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And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« on: November 18, 2010, 02:45:38 PM »


Calif. prosecutors say they'll charge TSA agents if pat-downs are inappropriate
  By Mike Rosenberg, San Mateo County Times, Calif. November 17, 2010


As nearly 2 million holiday travelers pack Bay Area airports starting Friday, local prosecutors have a warning for overzealous security agents performing the new federal pat-down: touch passengers the wrong way, and we'll throw you in jail.


Although authorities in San Mateo and Santa Clara counties said they have not received any criminal complaints since the pat-downs began this month, the searches can involve touching of the genital and breast areas, which critics say is akin to sexual assault.


The Transportation Security Administration says the pat-downs are rare and most commonly used when travelers opt not to travel through the full-body X-ray scanners, which reveal what is underneath passengers' clothes and are used at all three Bay Area airports. Passengers who refuse both options would not be allowed to travel and the TSA could even fine them up to $11,000 if they delay other passengers.


The San Mateo and Santa Clara district attorneys' offices said Wednesday that they would bring charges against TSA agents at San Francisco and San Jose airports, respectively, who commit sexual crimes during searches. They said charges would be evaluated case by case and that prosecutors would take into account the fact that the agents were doing a job.


But what happens if they cross the line? That's sexual battery, said Steve Wagstaffe, San Mateo County's chief deputy district attorney.


Wagstaffe said it's no different from when prosecutors charge dentists, doctors, or even police officers who abuse their power by touching people in a sexual manner. He said the key to proving a criminal offense is the sexual intent behind the groping.


"TSA does not have any special immunity from everybody else," Wagstaffe said. "If an employee of TSA inappropriately touches the privates of another person, and they do so with a sexual or lewd intent, then that's either a misdemeanor (if it's over the clothing) or a felony crime (possible when touching the skin)."


The pat-down backlash swept the nation this week when a fed-up San Diego passenger posted to the Web a recording of his encounter with a TSA agent in which he told the worker he would have him arrested if he touched his "junk." Another online recording showed a 3-year-old being searched aggressively in Tennessee.


"You must unfortunately be prepared for these screenings. There's no question you lose some dignity over what they're doing and it's not a terribly pleasant experience," said Henry Harteveldt, a San Francisco-based aviation analyst with Forrester Research. He advised passengers to evoke their right to have a witness present during a search.


A TSA spokesman did not return calls for comment Wednesday but the agency's administrator, John Pistole, told congressional leaders that he understood the privacy concerns but government must provide the best possible security for air travelers.


Pistole acknowledged that the new procedures were more invasive but said they were necessary to detect potential terrorist threats.

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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....EPIC lawsuit
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 03:27:22 PM »
•In Opening Brief, EPIC Urges Federal Appeals Court to Suspend Airport Body Scanner Program: EPIC has filed the opening brief in EPIC v. DHS, No, 10-1157, a case that challenges the unilateral decision of the TSA to make body scanners the primary screening technique in U.S. airports. Three frequent air travelers are joining EPIC in the lawsuit: security expert Bruce Schneier, human rights activist Chip Pitts, and the Council on American-Islamic Relations legal counsel Nadhira Al-Khalili. The Petitioners have brought claims under the Administrative Procedure Act, the Privacy Act, the Video Voyeurism Prevention Act, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, and the Fourth Amendment. The Petitioners are seeking the suspension of the body scanner program. In its brief, EPIC argues that the Department of Homeland Security "has initiated the most sweeping, the most invasive, and the most unaccountable suspicionless search of American travelers in history." EPIC further argues that the Transportation Security Administration "must comply with relevant law, and it must not be permitted to engage in such a fundamental change in agency practice without providing the public the opportunity to express its views." For more information, see EPIC: EPIC v. DHS and EPIC: Whole Body Imaging Technology. UPDATE: Read EPIC's press release here. (Nov. 1, 2010)

