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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #60 on: December 02, 2010, 03:24:31 AM »
With all the Posts I want to Know if you all have seen any of the Bill Boards
These People are Publicly calling out to Believers
So with that said what if a Christian Church had a sign put up and
called their Non Belief a Disease

All religious billboards do that.  You claim that there exists a deity - essentially proclaiming the beliefs of atheists to be false.  There are hundreds (more likely thousands) of pro-Christian billboards aside the roads of America.  Nobody is clamoring to have them taken down unless it's government related (funded, on public property, etc).  The difference is too many seem to have a persecution complex.  You can call all other religions false, proclaim that they're going to hell, and you're just "Spreading the word!".  When anyone reciprocates, then oh by golly ya'll are being all oppressed and all.  Woe is you.  Its the biggest double standard I've ever seen.

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« Reply #61 on: December 02, 2010, 04:17:39 AM »
TM
Just took your translations you presented here and did a study---yes, I also have books---I own them and do not use the net.
The two you offered were 180 degrees out of context with the subject matter and what the conversation was about.
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« Reply #62 on: December 02, 2010, 04:36:51 AM »
MGM. For those of us who believe in God and Heaven it's hard to explain some things to a non believer because they have nothing to compare what we tell them to. I love my 2 neices even after they renounced Jesus as Lord and saviour and adopted the devils cult, islam. I still talk to them and they are welcome in my home, but I still pray for them and try to guide them from the path they are on. Why??? I love them, and I don't want to see them going in the direction they are headed. A Christian sees everybody as an individual,  having a soul, which, upon their death will go to either Heaven, or hell. I've seen too many miracles to not believe. Both my wife and I are living proof of Gods love, mercy,  and healing powers. I don't mean to push and shove, I reckon I hate to see the devil win even one soul, no matter whos it is. I'm not trying to lead you anywhere, you have made your choice, but I hope you can understand how Christians feel about non believers and why we sometimes seem to push a bit too much. It's because we care. What happened with the open heart I wrote about is but one example of God intervening and giving me my life back, there are more, but I won't tie this thread up any more with those stories. Charlie.   :( :( :( :( :( :(
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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #63 on: December 02, 2010, 05:24:08 AM »
  I "have books" also  ;) :D but fortunately, even if we are not linguists,  we are in an era blessed with highly qualified linguists at our fingertips. All we need do is Google   > on line interlinear Bible <   and we have brilliant linguists working for us.  Here is one..   http://interlinearbible.org/ 
      put it in your "favorites" and you won't be hoodwinked by 'ersatz linguists'. Just choose whether you want the Hebrew (OT) or Greek (NT) then go ahead and study.

  As far as I am concerned the non-believers can spend all kinds of money for signs..and they can "spit into the wind" all they wish ! They truly are comical; allow me to draw an analogy.. 
     I do not play golf..I'm not interested in golf ! However, I know some are interested in the game...and that is fine with me. For those who enjoy the game I say.."enjoy it and have a ball" ! Along with my understanding that some truly enjoy golf, I will not spend 2 minutes of my time condemning or complaining about the game they truly enjoy..I only wish them more contentment.
       We find in (John 6:44) that no man can come to Christ 'except the Father draw him'. Sadly, apparently some have not been drawn, or worse yet, they have been drawn but refused once too often and He is abandoning them, as He sometimes does, as in (Romans 1:28).
      There is a good possibility that many who aggressively resist any mention of God, fit the old proverb describing one who is "laughing on the outside, crying on the inside" !
      .... Or perhaps like the fox in Aesop's fables, who tried again and again to reach the high hanging cluster of grapes, and when he found there was no way he could possibly reach the grapes for himself, decided that the grapes "were probably sour anyway". He not only convinced himself of that.. but did his best to convince  any other passers-by who may be hungrily eyeing the grapes also...that they were indeed sour.  ;) :D ;D
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« Reply #64 on: December 02, 2010, 05:27:59 AM »
There are 2 ways to water a horse 1 HOLD HIS HEAD UNDER UNTIL HE DRINKS OR DIES ,2 put a water tank in his pen and let him go to it when he needs it . Same can be said of how Christians should treat non belivers . The #2 way has proven better IMHO .
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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2010, 05:50:46 AM »
MGM. For those of us who believe in God and Heaven it's hard to explain some things to a non believer because they have nothing to compare what we tell them to. I love my 2 neices even after they renounced Jesus as Lord and saviour and adopted the devils cult, islam. I still talk to them and they are welcome in my home, but I still pray for them and try to guide them from the path they are on. Why??? I love them, and I don't want to see them going in the direction they are headed. A Christian sees everybody as an individual,  having a soul, which, upon their death will go to either Heaven, or hell. I've seen too many miracles to not believe. Both my wife and I are living proof of Gods love, mercy,  and healing powers. I don't mean to push and shove, I reckon I hate to see the devil win even one soul, no matter whos it is. I'm not trying to lead you anywhere, you have made your choice, but I hope you can understand how Christians feel about non believers and why we sometimes seem to push a bit too much. It's because we care. What happened with the open heart I wrote about is but one example of God intervening and giving me my life back, there are more, but I won't tie this thread up any more with those stories. Charlie.   :( :( :( :( :( :(

