that their doing so will result in less hatred and perhaps liter [sic] sentences should they ever be caught.”

Among Greaves’ suggestions are alternatives for children too small to use actual condoms and the use of “pin-up pictures of fully clothed juveniles” for stimulation to avoid arrest

Old Fart · « **Reply #17 on:** November 12, 2010, 02:55:38 AM »

Quote from: DDZ on November 12, 2010, 01:58:24 AM

“I hope to achieve this by appealing to the better nature of pedosexuals, with hope that their doing so will result in less hatred and perhaps liter [sic] sentences should they ever be caught.”

Giving it a name is thier first step to seeking public acceptance.
Won't work for me.

powderman · « **Reply #18 on:** November 12, 2010, 04:07:08 AM »

CABIN 4. Good post, true.
Saddlebum, thanks for the link.
DDZ. Good post too.
wreck. Wrong as usual. People who support filth and perversions generally have a personal agenda, right, or wrong??? POWDERMAN.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #19 on:** November 12, 2010, 05:55:34 AM »

I knew little about pedophiles other than what they are. But then watched a program on them. I was discusted with just knowing people would do such acts but after watching the program and finding out that most if not all medical and mental doctors agree that these people can't be changed it became apperant that the normal population needs to be protected from them at all cost. These people really have no place being any where near children EVER ! The concept of lighter sentences is totaly absurd to anyone with half a mind. As for amazon , they claim a person has a right to buy what they want. A company does also. Their record is clear they will sell their soul for a buck IMHO !

wreckhog · « **Reply #20 on:** November 12, 2010, 06:50:27 AM »

I am anti-censorship. Anyone buys this book, guess what, there is no guarantee of privacy, they will sell that data to anyone that buys it. Wouldn't you be happier knowing? I also disagree with Ebay/payPal policy re guns. At some level, it is all about freedom.

powderman · « **Reply #21 on:** November 12, 2010, 07:06:38 AM »

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Their record is clear they will sell their soul for a buck IMHO !

SHOOTALL. Exactly. It's all about MONEY to them.
wreck. Buy em if you want, read them too. I know all about those deviates, no need to read about them, I've seen the pain and torment that these perverts cause. I know adults who still have nightmares 40 years after being assaulted by those worthless scum. Somehow right and wrong need to enter the picture. Support them if ya want, but you'll get no support from most of us here. POWDERMAN.

saddlebum · « **Reply #22 on:** November 12, 2010, 07:19:31 AM »

As of this time, Amazon still has the 2nd title up for sale.

http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Loved-Boylovers-David-Riegel/dp/0967699703

I have not yet recieved a response to my last criticism of them selling this stuff.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 12, 2010, 07:33:56 AM »

Freedom of speech ends were breaking the law begins. Being a Pedophile is against the law. Any book that provides a perscription to get away with being one is illegal. Its the same if someone published a book on how to smuggle firearms in or out of the US. The 2nd amendment does not provide cover for smuggeling firearms.

wreckhog · « **Reply #24 on:** November 12, 2010, 07:44:11 AM »

Are the Turner Diaries illegal? This book is a WMD.

http://www.amazon.com/Turner-Diaries-Novel-Andrew-MacDonald/dp/1569800863

MGMorden · « **Reply #25 on:** November 12, 2010, 07:53:23 AM »

Quote from: Cabin4 on November 12, 2010, 07:33:56 AM

Freedom of speech ends were breaking the law begins. Being a Pedophile is against the law. Any book that provides a perscription to get away with being one is illegal. Its the same if someone published a book on how to smuggle firearms in or out of the US. The 2nd amendment does not provide cover for smuggeling firearms.

Careful there - the action is illegal, but discussions about it are not. This isn't a Freedom of Speech or 1st amendment issue at all - the book is completely LEGAL. That part isn't even debatable.

That said, Amazon as a private business DOES have the right to choose to sell or not sell certain items. Legality doesn't come into play. With that in mind, given the objectionable nature of the content, I certain think it's a wise move for them to pull the book. That doesn't say anything as to the legality of it though.