EPIC Challenge to Airport Body Scanner Program Moves Forward in Federal Court: The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit has set a briefing schedule for EPIC v. DHS, No. 10-1157, EPIC's challenge to the airport body scanner program. EPIC has alleged that that the Department of Homeland Security has violated three federal laws (the Administrative Procedures Act, the Privacy Act, and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act) and that the body scanner search itself is unconstitutional, given what the courts have said about the permissible scope of airport screening procedures. EPIC's initial brief will be due November 1, 2010. Subsequent briefs from DHS and EPIC will be due by December 15, 2010. In earlier open government litigation against DHS, EPIC obtained evidence that the devices are designed to store and record images. For more information, see EPIC - EPIC v. DHS (Suspension of Body Scanner Program).
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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 03:53:36 PM »
Someone in dc dropped the ball on this one. They should have made a tsa cop show then the sheep would have fallen right in line for the tsa cop grope. Just something to think about while watching the new cop shows.

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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 06:30:23 PM »
This does not have a Damn thing to do with were they touch you?  What it has to do with is the promotion of the Police state.  The 4th Amendment right of illegal search is what is being tested here. Just think our fore fathers wanted Americans to be protected against these searchs.  They knew what followed this trend, we should also, The next move will be to pat you down before entering Post Offices and later your favorite Big Box store. The growth of the Federal Police Force under radical leftest will grow by large margin to enforce this scheme. It is working Americans as always are worried about their privates while the government is taking away there freedom to move about there nation freely  without being held without warrants. The Jewish state which is in the eye of the storm does not do this, no other free nation does this. We are conditioned to believe that a 4 year old child is as much of a danger as a young Arab male dressed in traditional garb and chanting a death prayer down the jetway.

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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2010, 12:45:19 AM »
There's a simple solution to anyone who doesn't want to be screened or groped--take a bus.  You guys act like there's no such thing as al-Qaeda.

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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2010, 03:36:59 AM »
I've been not flying since about 1962 and plan to continue that stategy.

It does however, amuse me when the authorities try to convince us that a mild, or almost grope could ever hope to discover something.  We all know where a woman would most likely be carrying something if she really wants to hide it.  So all this touchy feely stuff is just an illusion.  If you're really serious about flying security, it's full body cavity searches, or nothing.
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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2010, 03:38:19 AM »
Then, I say nothing.

We can also take the train.   Let's kill the airlines by not flying, and help the passenger railroad industry by taking the train.  We can also help the car industry by driving to our destinations.  And, hell yes, let's start profiling.  I believe we should start with those wearing burqhas.  Who is to say a male bomber is not hiding the "goods" in some over-the-shoulder-bolder-holders?  I guess, then, we have a bra bomber.

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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2010, 07:29:34 AM »
There is one airport in Fl that has opted out of this stuff going to a private security outfit.
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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2010, 07:42:53 AM »
Personally, I will not go through the scanner.
If I am patted down I will make comments to degrade and humilliate the person doing the pat down as much and a clearly as I can.
Fist I will make them change their gloves.  they are not going to pat me down with the same gloves they were wearing with the previous person.
I will call the guy Princess.
"You are not going to touch me with the same gloves you touched other people with.  I do not want their body lice, fleas, germs , body odor, or what ever was on the last person on me.  Or is the Body Oder coming from you?
I am not easy or cheap he will need to buy me dinner and a few drinks before you get to touch me."
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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2010, 09:36:52 AM »
They are winning ! They have succeded at getting Americans fighting each other . We are trying to apply PC BS to a world that is laughing in our face. The idea for them is to make it cost us and they are winning . They control how much shampoo we tote on a plane. They control the knee jerks when some wire and a battry is found in a bus station or airport. They are controling us . We now have Americans pat serching or looking at nude like pictures of each other while they say its aginst their religion and claim foul , we lose they win . Someone at the top needs to say enough is enough cut the PC bs and take the gloves off , lets get it finished right now. No one covers their face in public , no one rides with out being checked , no one ties up traffic to pray etc etc. NO MORE SPEICAL INTREST , NONE !
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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2010, 10:18:46 AM »
Good luck with enforcing any of that.  If I want to cover my face, or anything else in public, I'll do it.  As for taking the gloves off, I've been for that all along.  And by that I mean to go bare knuckles, or bare nukes with the terrorists wherever and whenever we hear about em, see em, or just think they might be present.  The world should be warned that that is the way we deal with terrorists and they allow, or harbor them at their own risk.

