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Re: Amazon Selling And Defending a Pedophile Handbook
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2010, 09:32:22 AM »
I never used the word government one time. I talked about society, aka, "we the people". I know it's an old and often forgotton concept.
I am not asking the government for anything. It's sad, at best, that at least some in our society don't have a problem with books and behavior like this. Those who oppose this kind of stuff can voice their opposition with their check book.
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Religious portions of the argument aside, I will admit that I was mistaken in your intent.  The post came soon after another that suggested that this material was illegal, and I assumed your post to be further in support of that position.

I actually have no problem with customers boycotting this material, or a store that sells it.  That's completely within your rights.  As I even said earlier, I think it's a wise move for Amazon to pull the book.  I only became involved with the subject at all when the LEGALITY (ie, government involvement) of the work came into question. 

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You are comparing apples to oranges. From previous conversations with you, I know you are all about "moderation" and compromise. As in our previous disscussion about moderation, I stand firm that there is no compromise on what's right and what's wrong. If you can't tell the difference between right and wrong, then get with God and He will help you figure it out. Right and wrong is not an opinion. Truth is definitive not subjective. Remember our, "middle of the road", chat? Society is being run down from being in the middle of the road.

I'm not exactly going "middle of the road" here.  I support the first amendment on this issue (and in all issues).  That has ALWAYS been my position.  It's clear and firm, and it's not wishy-washy.  The sad fact though is that it's not always popular to support that amendment.  Too many people forget that the Bill of Rights contained 9 other amendments besides the 2nd, and none were added lightly. 

From the perspective, of saying "don't buy this, it's filth", go ahead.  I think that's a good idea and a noble effort.  I just don't support handing the government the keys to the printing presses and telling them "Start cracking down on them people saying stuff that 'ain't raht'.".   If that wasn't your intention, then we have no real disagreement.

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Re: Amazon Selling And Defending a Pedophile Handbook
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2010, 10:00:22 AM »
Freedom of speech ends were breaking the law begins. Being a Pedophile is against the law. Any book that provides a perscription to get away with being one is illegal. Its the same if someone published a book on how to smuggle firearms in or out of the US. The 2nd amendment does not provide cover for smuggeling firearms.

Careful there - the action is illegal, but discussions about it are not.  This isn't a Freedom of Speech or 1st amendment issue at all - the book is completely LEGAL.  That part isn't even debatable. 

That said, Amazon as a private business DOES have the right to choose to sell or not sell certain items.  Legality doesn't come into play.  With that in mind, given the objectionable nature of the content, I certain think it's a wise move for them to pull the book.  That doesn't say anything as to the legality of it though.

A prime example of this is "The Anarchists Cookbook".  (Which Amazon DOES sell http://www.amazon.com/Anarchist-Cookbook-William-Powell/dp/0974458902/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1289587679&sr=8-1 - heck many libraries carry it).  It's not pedophilia, but virtually everything IN that book is illegal to do - one of the primary topics being the making of improvised bombs/explosive devices.  The fact that doing any of this stuff is illegal is irrelevant though - a book talking about HOW to do it is not breaking the law.

I understand the differance. This is a "How To" book on getting away with trapping under age childeren into illegal sexual encounters.
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Re: Amazon Selling And Defending a Pedophile Handbook
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2010, 10:38:15 AM »
I just checked to see if Amazon still has the 2nd title up. They do! The only difference is the price on the book has gone up from 14.95 to 38.76. For a paperback! They are almost out of copies. Maybe when they run out of copies and make their money they will do the honorable thing and take it down.............DIRT BAGS!!!

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Re: Amazon Selling And Defending a Pedophile Handbook
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2010, 11:33:16 AM »
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This is a "How To" book on getting away with trapping under age childeren into illegal sexual encounters.




Exactly, and amazon is raking in the money, seeing  them raise the price from $15 to $39 is proof they are scum. I will never buy anything from low lifes like  that. Just down the road is a small family owned and operated country store. A few years back the owner set a jar of condom cookies on the counter, I questioned him about putting them there for all the kids to see. He said, so what??? Everybody's doing it, I said, no they aren't, only the greedy ones with no morals or values. About that time a little girl standing in line with her Dad was asking why she couldn't have a cookie. He took them away. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Re: Amazon Selling And Defending a Pedophile Handbook
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2010, 01:22:13 PM »
I just checked to see if Amazon still has the 2nd title up. They do! The only difference is the price on the book has gone up from 14.95 to 38.76. For a paperback! They are almost out of copies. Maybe when they run out of copies and make their money they will do the honorable thing and take it down.............DIRT BAGS!!!

http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Loved-Boylovers-David-Riegel/dp/0967699703

The title appears to be removed now.  That said, I'm not sure if it works the same way with paperbacks, but I know that on Kindle Editions/Ebooks, Amazon doesn't control the price.  The publishers set the price that they want and Amazon merely takes a percentage. 

As I said, not sure if paperbacks work the same way, but I know ebooks are like that.

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Re: Amazon Selling And Defending a Pedophile Handbook
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2010, 02:04:51 PM »
The last of the pedophile books were from book sellers that go through Amazon. They had raised the price. Amazon went along for the more profitable ride. Used ones were going for 37 and change. Amazons cut was increased with the price. That is if I understand how they operate. At any rate, Amazon still advertised the books till they were gone. There were only a few left the last time I looked. I guess the pedophiles that were slow in getting a copy had to pay the price.........There is no discrimination in price gouging!
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Re: Amazon Selling And Defending a Pedophile Handbook
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2010, 03:58:49 AM »
I just read on yahoo that they are hiring 15,000 temps for the Christmas season. Pimping the how to molest little boys book musta made them big bucks. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Amazon Selling And Defending a Pedophile Handbook
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2010, 04:40:55 AM »
I just read on yahoo that they are hiring 15,000 temps for the Christmas season. Pimping the how to molest little boys book musta made them big bucks. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

I think you meant to say Amazon not Yahoo?
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Re: Amazon Selling And Defending a Pedophile Handbook
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2010, 11:02:26 AM »
CABIN. No, it was  on yahoo ABOUT amazon. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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