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Muslims must like motorcycle riders
« on: November 12, 2010, 10:33:23 AM »
There is a great motorcycle forum adventure motorcycle riding called "advrider". There have been a number if threads of Americans riding through predominantly Muslim countries and not only are the riders not killed but most of the time treated to great hospitality. From all the paranoia on this board concerning Muslim hate you would think that these riders wouldn't make it a mile into one of these countries without being killed. What gives Powderman?
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Re: Muslims must like motorcycle riders
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2010, 11:35:45 AM »
The bikes probably remind them of their goats. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2010, 01:09:32 PM »
I hope you take that trip guzz. Maybe we can all read about it in the paper.
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Re: Muslims must like motorcycle riders
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2010, 01:20:16 PM »
Does it say what countries?
Jordan, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, UAE, Kuait, and Egypt are all western friendly countries.  These are the same countries that treat women well and allow them to be educated and can work outside the house.
Grab your harley strap on your Easy Rider American flag helmet and head to Yemmen, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Lebenon, Cyprus, or Libia and let me know how you are treated, what the food tastes like in the local prison, How poorly the locals on Kot can shoot, or what Al jazeria station your beheading will be on. These are the countries that treat women as property and do not allow thier education or for them to work ouside of the house.
Saudi Arabia is out of the question but if you could go the Muttawas, red robed police with the cammel whips will hit you for looking at a woman too long, not doing salat, or any other infraction to Sharia law.  Doing things we think of as polite, asking for directions and addressing the man and woman will get you whipped.
While there are different people in every group and some are good, some are bad and others are evil.  There is a problem with the system that tells people to hunt down and kill Jews and Christians.  I am sure had Mohamad been in contact with budists, Hindi, and poly theastists he would have named them as well and not lumped them into non belivers (infadels).
We speak out against the White Power religeons that teach hate and vow acts of harm to other groups that do not think the same as they do.  Satanists that want to practice Human sacrafice are told they can not.  Why do the musliums get a pass?  Right is right, wrong is wrong and if you call your self the religeon of Peace you can not go around teaching hate and war against those that do not agree with you.  The constitution is our suprime law in this land.  It basicly says that you can practice or think what ever you want as long as it does not harm Society, the next individual or commit illegal acts (sex with minors, drugs, multiple wives / husbands, or human sacrafice)
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2010, 01:59:01 PM »
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Does it say what countries?

There was a thread started yesterday of riding through Iran.
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2010, 04:36:40 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2010, 06:59:20 PM »
The multiple wives thing caught my eyes.
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2010, 07:16:16 PM »
From all the paranoia on this board concerning Muslim hate you would think that these riders wouldn't make it a mile into one of these countries without being killed.

It's a little more than "paranoia" friend. It's something called the facts. The actions of these 7th century throwbacks
and the silence from the so called moderates speak for themselves. If you are of the opinion that taking your bike over there and going for a ride would be a lot of fun, then by all means have at it. If you make it back, let us know how it turns out.

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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2010, 02:28:27 AM »
I am not about to deny there would be dangers both from radical Muslims and from generic criminals just like here. However, the people that have posted their trips into Muslim territory show respect to the people and the culture and respect was returned. Im many cases were treated better than in some of the EU countries.
As long as the world finger points at each other, believe the worst in each other and never tries to really listen to each other and find some common grounds to grow from we will never have any hope except for constant conflict and war until the end of the world.
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Re: Muslims must like motorcycle riders
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2010, 03:29:35 AM »
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2010, 07:21:39 AM »
A year ago my girlfriend took a three-week tour of Morocco; she just came back from three weeks in Peru. She's only 5'2", so couldn't fit on the KLR650s the guys were riding... rode a Honda 400 enduro, not US-market bike.
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2010, 11:31:06 AM »
I've ridden a Royal Enfield all over Turkey.  Then down through Syria, Lebanon, and into Isreal.  Then returned.  I dressed like the locals, spoke Turkish, or French when I needed to communicate, but generally kept my mouth shut.  Today there is no way you could get me to ride through Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan, or Miramar (Burma).  The other countries I would still ride through.
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2010, 10:30:40 PM »
A lot of these countries have cheap drugs (Turkey? Afghanistan?). When US college lets out for the summer, kids often look for a place where they can backpack, get high and entertain themselves for the summer at $3K or less. They crash in the local flea bag hotels and learn enough language to get laid and get high. Normally nothing happens to them. I think that one disappeared in Tibet a few months ago. A relative actually met his wife doing this. They grew up and are very respectable now. Cardiologist and accountant. There are always hikers that get jailed around Iran and China. Those tend to be older and are probably up to no good. Put enough kids out there and someone will die. Even in the US. I remember 2 girls that decided to hitchhike from a state school to spring break to save $. They were found nude in a river in Georgia with their heads caved in. Probably wasn't Muslims.