I'll not be holding my breath until any of that happens, but maybe someday we'll get a government that cares about this country more than the well being and legal rights of terrorists.
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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2010, 10:51:28 AM »
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There's a simple solution to anyone who doesn't want to be screened or groped--take a bus.  You guys act like there's no such thing as al-Qaeda.

You act like someone else besides a muslim was messing with airplanes....

You actually came right out and mentioned just WHO we should be groping....
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You guys act like there's no such thing as al-Qaeda.
and you didn't even stumble or studder when you blurted it out.  YES...I agree with you on this...there is a such thing as al-Qaeda...and they are not grandma and grandpa and little american kids...

you nailed it without even knowing it.....profile who we need to profile and leave the rest alone.  The only complaints you'll get is from muslims then. They are the ONLY ones who have messed with airplanes in recent history.

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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2010, 11:45:07 AM »
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There's a simple solution to anyone who doesn't want to be screened or groped--take a bus.  You guys act like there's no such thing as al-Qaeda.

You act like someone else besides a muslim was messing with airplanes....

You actually came right out and mentioned just WHO we should be groping....
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You guys act like there's no such thing as al-Qaeda.
and you didn't even stumble or studder when you blurted it out.  YES...I agree with you on this...there is a such thing as al-Qaeda...and they are not grandma and grandpa and little american kids...

you nailed it without even knowing it.....profile who we need to profile and leave the rest alone.  The only complaints you'll get is from muslims then. They are the ONLY ones who have messed with airplanes in recent history.

What I have a problem with is the randomness of the searches.
Either search everyone or no one.  picking people that are not likely to be terrorists is not effective.
If they are searching every 25th person through the metal detector.  Are they really doing every 25th of a muslium woman is #25 are they going to let her pass and pick Betty White as #26 because she will not put up a fight and scream.
My other problem is the image machines.  They are storing the data.  Thye have pictures of people naked for the most part and are keeping them and sending them places.  If they send a kid (any one under 18 years old) through is that child pornography, storing it possesion of Child Porn and sending it to a data base or other terminals is that diseminating Child Porn?  Who do you charge with that serious crime?  Head of TSA, Home Land Security, or the local branch head of TSA?
The 4th amendment says I am not subject to unreasonable search and sezures.  There was not a crime commited, I should not be detained and searched with out probable cause.  I have already gone through a metal detector and had my posesions X rayed.  If there was something that made them want to search me due to the metal detector or the X ray search of my posesions then OK but pulling random searches, keeping images that have no value that are degrading is not neccessary.  If there was a Deli counter number dispenser and everyone going through the metal detector pulls a tab if you get one that says search then i would believe it was random.  The TSA agents pulling this person or that aside is not random. If you have to check 20 people an hour you are going to pick the ones that are not going to give a fight, are not going to yell about thier religon or other.  Just grab joe or Jane 6 pack, grope them and send them on their way while the girl in the Burka does not have to remover her veil while showing ID to get on the plane is allowed to skirt through because she whould raise holly heck if they patted her down screaming racial or religous profilling.


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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2010, 12:40:32 PM »
+1 Range Rider. CONTROL.

Sadly I have to make a flight in the future to move my mom back to the northwest. After that, no way, zip, nada. I'll keep my freedom and drive. They wanted toll roads here in WA  also. Or was it they wanted an RFID chip in your car so they could see where you were at? My cell is in a battery removed state unless I want to make a call as well. No, I don't have anything to hide. Why does my corrupt gooberment make me feel like I should? Why am I labelled as a person to watch because of my veteran status? I want my Liberty back. I want to feel like I am living in the nation I was raised to believe in, and swore an oath to defend.

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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2010, 12:58:15 PM »
you nailed it without even knowing it.....profile who we need to profile and leave the rest alone.  The only complaints you'll get is from muslims then. They are the ONLY ones who have messed with airplanes in recent history.

