bo says the godless ones won't be groped like Americans.

[powderman]

http://floydreports.com/obama-gives-a-pass-tsa-wont-touch-muslims-junk/




Still taking care of his own. This new procedure is being done BECAUSE of muslims, now they don't have to go through the same degradation as Americans??? Baloney. POWDERMAN. 

[Tommyt]

The reason for the Scans say we are exempt
Holy Cow
or is it Holy Crooked Cow
Really Holy Killer Cow

Tommyt

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Airport body scanners violate Islamic law, Muslims say

By Niraj Warikoo, Detroit Free Press

Saying that body scanners violate Islamic law, Muslim-American groups are supporting a "fatwa" — a religious ruling — that forbids Muslims from going through the scanners at airports. (maybe this body scanner thing isn't so bad afterall  )

The Fiqh Council of North America — a body of Islamic scholars — issued a fatwa this week that says going through the airport scanners would violate Islamic rules on modesty.

"It is a violation of clear Islamic teachings that men or women be seen naked by other men and women," reads the fatwa issued Tuesday. "Islam highly emphasizes haya (modesty) and considers it part of faith. The Quran has commanded the believers, both men and women, to cover their private parts."

The decision could complicate efforts to intensify screening of potential terrorists who are Muslim. After the Christmas Day bombing attempt in Detroit by a Muslim suspect from Nigeria, some have called for the use of body scanners at airports to find explosives and other dangerous materials carried by terrorists. Some airports are now in the process of buying and using the body scanners, which show in graphic detail the outlines of a person's body.

But Muslim groups say the scanners go against their religion. One option offered to passengers who don't want to use the scanners would be a pat down by a security guard. The Muslim groups are urging members to undergo those instead.

Two members of the Fiqh Council are from Michigan, Imam Hassan Qazwini of the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn and Imam Ali Suleiman Ali of the Canton Mosque. "Fiqh" means Islamic jurisprudence.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, which has a chapter in Michigan, says it endorses the fatwa.

"We support the Fiqh Council's statement on full-body scanners and believe that the religious and privacy rights of passengers can be respected while maintaining safety and security," said Nihad Awad, national executive director of CAIR.

A spokesman for the Transportation Safety Administration was not available to immediately comment.

http://usatoday.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Airport+body+scanners+violate+Islamic+law%2C+Muslims+say+-+USATODAY.com&expir...

[Tommyt]

I copy pasted this Quote from attached Page
This is way to Much
These People are out of control
They need to be out of the USA

Tommyt



Special recommendations for Muslim women who wear hijab:

* If you are selected for secondary screening after you go through the metal detector and it does not go off, and "sss" is not written on your boarding pass, ask the TSA officer if the reason you are being selected is because of your head scarf.
* In this situation, you may be asked to submit to a pat-down or to go through a full body scanner. If you are selected for the scanner, you may ask to go through a pat-down instead.
* Before you are patted down, you should remind the TSA officer that they are only supposed to pat down the area in question, in this scenario, your head and neck. They SHOULD NOT subject you to a full-body or partial-body pat-down.
* You may ask to be taken to a private room for the pat-down procedure.
* Instead of the pat-down, you can always request to pat down your own scarf, including head and neck area, and have the officers perform a chemical swipe of your hands

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/11/hamas-linked-cair-tsa-may-only-search-around-muslim-womens-head-neck.html

[Bigeasy]

OK, This sounded a little off to me, so I checked with the TSA National Information Center.  ALL passengers are subject to the full body imaging.  If refused, they are offered the option of a full body pat search.  There is no provision for any "limited" pat search based on sex or religion.  "False mis-information" was the statement used by the TSA Agent when I quoted the above statement from Powderman.

The only reason I took the time to do this was just for the principle of it.  It's getting really tiring seeing people like Powderman spamming the forum with lies and mis-information.  Believe what you want when it comes to race, religion, freedom, etc........ But when you post outright lies and BS, it's just an insult to everyone else, and gives you about 0 credibility.

My 2 cents worth...

Larry

[MGMorden]

OK, This sounded a little off to me, so I checked with the TSA National Information Center.  ALL passengers are subject to the full body imaging.  If refused, they are offered the option of a full body pat search.  There is no provision for any "limited" pat search based on sex or religion.  "False mis-information" was the statement used by the TSA Agent when I quoted the above statement from Powderman.

The only reason I took the time to do this was just for the principle of it.  It's getting really tiring seeing people like Powderman spamming the forum with lies and mis-information.  Believe what you want when it comes to race, religion, freedom, etc........ But when you post outright lies and BS, it's just an insult to everyone else, and gives you about 0 credibility.

My 2 cents worth...

Larry

Thanks - at least there are some people still check facts and not going off the deep end .

I swear it wouldn't surprise me these days to check this forum and see:

"B Hussein Obama kills a kitten and gives all the muslims 40 acres and a unicorn to plow it with!!!!!!  "

Always posted without a bit of fact checking, and always assuming ANYTHING seen on the Internet is true.

