180 Grainers in the .30-06

[Brithunter]

.270 Winchester chambered BSA Majestic Feathwerweight Deluxe using 150 Grn Federal Fusion factory ammunition. The scope is a German Lisenfeld Jaguar 3-9x42.

What is the weight of that scope?

With the lens caps on and mounts it weighs 1lb 4oz and i recently changed the Parker-Hale alloy mounts for Hilver Steel rings.. Lisenfeld are no longer in existance but I recently picked up a 6x42 Jaguar this one will either go on the .280 or another BSA .270 I have........................... decisions ............... decisons  .

Oh and I just brought an old Weaver steel tubed K4W. It should arrive in about 4-5 days depending upon the postal service.

[scootrd]

Perhaps this is a stupid question ??

However it's been my observation
The internet is filled with posts 308 vs X , 30-06 vs X ,  Would it not be better to compare Bullet construction for various applications rather at various yardage than Cartridge vs Cartridge?

or

Perhaps the comparisons should be more hand in hand  cartridge/Bullet construction/yardage Game taken  combination vs cartridge/Bullet construction/yardage Game taken combination.

Seems every rag/mag writer always touts the virtues of their "new" pet cartridge with barely a nod if any regarding Bullet used for a particular application , ie: weight retention , controlled expansion etc for a particular game sized animal.

[pastorp]

Swampman, they call that "wanton wast" here in Alaska and you would serve jail time for wasting meat. Aside from that I'm surprised you don't respect Gods creation more than that. I now understand your shoulder shot comments.

If you would learn to shoot and use and approperatite rifle you don't need to waste both shoulders. The shoulders make great stew meat or pot roasts if you don't shoot them up. Your little quipt one liners are exposing the real you and IMO you need to check your values. In the villages the younger hunters give meat to the elders that can no longer hunt. You claim to be native have you lost touch with your roots ?

[Coyote Hunter]

Such waste is illegal in Colorado as well.

[Harry Snippe]

Swampman, they call that "wanton wast" here in Alaska and you would serve jail time for wasting meat. Aside from that I'm surprised you don't respect Gods creation more than that. I now understand your shoulder shot comments.

If you would learn to shoot and use and approperatite rifle you don't need to waste both shoulders. The shoulders make great stew meat or pot roasts if you don't shoot them up. Your little quipt one liners are exposing the real you and IMO you need to check your values. In the villages the younger hunters give meat to the elders that can no longer hunt. You claim to be native have you lost touch with your roots ?

I am as white as they come but the wife is native . Game is indeed never wasted nor is any more taken than what is needed . Then too it is always shared .Something you would learn quickly if your down on your luck some time .
Sure every thing left is used by the animals and birds , but I bet those front quarters would be a welcome meal for some one in need .

[Harry Snippe]

Perhaps this is a stupid question ??

However it's been my observation
The internet is filled with posts 308 vs X , 30-06 vs X ,  Would it not be better to compare Bullet construction for various applications rather at various yardage than Cartridge vs Cartridge?

or

Perhaps the comparisons should be more hand in hand  cartridge/Bullet construction/yardage Game taken  combination vs cartridge/Bullet construction/yardage Game taken combination.

Seems every rag/mag writer always touts the virtues of their "new" pet cartridge with barely a nod if any regarding Bullet used for a particular application , ie: weight retention , controlled expansion etc for a particular game sized animal.

Good point !!, It seems every one wants to wax the same car fender in their own way , so we over over it over and over 'til the paint has long gone -so to speak.
Then after working the guns and which is better , we have also worked over what is the best bullet .I have this one and yours is better ..LOL

[yooper77]

Swampman, they call that "wanton wast" here in Alaska and you would serve jail time for wasting meat. Aside from that I'm surprised you don't respect Gods creation more than that. I now understand your shoulder shot comments.

If you would learn to shoot and use and approperatite rifle you don't need to waste both shoulders. The shoulders make great stew meat or pot roasts if you don't shoot them up. Your little quipt one liners are exposing the real you and IMO you need to check your values. In the villages the younger hunters give meat to the elders that can no longer hunt. You claim to be native have you lost touch with your roots ?

OK, so why do you waste so much meat?  You don’t save the tenderloins, or front shoulders and the ribs & neck trimmings?  Wanton waste means, “to intentionally waste something negligently or inappropriately.”

yooper77

If they needed to be tracked they were shot in the wrong place.  If shot properly they don't go anywhere because they can't.  Heart/lung shots are for bowhunters, and folks that use rifles that are too small for the task.