Perhaps you have come up with a way to determine a person's religion by their appearance.  Please share it with the world.  I'd gladly agree  to a no-Muslim flight rule.  Maybe we could require all airline passengers to swear they have no explosives in their colons or vaginas.  Until then, either submit to a screen or a grope or take a bus.  This no-screen movement, if successful, will shut down 3/4 of all American airports. 

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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2010, 01:44:19 PM »
you nailed it without even knowing it.....profile who we need to profile and leave the rest alone.  The only complaints you'll get is from muslims then. They are the ONLY ones who have messed with airplanes in recent history.

Perhaps you have come up with a way to determine a person's religion by their appearance.  Please share it with the world.  I'd gladly agree  to a no-Muslim flight rule.  Maybe we could require all airline passengers to swear they have no explosives in their colons or vaginas.  Until then, either submit to a screen or a grope or take a bus.  This no-screen movement, if successful, will shut down 3/4 of all American airports. 
UHHH let me think.
Musliums come from the middle east so anyone carrying a middle east passport would be a good place to start.  Since you need to show ID, the last names too are pretty specific.  A few Italians or Greeks may get asked to be searched.
The women dress in a very specific way, so them and the men traveling with them.  Would be good indicators.
If we were looking for IRA guys that were attacking us for some reason anyone with an Mc or O' in their last name would be searched.  Even if you grabbed an American with celtic ancestory, a English, Scot or Other with an Irish shounding name they would under stand why the extra scruteny and not yell your racially profilling me.  they would show they are not IRA and move on.  Looking for IRA people and searching Juan Lopez the Mexican Illegal gardener is not going to productive in stopping the IRA.  The same with these terrorists.  Clearly there is a Profile of all the terror attacks have been done by middleeastern males from 18 to 38. 
Flight crews that are bringing handguns into the cockpit are being searched.  Let me say that again.  The PILOTS that have handguns are being searched.  If they wanted to shoot someone at 38,000 feet they can.  If they wanted to fly the plane into a building they can, they are at the controls of the plane and a pat down is not going to stop them from doing so.

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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2010, 02:22:31 PM »
News showed a  female pilot who was searched 2 weeks ago and she has charged the tsa with sexual assault and refused to fly if she has to go through it again.  Now pilots will not be treated like the rest, they will not have to be groped or scanned, flight attendants may be next. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2010, 02:51:27 PM »
you nailed it without even knowing it.....profile who we need to profile and leave the rest alone.  The only complaints you'll get is from muslims then. They are the ONLY ones who have messed with airplanes in recent history.

Perhaps you have come up with a way to determine a person's religion by their appearance.  Please share it with the world.  I'd gladly agree  to a no-Muslim flight rule.  Maybe we could require all airline passengers to swear they have no explosives in their colons or vaginas.  Until then, either submit to a screen or a grope or take a bus.  This no-screen movement, if successful, will shut down 3/4 of all American airports. 
UHHH let me think.
Musliums come from the middle east so anyone carrying a middle east passport would be a good place to start.  Since you need to show ID, the last names too are pretty specific.  A few Italians or Greeks may get asked to be searched.
The women dress in a very specific way, so them and the men traveling with them.  Would be good indicators.
If we were looking for IRA guys that were attacking us for some reason anyone with an Mc or O' in their last name would be searched.  Even if you grabbed an American with celtic ancestory, a English, Scot or Other with an Irish shounding name they would under stand why the extra scruteny and not yell your racially profilling me.  they would show they are not IRA and move on.  Looking for IRA people and searching Juan Lopez the Mexican Illegal gardener is not going to productive in stopping the IRA.  The same with these terrorists.  Clearly there is a Profile of all the terror attacks have been done by middleeastern males from 18 to 38. 
Flight crews that are bringing handguns into the cockpit are being searched.  Let me say that again.  The PILOTS that have handguns are being searched.  If they wanted to shoot someone at 38,000 feet they can.  If they wanted to fly the plane into a building they can, they are at the controls of the plane and a pat down is not going to stop them from doing so.

