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Re: Will you get any social security money?
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2010, 03:03:59 AM »
It's gonna be interesting come 2012 and the tea party's government shutdown.  Like I said elsewhere, clean out your spare bedroom for the day when grandma suddenly can't pay her rent.  And prepare yourselves for a call from a nursing home saying come get such and such elderly relative.  Start learning how to change IVs and adult diapers.

But most of all, continue blaming the government's financial problems on gnat-like individual welfare recipients.  Place zero blame on the untold trillions given to camel-like oil companies in the form of a tax exemption named depletion allowance.  And be sure you swallow the camel-like billions given to farmers not to farm or as subsidies.

But whatever you do, continue griping about giving a $1 food stamp to a hungry kid while you admire the new $250,000 tractor a local farmer just bought with your tax money, and be sure you brag about the new $5,000,000 house your cousin the oil company executive just bought with your tax money.  And last but not least, be proud of the $10,000,000 courthouse your taxes built mainly so the local lawyers would have a place to hold trials.


  

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Re: Will you get any social security money?
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2010, 03:50:16 AM »
There are a few things you all might like to ponder about SS.  First, when you're calculating what you pay, or paid into SS, remember that your employer paid in a matching amount, or if you are self employed, you pay double.

It is said that Congress spent the SS fund.  Well technically the excess in the fund since the Eighties was loaned to the federal treasury and yes the Congress spent it, but the federal treasury is obligated to pay it back to SS.  By law, that was all that could be done with the excess. 

Some might prefer that the excess were invested in private enterprise.  That might, or might not be a good idea, depending on who makes the decisions about the investments and how well they work out.  Private enterprise for all its merits is still a gamble over the long haul and must be managed well every bit as much as government must be to survive.

Personally, I would not want Congress to have any more influence on the stock market than it already has.  Can you imagine the games Congress could play if it were able to manipulate the market with the billions in excess that were in the so-called SS trust fund?

For those of you who would be willing to see your contributions go down the drain if you could just drop out.  I wonder if you would be that generous if you had paid into a private insurance, or pension plan that had financial problems.

I haven't seen one plan, or proposal by the Bush administration, the Tea Party, or anyone else that would eliminate the SS program sompletely.  Bush wanted to allow young workers to begin to invest a portion of their contributions into private investments, much the same as 401K plans.  I have no problem with that, but anyone who thinks the stock market is a sure thing, just hasn't been paying attention.

Prudent people will take advantage of 401K's, IRA's and anything else they can.  I'm happy to say that I did all of that and I draw a really nice pension from my employer.  I am also happy to draw my Social Security benefits.  It's all good.
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Re: Will you get any social security money?
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2010, 04:03:23 AM »
BOBG. Thanks. My 86 year old mother retired as post mistress so I reckon duk sees her as leaching off the govt teat too. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Re: Will you get any social security money?
« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2010, 04:07:52 AM »
Scoot, I'd love to have my SSI go into a private 401k fund. I myself have done great throughout the highs and lows of the stock market. When under GWB the stock market hit an all time record high, I sold and put it into fixed interest. After it dropped way down I shoveled it back into the market, I let it rise and took it out now. I guess maybe investing is not for the dumb.

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Re: Will you get any social security money?
« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2010, 04:48:45 AM »
Thank God for the TEA Party. They are one of the few groups trying to stop the real enemis of this country. Which includes the real Axis of Evil (Obama, Pelosi & Reid). One down and 2 more to go on the Axis.
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Re: Will you get any social security money?
« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2010, 05:04:00 AM »
It's gonna be interesting come 2012 and the tea party's government shutdown.  
  

Gonna be sooner than that , If the Tea Party folks stick to what they ran on , come March is a very important vote. They need to decide if they will raise the ceiling adding to the deficit on America's Credit card. Folks like Rand Paul said they will vote No which essentially will but us in defunct with world economy. IE: America becomes Bankrupt.  

Of course if they don't raise it  -  they also have no way to offset the 700billion they need to borrow to make up for the shortfall they want to give the top 2%.