   I think that although Charlie is sometimes very blunt and may ruffle feathers now and then..but perhaps he deserves a bit of a break. Here's how I see it... and you are welcome to take it or reject it.
       Suppose you have been suffering froom some loathsome disease for much of your life. This disease gave you lesions and great pain, caused much inconvenience and disruption in your life. Not only that, you knew some friends and/or neighbors who were suffereing from the same symptoms and the same malady.
   Then one day you bought a special salve from an Indian herbalist. This salve  properly applied, healed the sores and cured the malady, thereby improving not only your bodily health but also your psychological well being. As a consequence, you relationships no longer suffered from constant pain and your family was salvaged.
  Now, if this were your case..would you want to share the magical salve that you recieved from the indian herbalist with your friends and neighbors who may be suffering from the same sickness ? Should you be ostracized for trying to help suffering people ?  Consider now, the sickness which we know as the "sin sickness" which brings all kinds of misery into our lives. It destroys lives, marriages, families, relationships, businesses and even in some cases , the mind and/or body of the sufferer.
   That is not to say the serious Christian does not sin. However, when he/she does sin they have a mediator who is ready and able to make things right.
As we grow closer to Him..we grow farther from sin, an ongoing project. Everything in our lives often improves greatly.
  Yes, Charlie may be abrupt, but it is quite possible he really does have your best interests at heart. He may just be trying to tell you where to find the "magic salve" !

   Yes; there is a "balm in Gilead" !
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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #66 on: December 02, 2010, 06:29:21 AM »
IRONGLOW. Thanks. I only know one way to talk, never did learn to talk in circles. I reckon I'll never be accused of being pc. Charlie.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #67 on: December 02, 2010, 07:42:02 AM »
There are 2 ways to water a horse 1 HOLD HIS HEAD UNDER UNTIL HE DRINKS OR DIES ,2 put a water tank in his pen and let him go to it when he needs it . Same can be said of how Christians should treat non belivers . The #2 way has proven better IMHO .

An old saying I grew up hearing is  - - "  You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink ".

ironglow's post makes some good points.   As to powderman's bluntness.  Yes he is at times.  At church it is called 'Stepping on Toes'.  Biblical scripture say that the word of God is SHARPER than a TWO-EDGED SWORD, cutting even to the marrow of the bone.  It's like adding salt to a wound, you'll react to it one way or another.
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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #68 on: December 02, 2010, 12:02:36 PM »
tm. I asked before, how many different people post under your name??? I believe you are tm #1 now. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #69 on: December 02, 2010, 12:48:32 PM »
  TM;
  He is offering the salve, not slathering it upon anyone. In any case, as I said in my first sentence in the above post...you are welcome to either accept my idea ... or reject it..your choice.

BTW: There seems to be a major understanding here as to just what constitutes "FORCE".
   The classic dictionary definition says it is.. "The use of physical power or violence to compel or restrain". Obviously, here on the website it is impossible to FORCE anything upon anybody !
   If one believes that Charlie is trying to FORCE anyone into his views, then they must believe Cadillac, Geico, Coca Cola, Pepsi, Home Depot and Smokey Mountain Knife Works...among many others opn TV are "FORCING" others to buy their products. We all know that is not true, the strongest words to be used might be, "trying to coerce"...and that is the strongest description which could honestly be made of Charlie, even though coercion via a website is just as unlikely as real force.
   Those of a weak of will & constitution may view such as "FORCE", but it really isn't..
      
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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #70 on: December 02, 2010, 02:17:07 PM »
IRONGLOW. Ol tm #1 is just fishing, but I aint biting. POWDERMAN.  :D :D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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« Reply #71 on: December 02, 2010, 02:56:46 PM »
And why did the aetheist slander the nativity scene with that billboard?  They could have just advertised their own cult.
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« Reply #72 on: December 02, 2010, 03:35:24 PM »
And why did the aetheist slander the nativity scene with that billboard?  They could have just advertised their own cult.
Your 100% Right

Its directed without doubt, toward the Christian People and their Holiday
It is a Holiday that has been Part of our American Heritage from about 1492
They could have said a million different things about
 celebrating December 25th or NOT
even something like this I feel would be better
 " December 25th the Myth"
But they put the nativity scene baby Jesus and called Myth(no Reason)
"Join us in a day of No Hope, No Prayer,No Give a dam"
Should Christians put up boards with
No Religion = NO BRAINS


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« Reply #73 on: December 02, 2010, 03:50:12 PM »
We need not call them nonbelievers (a judgment), becasue we "shall know them by their fruits".    This is true of any religion and cult.   Don't be so quick to call someone rude and intolerant b/c you may disagree with them.   I have fundamental issues with TM7 and yellowtail3 (I ignore them both), but I will not personally attack them with name-calling.  I may give some digs like I said to one member that "he should refill his meds".   It was a tongue in cheek expression.   

To those who will say I am an Islam basher, you are name-calling and betraying your own intolerance.  Then it becomes the pot calling the kettle black. I have provided the Qur'anic scripture verse translations to illustrate the mandate of intolerance by Islam. 