[Tommyt]

He's not Lying He is simply repeating what he read
This is how the article was Printed I saw it earlier today
The header said Obama
If you look at my pasted article
They are telling their people to use Religion to refuse it
I would bet.....  a law suite to follow too test the amendment

Tommyt

[powderman]

TOMMY T. Thanks, I just posted the article, didn't write it. POWDERMAN. 

[torpedoman]

gotta realize that those running the security are not real smart and if someone acts like they know what they are saying is right the'll bluff their way thru more often than not.

[billy_56081]

I don't know Larry, everything I have read and heard says the muslims ARE pushing for an exeption. So do you think they will get that?

[scootrd]

OK, This sounded a little off to me, so I checked with the TSA National Information Center.  ALL passengers are subject to the full body imaging.  If refused, they are offered the option of a full body pat search.  There is no provision for any "limited" pat search based on sex or religion.  "False mis-information" was the statement used by the TSA Agent when I quoted the above statement from Powderman.

The only reason I took the time to do this was just for the principle of it.  It's getting really tiring seeing people like Powderman spamming the forum with lies and mis-information.  Believe what you want when it comes to race, religion, freedom, etc........ But when you post outright lies and BS, it's just an insult to everyone else, and gives you about 0 credibility.

My 2 cents worth...

Larry

Thank you!!!!!!

He's not Lying He is simply repeating what he read
This is how the article was Printed I saw it earlier today
The header said Obama
If you look at my pasted article
They are telling their people to use Religion to refuse it
I would bet.....  a law suite to follow too test the amendment

Tommyt

perhaps rather than just cut and paste from less than reliable news sources one should take the time to investigate more thoroughly and check sources prior to posting miss - information

And Yes , there are a few on these forums that always post this type of Junk without checking , I associate it with a bunch of gossipers who never gather all the facts and spread only half a story or half truths at best.

"It must be true , I read it on the internet"

[powderman]

BILLY. Yes, I believe bo will see to it. I just got a great idea. Why not just ban muslims from our aircraft, then nobody will have to go through this. I still believe the article, sounds just like bo. POWDERMAN. 

[guzzijohn]

I still believe the article, sounds just like bo. POWDERMAN.

All I can do is sadly shake my head. Cried wolf one to many times.

[powderman]

I still believe the article, if I didn't I would not have posted it. Believe what you want. You don't like the truth, use the scroll, it will take you somewhere else. As I said before, friends of mine went through this a week  or so ago, 7 or 8 muslims went right on through, no scan, no body search. Gots ta be pc ya know. POWDERMAN. 

[myronman3]

good job, larry. 
  i wont be taking this opportunity to punch powderman in the nose....instead i think powder can use it as a learning experience.    the thing is, along with left wingnuts lying; there are some right wingnuts that lie everybit as much.   it is always good to stop and access something you read or hear and ask yourself if it is true.   then maybe do some checking.   always keep in mind people that write such things have an agenda.    be especially suspect if the article you are reading is from a political website that leans one way or the other.  it is really hard to find a news outlet you can trust these days. 
   so the lesson is, believe half of what you see and less of what you hear or read.  i know powderman is a good guy with the best of intentions; as are most of you here or i wouldnt waste my time.   instead of kicking him while he is down, help the man up.  and, those who are helped up need to remember the grace when it is someone else who is down....

[yellowtail3]

The only reason I took the time to do this was just for the principle of it.  It's getting really tiring seeing people like Powderman spamming the forum with lies and mis-information.  Believe what you want when it comes to race, religion, freedom, etc........ But when you post outright lies and BS, it's just an insult to everyone else, and gives you about 0 credibility.
My 2 cents worth... ;DLarry

Well said, and wholly appropriate.

...instead i think powder can use it as a learning experience.    the thing is, along with left wingnuts lying; there are some right wingnuts that lie everybit as much.

Absolutely true. For years, while a member of the VRWC, I looked up libs/leftists with a sort of disdain for their moral inferiority. When they referred to Dubya as 'chimp in chief' with the nasty caricatures, I thought... well, that's because they're immoral, and because of their ideology.

THEN, in the last 2 years, I've watch people on the right do the same sort of thing - if anything, uglier. That's what slavish devotion to an ideology will do - lead one to treat their fellow men like Enemies, and be a sucker for everything that seem to vindicate the views they already have.

always keep in mind people that write such things have an agenda.    be especially suspect if the article you are reading is from a political website that leans one way or the other.  it is really hard to find a news outlet you can trust these days.  

Yep. Unfortunately, ideologues aren't interested in ferreting out what is/isn't true - they're more interested in finding evidence to support the positions they've already taken. I used to do it all the time - but a couple of life-changing experiences have led me to try to change that bad habit.