A prime example of this is "The Anarchists Cookbook". (Which Amazon DOES sell http://www.amazon.com/Anarchist-Cookbook-William-Powell/dp/0974458902/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1289587679&sr=8-1 - heck many libraries carry it). It's not pedophilia, but virtually everything IN that book is illegal to do - one of the primary topics being the making of improvised bombs/explosive devices. The fact that doing any of this stuff is illegal is irrelevant though - a book talking about HOW to do it is not breaking the law.

saddlebum · « **Reply #26 on:** November 12, 2010, 07:57:13 AM »

If someone wrote a critical book on the subject of pedophilia in an un-bias manner for information purposes, I wouldn't have a problem with that. But books written as "how to" books and an effort to legitimize abhorrent, illegal, behavior and child abuse is just plain wrong on many different levels. People like Westboro Baptist, for instance, and many others are testing the limits of free speech to the detriment of a civil and healthy society. When we talk about the right of free speech, it should be taken into consideration the personal rights of others. Like a childs right to grow up normally without being seduced or raped in the false name of a "sexual preference" of a sick adult.
There is really no legitimate excuse for printing "how to" child abuse books that explain how to break the law and destroy a childs life. Or to make an effort to legitimize pedophilia and try to make it a mainstream "sexual preference".
The big question is, what is our society coming to? Is this "progression foward" in this country really just regression in a thin disguise?
Are we no better than a butt sniffing dog?

MGMorden · « **Reply #27 on:** November 12, 2010, 08:07:51 AM »

Quote from: saddlebum on November 12, 2010, 07:57:13 AM

Like a childs right to grow up normally without being seduced or raped in the false name of a "sexual preference" of a sick adult.

We have laws that handle that. It is rightly EXTREMELY illegal (and IMHO, not punished heavily enough) for an adult to have sexual relations with a child.

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There is really no legitimate excuse for printing "how to" child abuse books that explain how to break the law and destroy a childs life. Or to make an effort to legitimize pedophilia and try to make it a mainstream "sexual preference".
The big question is, what is our society coming to? Is this "progression foward" in this country really just regression in a thin disguise?
Are we no better than a butt sniffing dog?

Here's where we get into a pickle though. What you're essentially saying is that we we should give the government the right to restrict speech, as long as it's "objectionable". The problem you're running into there though is the same short sightedness that gun grabbers suffer. What you're creating there is a crack in the dam - one that will inevitably grow. Once "objectionable" speech becomes unprotected, then it just becomes a game of them expanding and wavering on the exact definition of what's "objectionable".

The same applies to guns. There are those naive people out there that think it's fine and dandy to say that "the government should be able to stop the sale of semi-automatic assault rifles" (lets forget the sensationalist and stupid name "assault rifles" - though we know it's bologna, it's not in the minds of many voters). Most of us here would disagree with just that from the start, but there are a lot of people in the country that would foolishly believe such drivel and think that the government would never expand that power or take it further.

In the end, we accept a compromise - we have certain things that are illegal, however discussions ABOUT topics, even illegal ones, are not subject to government interference. Afterall, once they have their foot in the door, it's a short step from:

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There is really no legitimate excuse for printing "how to" child abuse books that explain how to break the law and destroy a childs life.

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There is really no legitimate excuse for printing subversive material criticizing the president and undermining our national unity.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #28 on:** November 12, 2010, 08:29:11 AM »

My Tv provider in the past has had free preview weekends of the channels that I do not subscribe to. Some of them have been pornography related. Like this book I do not agree with nor choose to watch or read them. We have heard of the other side of this circumstance and folks saying "well, don't watch it if you are offended". I agree with this statement. I also disagree with the photos of book burnings in Nazi Germany. Morales are best defined as, what you do when nobody's watching. I see the point and it is well taken, I also do not believe in the promotion of such activities.

saddlebum · « **Reply #29 on:** November 12, 2010, 09:08:45 AM »

Here's where we get into a pickle though. What you're essentially saying is that we we should give the government the right to restrict speech, as long as it's "objectionable".

I never used the word government one time. I talked about society, aka, "we the people". I know it's an old and often forgotton concept.
I am not asking the government for anything. It's sad, at best, that at least some in our society don't have a problem with books and behavior like this. Those who oppose this kind of stuff can voice their opposition with their check book.
Government can't fix a society. Only God can do that!!

I think I made myself clear about the difference between an topical book and a "how to" break the law and child abuse book.

"In the end, we accept a compromise - we have certain things that are illegal, however discussions ABOUT topics, even illegal ones, are not subject to government interference. Afterall, once they have their foot in the door, it's a short step from:"
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There is really no legitimate excuse for printing "how to" child abuse books that explain how to break the law and destroy a childs life.
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There is really no legitimate excuse for printing subversive material criticizing the president and undermining our national unity.

You are comparing apples to oranges. From previous conversations with you, I know you are all about "moderation" and compromise. As in our previous disscussion about moderation, I stand firm that there is no compromise on what's right and what's wrong. If you can't tell the difference between right and wrong, then get with God and He will help you figure it out. Right and wrong is not an opinion. Truth is definitive not subjective. Remember our, "middle of the road", chat? Society is being run down from being in the middle of the road.

In the immortal words of Forrest Gump, "That's all I have to say about that."