yep, I know, went during mz season, saw nuthing, heard nuthing. no deer,bear, turkey. this was at spanish peaks wildlife area. hunted two private ranches, same general area, nuthing. went to north fork wildlife area, took a meat cow about 8am. bought an otc bull tag, nuthing. dont know about you BB455 but Iam looking for greener pastures next year. I've hunted 85 since the late 60's and each year it's worse. maybe go west or north, I dont' really know any more.