Regardless of what our forum expert says. I always take double lung /heart shots and save all the front shoulder meat. I follow the blood trail to the dead deer if they run, but most don’t walk out of sight.

My daughter took a seven point whitetail this past Michigan September 2010 youth hunt.  She used a T/C Encore in 223 Remington and I hand loaded a Nosler 60 grain Partition with H-4895 powder.  The shot was taken from a ladder stand at 75 yards broadside. That little bullet took out both lungs and broke a rib exiting. The deer did the rear leg kick back and ran, but I heard it crash in the timber. The blood trail was easy to follow all the way to the dead deer.

Wanton waste is a serious offense in all states and hopefully justice will prevail it’s only a matter of time and possibly the whispers of a little birdie will help who knows.

yooper77

[pastorp]

I have not seen Swampman post here on GBO since his wanton wast confession. Have any of you seen any posts by him?

Regards,

[PowPow]

his last post was January 30, 2011, 10:35:19 AM.

While there may be laws against "wanton waste" in some states, I could not find any for Alabama, where whitetail deer are a nuisance in some areas. Probably the same in the panhandle of Florida, where he is.
At one time in Alabama, farmers were allowed to shoot deer year round if they were eating crops, as long as they left them where they fell (talk about waste). Don't know if its the same now, since all the farmers are gone and the deer have invaded the suburbs.
Found out at the end of the season, that in addition to the state limits of 3 bucks per hunter, our 6 person 600 acre deer lease had a minimum 6 doe quota that we did not make. Hope we don't get evicted for not shooting enough deer.

(Interesting thing in looking for the wanton waste laws, apparently the Code of Alabama prescribes procedures for legally harvesting roadkill, whether you hit it or not)

[pastorp]

Which thread?

[PowPow]

inline or civil war. its on his profile.

[yooper77]

Believe it or not, willful and wanton waste of wildlife is illegal in Florida.

Just take a read of one story I found.

Adults and juveniles charged in poaching spree.
Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) got a call about a situation that would turn out to be one of the worst cases of willful and wanton waste of wildlife they had ever seen.

http://myfwc.com/Newsroom/08/northeast/News_08_NE_PoachingSpree.htm

yooper77

[Swampman]

Too liberal game limits are the most willful and wanton wate of game in FL and ensure we will never have good hunting.  I regularly talk to folks who kill 10-20 a year.

[Lloyd Smale]

if you feel that way why do you do it yourself?

Too liberal game limits are the most willful and wanton wate of game in FL and ensure we will never have good hunting.  I regularly talk to folks who kill 10-20 a year.

[Swampman]

I hunt for meat.  When I have enough to last until next season I quit.  I don't kill deer and give them away to those who don't hunt.

I won't lose a deer using heart/lung shots.  They are for bow hunters.

[Old Grizz]

I always use 180 gr. Hornady's in my 30-06. You can still buy Fresca?? Havn't seen it in years.

[Swampman]

You've never hunted where I hunt.  If you had, you'd understand.  North FL is where Daniel Boone was lost for 3 days.  He also said it was the only place you could starve to death in the forrest.  A deer completely lost is worse than losing a little shoulder meat.

Besides I don't really care what other folks do or think.

[pastorp]

Swampy, I was raised in the Florida swamps. I have hunted the country you hunt. I've been into the swamps so thick you couldn't see 20 ft and hardly any sunlight. That's still no excuse for not taking care of the resources God has blessed us with.
A high neck shot or high behind the shoulder just clipping The spine will put them down right where they stand without the loss of any edible meat.
The problem is not where you hunt it's with your ethics. Why don't you share with those too old to hunt for themselves anymore? The children & homeless? 

Regards,

[john keyes]

I loaded up some sierra game kings or pro hunters (hell, I can't remember) in 30-06 using H4350 or was it RL22....sigh 

anyhow the bullets were 180 gr and out of my ruger mkII they shot were damn near touching at 100 yds.  I didn't hunt with em this year though.  To me they are heavy artillery.  I feel like there will have to be an elephant or cape buffalo at my deer lease before I need em. 

I"ve briefly thought about getting some big 175 RN for my 280 Rem.   should be a good DRT combo. 

hey yooper those are some cool pics man.

[Harry Snippe]

Such waste is illegal in Colorado as well.