If a person's intent is to destroy a plane he/she would probably have a passport showing his/her name as Joe or Jane Jones.  They'd live in Toledo according to the passport and have blond hair.  No, the only solution is to screen and grope or to shut down all American airports.  But perhaps that's what the far right wants--they could blame it on Obama.

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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2010, 03:04:33 PM »
It's been a big year for travel for me, about $10K worth since last April. I sent copies of my receipts to the president of the airline I flew, Delta, and told him that I will not be flying his airline again until TSA stops this crap.

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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2010, 04:43:29 PM »
You guys are in big trouble when you go for a prostate exam. Which is typically negative (ie unneeded) and can be replaced by an MRI.

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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2010, 05:29:13 PM »
You guys are in big trouble when you go for a prostate exam. Which is typically negative (ie unneeded) and can be replaced by an MRI.



Thats done in private, not in the midst of  thousands of gawkers, big difference. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2010, 05:58:42 PM »
According to the book of Genesis the pat downs are OK
Didn't Abraham say "Put your hand under my thigh"
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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2010, 07:52:43 PM »
I wonder if a child molester could use that as a defense in court  ???

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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2010, 03:09:45 AM »
You guys are in big trouble when you go for a prostate exam. Which is typically negative (ie unneeded) and can be replaced by an MRI.

With a very different price tag I presume. ;)
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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2010, 04:11:57 AM »
I wonder if a child molester could use that as a defense in court  ???


I doubt it but you can bet the child molesters, pedophiles, gays, and lezzies  are lining up for tsa jobs. POWDERMAN.  :D :D
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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2010, 10:47:24 AM »
ALL of this crap we have to endure in airports are due to the muslim invasion. NOT catholic. NOT sikh. NOT buddhist. IF our mamby pamby gooberment had any intestinal fortitude  whatsoever, they would HONOR their OATHS, and defend this nation. Instead what do they do?? Resort to tyranny and opression.  >:(

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« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2010, 10:22:04 AM »
I wonder if a child molester could use that as a defense in court  ???
Is the scan Child Porn?  17 years old and younger.
Is the government in posession of child porn in storing the images everytime a kid goes through the scanner?
They do not delete those photos they store them.
When they send these pictures from place to place for storage is that dissemination of Child Porn and who do you charge?

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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2010, 10:34:18 AM »
Charging could be the easy part. being able to afford to charge and see it through to trial is the problem. That is what our elected "officials" should be protecting us from, is the opression and tyranny of gooberment mandated groping.  Metal detectors, explosive/ drug dogs should be resonable enough measures. Beyond that, target the enemy! Refuse muslims the ability to board aircraft. Let THEM take the train or the bus. Better yet, if they aren't US citizens deny their passports and visas.

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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2010, 11:51:49 AM »
It amazes me the people that think this is being done because the government cares about us. If they did care about us they would be narrowing their searches by profiling, and not looking in everyone's pants. Also they would be shutting down the boarders.
I think the Israeli's are about the best there is when it comes to counter terrorism, and they do profiling at airports. Also they don't use porn machines.  They could care less if your grandmother is taking nail clippers or tweezers on a plane. They pay more attention to people than objects. Also the Israeli agents are highly trained and experienced. They don't employ a bunch of buffoons like the TSA.
The TSA is fighting the last war. They are not looking for anything the terrorists might use next. Just because someone named Umar had a bomb in his underwear, they think they have to search everyone's underwear.
The Israeli's use real security measures to keep their passengers save. Even when suicide bombers were blowing themselves up in Israeli cities not one of them got on a plane.
Here we are doing naked searches on kids, grandma, and grandpa. Welcome to the police state people. If some of you think that its fine that they do these types of searches in the name of safety, its your right to think so, but don't bitch when more of your rights, and liberty are gone. If you don't pay attention to your liberty, it will be gone.             
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Re: And the pat-down controversy continues.....
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2010, 12:29:25 PM »
Lots of good posts here, glad some of us see the truth. If it weren't for muslims and their appeasers none of this would be happening. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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