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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2010, 08:34:10 AM »
For deer size game I prefer the cheaper Core-Lokts.  For elk and moose the TTSXs or Nosler Partitions get the nod.
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2010, 01:36:48 PM »
I've been around for a while and can remember the advertizing campaign that Fresca did back in the 70's. It was being billed as a woman’s soft drink. They were targeting the female market specifically. I just go for water.

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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2010, 02:46:21 PM »
Whatever, I'm guessing I weigh less than 95% of the armchair quarterbacks on internet forums.
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2010, 03:48:49 PM »
I'm guessing you got less in a few other areas as well.
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2010, 03:53:01 PM »
This is a family forum.
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2010, 05:30:01 PM »
Other men's package size isn't something I think about.  It seems you do.
I was not referring to your package. You don't think very well. A recurring theme.
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2010, 05:31:32 PM »
WHOA!!......What happened to the topic disscusion?
Are we still talking about 180 grainers here.
On second thought, forget I said that!  
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2010, 08:45:45 AM »
I agree with the 180 as being to tough,I have consistently had deer go farther with 180 grainers than 150 grains.
Now when i was young(about 40 years ago) when dogs were legal in our area the 180 was real popular with the guys running the dogs as they were walking through the thickest stuff imaginable and more often than not the only shot presented to them was a butt shot and for that the 180 grain bullet was great. Lung shoot a deer with a 180 and yep he is dead but if you dont hit the shoulder of spine and just the lungs he will go farther on average than a 150 grain bullet would allow.Not saying this is always true ,very little is ALWAYS true whether hunting or almost anything else in life just that it is most often small hole in and small hole out. I hunt alot around water(edges with a creek and a bayou close by and farther deer goes more likely he will get in the water and regardless of how good a tracker you think you are tracking in the water is impossible !I try to shoot deer in the shoulder as much as I can but if I zig when the deer zags and i hit him in the lungs I have a lot more confidence in the 150 grain bullet.
If on the other hand I lived or hunted in an area where i could watch the deer run the entire distance and was assured he would drop in the open I would have no problem with the 180 grain bullet.
In addition I find the 150 grain factory loads kick less than the 180 grain .
I remember 35 years ago when a member of our hunting camp decided that since the deer he was shooting were running so far with the 180 grain bullet that he would use the 220 grain bullet.His reasoning was that since the 220 was heavier that it was obviously more powerfull !
well you can imagine and be right that the deer went even farther. Tried to explain to him beforehand but well you know how it goes sometime ,I was younger than him.

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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #38 on: December 21, 2010, 10:12:17 AM »
I have used a 30-06 with 180 gr. bullets for fifteen years in Africa. During that time I have taken dozens of plains game species with it. The load is 55.5 grains of IMR 4831. It's running about 2550 fps.
I have used Sierra bullets for that same length of time. I did buy a box of Barnes TSX but have yet to try them.
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #39 on: December 21, 2010, 10:14:42 AM »
I gave up on lung shots years ago.   Front shoulders are where it's at.
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2010, 10:37:32 AM »
The Featherweight is stringing left to right as it heats up.  I'm going to do a temp float with shims to see if that fixes it.  I drink a 6-pack of Frescas a day.  We all have a vise I guess. ;D
They still bottle those ?  ;D
My model 70 liked 180's Coreloc or Silvertip back in the day but they destory to much meat on our smaller does , honest
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2010, 10:57:50 AM »
dribble, dribble, dribble......
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2010, 02:49:36 PM »
they destory to much meat on our smaller does , honest

Most of the time we only keep the back straps & hams.
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2010, 08:47:16 AM »
they destory to much meat on our smaller does , honest

Most of the time we only keep the back straps & hams.

Yep !
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #44 on: December 22, 2010, 10:44:01 AM »
This is a family forum.

Too late. Your unmodified post is captured for eternity in post#35.
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #45 on: December 22, 2010, 01:22:41 PM »
and?  I didn't start the vulgar talk.
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #46 on: December 22, 2010, 02:12:20 PM »
and?  I didn't start the vulgar talk.

Okay. You can blame it on the other Swampman, I guess.... ::)
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2010, 02:33:46 PM »
You started it.
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #48 on: December 22, 2010, 03:56:05 PM »

IF YOU GIRLS DON'T QUIT IT, I'M TELLEN YOUR MOM !!!   :D
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #49 on: December 22, 2010, 05:30:44 PM »
Liar, liar pants on fire!
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #50 on: December 24, 2010, 09:50:57 AM »
You can always load a 165 grainer if a 150 is to fragile/fast and a 180 gr to slow or hard.
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #51 on: December 24, 2010, 11:16:54 AM »
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2011, 05:16:33 PM »
Took a 8 point with my 30-06 with a sierra 180 match.  MADE ONE BIG HOLE!!!  And VERY accurate with a 1-10 twist barrel.
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2011, 02:11:21 AM »
You can always load a 165 grainer if a 150 is to fragile/fast and a 180 gr to slow or hard.

Most of the cup & core bullets are not too tough for deer sized game.
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2011, 07:55:42 AM »
WHOA!!......What happened to the topic disscusion?
Are we still talking about 180 grainers here.
On second thought, forget I said that!  

Yeah 180 grainer between ears .
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #55 on: January 09, 2011, 07:06:38 AM »
Let's throw another veriable into this. Has anybody noticed differences whether the bullet in question was a Spitzer vs. RN type ??
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #56 on: January 09, 2011, 08:22:27 AM »
I sold all my 180 grains for my 30-06 Springfield Ackley Improved, because I use only 147 to 168 grain with IMR-4350. I use military brass and 147 FMJ for fireforming and switch to standard Hornady Interlocks afterwards

Now I use 180 to 250 grain bullets in my 338-06 A-Square with IMR-4320, IMR-4064 and IMR-4350. My standard deer bullets are the Hornady Interlocks and when I want premium I go to the Nosler Partition without hesitation. I want to say thank you to the 30-06 Springfield for offering up its brass for my 338-06 A-Sq reloads.

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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #57 on: January 09, 2011, 01:19:22 PM »
Let's throw another veriable into this. Has anybody noticed differences whether the bullet in question was a Spitzer vs. RN type ??

They both shoot the same.  The .338-06 and the .30-06AI are a lot of work without any gain.  The same goes for the .35 Whelen.

All of them approximate the .30-06.
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #58 on: January 09, 2011, 06:54:44 PM »
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Re: 180 Grainers in the .30-06
« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2011, 09:49:35 AM »
They both shoot the same.  The .338-06 and the .30-06AI are a lot of work without any gain.  The same goes for the .35 Whelen.

All of them approximate the .30-06.

No work at all, run a 30-06 Springfield brass through a 338-06 A-SQ or 30-06 AI full length die and shoot as normal.

The 338-06 A-SQ requires zero fireforming and I have harvested deer while fireforming my 30-06 AI at the same time. The truth is these cartridge actually do improved the parent case, so to say there isn’t any gain is simple untrue.

The 35 Whelen is also another great cartridge which is grateful for the 30-06 Springfield and yes improves it as well.

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