Well where we live here in Ontario Canada it is illegal to waste  wild meat . It is far better then to either not shoot, or for the LOVE OF MAN , to give it to some one who has kids to feed and or unable to hunt for themselves .
 I am married into a Native family and there is no such thing as a freezer full of meat- as every thing is shared amongst the family, or too given to those in need .
I will go as far as picking up road kills when ever I can as long as it is fresh and suitable for the table . Then we can only hunt one deer and need an tag for a moose .
Most years I have some meat in the freezer .Some years it is given to us , some years it is part of what we shot .

Some day you might not be able to hunt yourself , either because your got hurt and unable to get around or it is now a matter of age . You would be very happy if then some one stopped with a few steaks or some fish . Some day that might be you!!

[Lloyd Smale]

when we do crop damage shooting we give away probably half the deer we shoot. Some go to friends and family but most goes to the local feed bank. We have a butcher shop that processes and delivers them to the food bank for free. Works out good for us too. We usually bring him the deer that have excessive bullet damage. He grinds most of it into burger for them anyway so it doesnt matter to him. If i dropped of a deer even to one of my family and found out they were wasting some of the meat it would be the last one they got!

[Swampman]

Seen a lot of heart shot deer run a couple of hundred yards and never bleed a drop.  Without a dog to find them they are always lost in these woods.  You guys can use kids & ladies rifles if you like, I'll stick with the .30-06 so I don't have to look for 'em.

[scootrd]

I guess I am at a Loss why a 30-06 180 gr would be used in a Dense woods / swamp terrain. 
I can think of a lot better compact Rifles and loads.  JMHO

[Nrut]

Swampy,
Three things
1.. You are violating Florida game laws and that you cannot deny..
2.. You made a rookie mistake using a heavy slow moving bullet on those small deer..
3.. You are toast here at Greybeard and 24hr.Campfire..
Hate to see it..
 

[Swampman]

No I'm guilty of none of the 3.  I haven't used 180s on game yet but I'm going to.  I rarely post either place.  I'm still trying to understand why bones, the head, hide, and bloody meat should be eaten.  Yawn......

[243dave]

Lets get back on topic and not act like children making fun of what a man drinks, whether you like him or not, be the better man.  In swampman's case I think the 180 would serve him well because when shoulder shooting deer a 180 would be less destructive and less meat wasted.  As for shoulder shooting, I know I do it on occasion when I want a deer to drop right there.  Why do I do it occasionally ??  Many times deer run 100yds before expiring and they love to run off the steep hills I hunt making retrieval a chore, so at certain times I shoulder shoot.  I do try and salvage the meat from the shoulders even when shot thru them but many times one shoulder will be totally ruined and I don't loose any sleep.  Why not head or neck shoot ??  When hunting with a low powered scope or open sights I find it much easier to place a bullet on the shoulder, it  leaves more room for a less than perfect shot.  I hate to see a deer with its jaw shot off from someone attemting a head shot, in my opinion its worse than wasting a shoulder.  Dave       

[Swampman]

I agree on the head and neck shots.  Not someting I'd do.

[Swampman]

Too great of a chance of creating a horrible wound that will leave the animal to suffer a very slow painful death.  Seen it several times, and it's not a shot for the sportsman.

[Spanky]

A closed mind is a terrible waste!

 

Regards,

I think we are moving past the point of a wasted mind or even dumb. Its a total loss.

For someone to accuse others of being ladies and your the one who drinks Fresca. Fresca is a female drink and thats what you drink. Admit it, you don't even own a real gun and you can't kill a deer with a Red Ryder. The only deer you ever killed was on your Play Station. Lets just quite it now Swampman. We all know you rode to school on one of those funny looking short buses. You were the kid licking the bus widow while everyone stared at you as they drove by. You were never even allowed to leave the back yard and your mommy made you wear a football helmet all the time. Give it up all ready.

Daniel Boone tells us your wrong and no matter what you say, you don't need a 30-06 to kill a 75lb deer and no animal can live without a pumping heart. So who's foolin who Swampman? The only debate going on here is you against everyone else. Take your meds and try to get some rest before you blow a gasket.

Yes I noticed that. He's full of vommit. He's out here giving stern advise to everyone like he has experiance. He has none. Like I said, the only animal he ever likely shot at was on a Play Station.

Why are responses like this being posted to the thread? These are obviously personal attacks and therefore against the rules of GBO.
If you don't have anything pertinent to the topic then don't post.



Spanky

[Spanky]

I've reported this thread and certain members to the site administrators to get it cleaned up.
Some of you guys need to go back and read the rules of posting on GBO.



Spanky