[SHOOTALL]

For what itis worth a group ( sorry can't remember their name ) filed a complaint with the court today. They feel it violates the un-due search clause in our law . It would appear many feel this way.
 At some point we will need to re-think our law on profiling and be honest about it. If every criminal wears a ball cap why waste time checking guys with cowboy hats on ?
I dare say the Muslims that bomb and kill look different from those who do not. It may be in their travel history or other traits but it is there and we must start to look .

[powderman]

I've read nothing proving the story is not true, and none of you here have posted anything proving anything either. Believe what you want. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?entry_id=77140



Heres your beloved tsa in action searching a desperate criminal. YEP, I'd believe everything they tell me. I believe my friends who told me about their experiences, go ahead and believe the tsa if ya want, after all, the govt is there to help you.  POWDERMAN. 

[myronman3]

I've read nothing proving the story is not true, and none of you here have posted anything proving anything either. Believe what you want. POWDERMAN. 

so, i can make accusations against you, and until you prove them to be untrue, you are guilty....this is according to your line of thought?   that is un-american.   

  the fact is they need to quite trying to fight this with technology.  they need to start profiling and checking prior travel history.   it is really that simple.    when the terrorist attackes are committed by middle eastern males between the ages of 18 and 50; it isnt doing any good shaking down the 80 year old black grandmother, or three year old white toddlers.  it is all really pretty simple.   

[SHOOTALL]

I've read nothing proving the story is not true, and none of you here have posted anything proving anything either. Believe what you want. POWDERMAN. 

so, i can make accusations against you, and until you prove them to be untrue, you are guilty....this is according to your line of thought?   that is un-american.   

  the fact is they need to quite trying to fight this with technology.  they need to start profiling and checking prior travel history.   it is really that simple.    when the terrorist attackes are committed by middle eastern males between the ages of 18 and 50; it isnt doing any good shaking down the 80 year old black grandmother, or three year old white toddlers.  it is all really pretty simple.   

Easy now we wouldn't want to offend the ones with all the bombs now would we .........

[351 power]

would airlines be obliged to load a passenger that does not submit to search protocol? would compliant passengers have a voice in the non-compliance of other passengers? can a concerned passenger get back out of the checked in areas to complain to those airlines involved or hold up the flight? should passengers speak up when it counts?

[FourBee]

I didn't read the reports, just wanted to see the comments. 
What I read is two men with two seperate reports.  There may not be 100% truth in either of those reports.   But it does seem a silly waste for airport security to frisk a Nun. 

[powderman]

the fact is they need to quite trying to fight this with technology.  they need to start profiling and checking prior travel history.   it is really that simple.    when the terrorist attackes are committed by middle eastern males between the ages of 18 and 50; it isnt doing any good shaking down the 80 year old black grandmother, or three year old white toddlers.  it is all really pretty simple.   



Exactly, I agree, but that would make too much sense so ya know they aint gonna do that. POWDERMAN. 

[SwampThing762]

I will no longer travel by airplane now.  This "pat down" by placing hands in the genital areas, and upon the breasts of women, is a sexual assault by definition, assuming the refusal of the scanner.   I do not know about other states, but that is a felony in Florida.  The summary of the statute is as follows:

Sexual assault is physical contact of a sexual nature in the absence of clear, knowing and voluntary consent.

An individual cannot consent who is:

· Obviously incapacitated by any drug or intoxicant
· Who has been purposely compelled by force, threat of force, or deception
· Who is unaware that the act is being committed
· Whose ability to consent or resist is obviously impaired because of mental or physical condition
· Who is coerced by supervisory or disciplinary authority

[SwampThing762]

Continued.....

Notice the last part.  TSA definitely constitutes disciplinary authority.   If you fly over the holidays, and refuse the scanner, have a witness and a cell phone capable of audio and video.   Also, definitely contact your Congressman and United States Senator.   

ST762

[SwampThing762]

Also another point.  The placing of hands on a minor under color of authority is child molestation, another felony.  Why are these people not arrested and prosecuted?

ST762

[myronman3]

  i will not subject myself of my family to this madness.   until it stops, i will either drive or walk.   if i can not do either, i am not going.  the airlines, t.s.a., and everyone else involved can kiss my posterior.   

[powderman]

  i will not subject myself of my family to this madness.   until it stops, i will either drive or walk.   if i can not do either, i am not going.  the airlines, t.s.a., and everyone else involved can kiss my posterior.   

YEP, agreed Sir. POWDERMAN. 

[dukkillr]

Also another point.  The placing of hands on a minor under color of authority is child molestation, another felony.  Why are these people not arrested and prosecuted?

ST762

You do realize that you are giving them consent when you agree to travel by plane?  I'm not saying it's right, just telling you why it's not a felony.

[SwampThing762]

Until you have stepped onto the plane, they have no jurisdiction.  Therefore, if you do not give consent, a crime is in commission.  A statute will trump a policy any day, and twice on Sunday.