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Re: Muslims must like motorcycle riders
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2010, 01:45:46 AM »


As much a Guzzijohn, yellowtail3, wreck hog, and TM7 love the Muslims, I don’t see why they don’t just move over there with them, in say Iran. I would be glad to donate to their travel expenses’ as long as they renounce their American citizenship and stay there!
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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2010, 02:33:14 AM »


As much a Guzzijohn, yellowtail3, wreck hog, and TM7 love the Muslims, I don’t see why they don’t just move over there with them, in say Iran. I would be glad to donate to their travel expenses’ as long as they renounce their American citizenship and stay there!
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I don't think the aforementioned folks love Muslims near as much as you hate them. That's the epitaph you & Powderpuff and a couple other can share: we can hate more than others love!

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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2010, 02:58:59 AM »


As much a Guzzijohn, yellowtail3, wreck hog, and TM7 love the Muslims, I don’t see why they don’t just move over there with them, in say Iran. I would be glad to donate to their travel expenses’ as long as they renounce their American citizenship and stay there!
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« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2010, 07:20:40 AM »
Guzzi, now I want a KLR!
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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2010, 08:25:27 AM »
Guzzi, now I want a KLR!

Me too. After years of bigger/faster - GS750, GS850, GS1100G/E... I'm thinking a do-everything bike might be nice.
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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2010, 10:14:19 AM »
Popular bike by me (>50% dirt roads). Lousy for highway IMHO. Good for taking backroads to the diner. I have a KE100, which is a teeny tiny 100cc street legal 2 stroke. Kick start. Goes about 50 flat out (or 55 downhill with a tail wind), and since it is a 2 stroke, that is how I ride it. My caretaker has a KLR650. (got it as part of a mid life crisis, better than an affair per his wife....lol). Lot of KTM's by me too. With street plates. They always tell me, I know a guy....... I think that I am just gonna get a real dirt bike and plate it somehow. The cops don't seem to have an issue with kids riding dirt bikes and quads to the gas station next to the police station. Hmmm.

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« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2010, 10:18:20 AM »
Popular bike by me (>50% dirt roads). Lousy for highway IMHO. Good for taking backroads to the diner. I have a KE100, which is a teeny tiny 100cc street legal 2 stroke. Kick start.

my first bike, in 1977, was a KE100... my brother had a KH100. Loooong time ago...
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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2010, 07:48:47 AM »


As much a Guzzijohn, yellowtail3, wreck hog, and TM7 love the Muslims, I don’t see why they don’t just move over there with them, in say Iran. I would be glad to donate to their travel expenses’ as long as they renounce their American citizenship and stay there!
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I don't think the aforementioned folks love Muslims near as much as you hate them. That's the epitaph you & Powderpuff and a couple other can share: we can hate more than others love!

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Sounds like Golda Myer (Isreali Prime minister)  "we will have peace in the middle east when the Palistinain's love thier children more than they hate us"
I think what Beer belly was saying that the Constitution is the suprime law of the land.  If you want something else go live somewhere else and do not try to make the Constitution something it is not.  It is not a living breathing document that can mean many things and change over time.  It was written with words that mean exactly what is says.  If it can change how can you swear to uphold it and defend it, if it can mean one thing one week and completly the opposite the next week? 
I think the attacks from the haters of this country, enemies forgien and domestic are being lumped into one group that is the larges of the threats.  That is the radical Musliums.  There is not negotiating with them.  they want us all to convert and obey Sharia law or they want us to die.  How do you negotiate with them?  The spineless left wouold propose 1/3 convert, 1/3 does not, and they get to kill the last 1/3?  That is insane.  The apeasers are insane.  And I can see why Beerbelly says he will pay for a one way ticket to where ever.  The apeasers are the ones that want the constitution to mean other than what is written in it, finding new rights everyday making socialism easier.  We have seen Communism fail, we have seen European socialism fail, and yet these same morons propose more socialism and more weakinging of the constitution and the social fabric that has made the US a world power and something to emulate.  Gen Pershing may have had it right when he dealt with a muslium uprising in the Phillipenes- round up the ring leaders, slaughter pigs.  Dip the bullets in the Pig blood, shoot the leaders, wrap them in the pig skin pour the blood on top and bury them.  Problem solved for over 60 years.
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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2010, 08:00:10 AM »
Sounds like Golda Myer (Isreali Prime minister)  "we will have peace in the middle east when the Palistinain's love thier children more than they hate us"
I've always thought that was a compelling line, but it doesn't quite capture the whole truth of the middle east conflict.