It will be interesting to see how they all vote in March.   My money is on they will cave.
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Re: Will you get any social security money?
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2010, 05:06:59 AM »
Thank God for the TEA Party. They are one of the few groups trying to stop the real enemis of this country. Which includes the real Axis of Evil (Obama, Pelosi & Reid). One down and 2 more to go on the Axis.

You keep that in mind when John Boehner , Mitch McConnell and the rest take your SS away .. Good Luck .
Thank god I never counted on SS and started investing 30 year ago on my own. Others on this thread
have posted they were not so Lucky.  
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Re: Will you get any social security money?
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2010, 05:10:51 AM »
Thank God for the TEA Party. They are one of the few groups trying to stop the real enemis of this country. Which includes the real Axis of Evil (Obama, Pelosi & Reid). One down and 2 more to go on the Axis.

You keep that in mind when John Boehner , Mitch McConnell and the rest take your SS away .. Good Luck .
Thank god I never counted on SS and started investing 30 year ago on my own. Others on this thread
have posted they were not so Lucky.  

Who said those two are Tea Party?
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Re: Will you get any social security money?
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2010, 07:44:02 AM »
Thank God for the TEA Party. They are one of the few groups trying to stop the real enemis of this country. Which includes the real Axis of Evil (Obama, Pelosi & Reid). One down and 2 more to go on the Axis.

You keep that in mind when John Boehner , Mitch McConnell and the rest take your SS away .. Good Luck .
Thank god I never counted on SS and started investing 30 year ago on my own. Others on this thread
have posted they were not so Lucky.  

Who said those two are Tea Party?

They're not but Boehner will have to appease both factions or else there will be infighting in the Rep party.
There is no love lost between Mconnell and Paul and caught in the middle Boehner needs to figure
out how to ensure no splintering within party ranks.
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Re: Will you get any social security money?
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2010, 09:27:55 AM »
Who's worse for this country? The dumpocrates led by the Axis of evil or the repumpkinlins?
Someone needs to change the welfare state entitlement programs. The repumpkinlins are up to bat. We'll see if pressure from the Tea party backed candidates startes down the road of making these needed changes.
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Re: Will you get any social security money?
« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2010, 09:55:18 AM »
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PMAN...on principle alone,,, I don't think you should be accepting any socialized SS donations, especially under the commie scum mosslime Obama administration, just because you have a heart condition. Just buck it up and take care of yourself and stop asking for and taking a handout...everybody has to go sometime...   



tm. Very amusing. I've made donations to them for 44 years, it's darned sure no  handout, I've more than paid my dues. Theyve used and abused MY money without paying interest for all these years, I need  some of it back now.  POWDERMAN.  :o  :o
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Re: Will you get any social security money?
« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2010, 03:28:28 PM »
The part of SS I really have a time with is what happened when carter was in office. That people over 65 could start drawing SS even if they have never paid into it.  A timeline of SS will reveal that the dems have been more detrimental to the SS system than any other group.

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Re: Will you get any social security money?
« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2010, 05:48:37 AM »
Getting something at the expense of future generations is down right WRONG! Your life and future is your responsibility and noone elses! Simple!

When SS was first implemented, people were not living as long as they currently are. This eats into huge amounts of money. As stated above, this program has been robbed and pilaged for years. If you collect SS, you will not recieve and are not recieving what you have paid in. Sounds like a bad financial investment to me, but then again, I like to earn a return on my money! Currently, it is taking two working tax paying individuals to pay for the benefits of a single benefit recipient. We could all start picking which old timer we'd like to sponsor. What will happen has the baby boomers keep getting older? To selfishly consider what you get in return for your vote is what has gotten all of us into this financial mess. It will take great sacrifice of this current generation onward to right these wrongs that have been allowed for the past 100 year.

I would like to see a time frame of fazing out SS all together. I know that I will not see a dime of what has been stolen from my labor over the past 20+ years but I am fine with that. People who do not have time to adjust should remain on the system in place. A statement above about benefits stopping in 2010, 2012, or anytime soon due to a particular party is short sighted and ignorant. We need to consider all reasonable options to protect future generations and return the USA to the land of individual freedom instead this Communist Society we have allowed to sprout up! I'm sure the Founding Fathers would be proud of what we have allowed to happen!