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That is the radical Musliums.  There is not negotiating with them.  they want us all to convert and obey Sharia law or they want us to die.
The problem I see is that a lot of otherwise semi-intelligent guys don't know the diff between Muslim and Islamist or Radical Islamist, and so are willing to hate and kill every Muslim around. Some of them even claim to be Christians, believe it or not.

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Conviene a trial like Neurmeberg, and sentence him to death by firing squad Pershing style.

The Nuremburg model work great if you're more interested in a vengeance and a hangin' than you are in justice; just ask Alfred Jodl's widow.
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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2010, 08:20:28 AM »
BEERBELLY, MCWOODDUCK. Good posts both of you. Agreed. The appeasers are just as guilty as those doing the killing because they pretend it's not happening and try to convince others to further their cause.  POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2010, 08:29:20 AM »
BEERBELLY, MCWOODDUCK. Good posts both of you. Agreed. The appeasers are just as guilty as those doing the killing because they pretend it's not happening and try to convince others to further their cause.  POWDERMAN.  :o :o

who are these appeasers, Powderman, and who are they... appeasing? Give examples...
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« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2010, 08:47:12 AM »
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I think what Beer belly was saying that the Constitution is the suprime law of the land.  If you want something else go live somewhere else and do not try to make the Constitution something it is not.  It is not a living breathing document that can mean many things and change over time.  It was written with words that mean exactly what is says.  If it can change how can you swear to uphold it and defend it, if it can mean one thing one week and completly the opposite the next week? 

Where in any of these posts is the constitution not being followed?
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« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2010, 08:51:13 AM »
My family and I have travelled on American passports, as civilians (this was during a lengthy break in service from the military) throughout Lebanon, Jordan, Yemen, Dubai, UAE, Somaliland, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Azerbaijan, Kenya, Cyprus and the Turkish Republic of Cyprus. Alone I've been through Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Somalia and a couple other places. I have found tribal cultures to be as friendly as you are for the most part, but its not been without its friction. In a bazaar that specializes in old books in Africa, I made it known I was looking for the oldest Qu'ran I could find; found a lot of very old Bibles and other texts in Amharic, etc. The Somalis were excited and led me to the precise shop where I in Arabic asked to look at the oldest Qu'ran. The shopowner, a Wahab, handed me a dictionary, being funny but not in a nice way. I pulled out my pocket Qu'ran I got on the northern border of Iran and asked if he had something like that but older. His eyes got big and he said I was unclean and should not have a copy, among some other things. (Per Islam, anyone who asks for a Qu'ran must be given one by the nearest Muslim as quickly as possible). My Somali friends (who had started their Khat intake at this point) started getting ugly with the Wahab, and one led me out of the market quickly. Somali (Afar and Isa) don't like the Wahab much. Another Somali drove to my house the next morning to hand deliver me his own Qu'ran in apology, which I appreciated as a gesture. In the Muslim world I've been a welcome guest in many homes, even in uniform. I've also witnessed 2 stonings, a couple savage beatings with metal pipes, and met the widows of a couple apostates that had been brutally exectued ... all in the name of Islam.

All that to say ... the issue is far more complex than simply stating I rode my motorcycle through Iran and had no problems.
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2010, 08:59:07 AM »
In this case I think it would be more of a deterant and vengence than about Justice.
How do you punnish someone that is looking forward you killing them and going to Paradise as a reward?
You take away the reward from him and all others like him for their misbehavior.
Imprisoning him would allow him to spew his teachings and we may have copy cat (not sure what else to call it) attacks.
Killing him would provide him with a cause as well as a way into Paradise (Heaven) for his acts and many to follow him in similar attacks.
By killing him in a way that will not allow him to enter Paradise will deter others from following in his foot steps and truly punish him in his eyes.
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What I want to know is why are there double standards in the US?
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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2010, 09:15:59 AM »
All that to say ... the issue is far more complex than simply stating I rode my motorcycle through Iran and had no problems.

that it is; also sounds like it is far more complex than 'the muzzies are our enemies, anyone who disagrees with that is an enabler and appeaser!' stench I've been catching a whiff of hereabouts...
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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2010, 01:47:01 PM »
MCWOODDUCK. Sounds like you have it pretty well figured out Sir. God does not reward terrorists or other murderers with anything. The pantywetters and pc crowd are the godless ones best friends. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2010, 03:51:44 PM »
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Does it say what countries?

There was a thread started yesterday of riding through Iran.
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