Just remember the Bible says not to judge others lest you be judged yourself.

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« Reply #74 on: December 02, 2010, 03:55:30 PM »
  I think that although Charlie is sometimes very blunt and may ruffle feathers now and then..but perhaps he deserves a bit of a break. Here's how I see it... and you are welcome to take it or reject it.
       Suppose you have been suffering froom some loathsome disease for much of your life. This disease gave you lesions and great pain, caused much inconvenience and disruption in your life. Not only that, you knew some friends and/or neighbors who were suffereing from the same symptoms and the same malady.
   Then one day you bought a special salve from an Indian herbalist. This salve  properly applied, healed the sores and cured the malady, thereby improving not only your bodily health but also your psychological well being. As a consequence, you relationships no longer suffered from constant pain and your family was salvaged.
  Now, if this were your case..would you want to share the magical salve that you recieved from the indian herbalist with your friends and neighbors who may be suffering from the same sickness ? Should you be ostracized for trying to help suffering people ?  Consider now, the sickness which we know as the "sin sickness" which brings all kinds of misery into our lives. It destroys lives, marriages, families, relationships, businesses and even in some cases , the mind and/or body of the sufferer.
   That is not to say the serious Christian does not sin. However, when he/she does sin they have a mediator who is ready and able to make things right.
As we grow closer to Him..we grow farther from sin, an ongoing project. Everything in our lives often improves greatly.
  Yes, Charlie may be abrupt, but it is quite possible he really does have your best interests at heart. He may just be trying to tell you where to find the "magic salve" !

   Yes; there is a "balm in Gilead" !

IG
 I applaud you, Very well put.
Taking time too explain in the manner you did,
Is above, and beyond, the regular blah,blah,blah posts.
never settling Just,on and on...........
Unfortunately I see further in the thread
Stevie Wonder or is it Ray Charles can't pick
up on the Flat screen
 I feel sorry for their type


 IG Thank you

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« Reply #75 on: December 02, 2010, 04:09:56 PM »
And why did the aetheist slander the nativity scene with that billboard?  They could have just advertised their own cult.

  Eyeshot;
  I cannot know for sure why they would do so, but here are a couple possibilities;

1) Christianity offers a shared joy, spiritual comfort and a growing love for others and our God...  What can atheism offer in lieu of that ?

2) Atheism is a movement that can only thrive by trying to destroy what others believe. Perhaps they feel inferior, since Christianity claims eac individual to be unique, made in the image of a God and special to him. What does atheism proclaim...a human being is only a piece of flesh or evolutionary protoplasm, and of no particular value. Humans, like a rat, cat. snail or garter snake, just exist here in the flesh for a short time ..then just molder away, forgotten by man, and without a God to offer a joyous hereafter or even take note of their passing.
    Doesn't sound very attractive, does it...so the best they can hope for, since they cannot offer the joy of a home in Heaven, is to tear persons of faith down to somewhere near their level  ...which is without any hope !
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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #76 on: December 02, 2010, 04:50:05 PM »
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...but Jesus did say he has many flocks....many ways.

As a Christian I have to disagree with this statement, TM.

Biblically speaking, here is what Jesus really said about himself, and the path to Heaven:

Joh 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Mat 7:14  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

As a Christian, I would be remiss were I to fail to point this out.  The new age belief is that there are many ways to Heaven, but the Bible is rather clear that such is not the case.  Of course, if you don't believe in the Bible you'll draw your own conclusions.  I have a relative that believes in everything from Christianity to Wicca, so I'm no stranger to the modern trend.  It's a 'feel good' belief system; you set your own boundaries and no matter what, a kind and compassionate God will not let harm come to you in the afterlife.  Pah!  Read some more and discover the truth.

Matthew 7:1-7 has more realvence to this thread than 7:14 and while I am doing something I hate... quoting bible verses here are some more that you could read Matthew 6:1-7 and Proverbs 21:1-31. Now enough bible verses guys as they prove nothing and have no meaning to anyone other than those of you who use the bible.

I said way back at the start of this thread that you folks could argue who has the "True God" all you wanted in PM's thanks for reading that and respecting it...

Now seeing how this thing has already gone to 3 pages let me chime in again. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence to support anyones claims as to whether or not there is a God so why continue this madness. Personally I do not care what anyone believes I just think they should know why they believe it and not just because thats how they were raised or what ever other BS reason many come up with.

I fail to understand why it is that people of any religion feel the need to try and influence anyone to "Their Side" as if your side is truly righteous and the only path anyone can take to have a joyful afterlife then why in the world are we not all programmed to follow this path. Free will is the term given to the ability to think for ones self and not just play follow the leader. This implies that we are each given the gift of choice in how/if we come to know a spiritual faith in an afterlife and a God or Gods. It is also up to each of us if we decide to change our minds about our beliefs at any point in our lives. Personally I do not believe in any organized religion and that is my right. Lets say that there is a judgment day and I have to stand before a creator when I die and answer for my dis-belief in such. It will be my burden alone as I was given the choice and I choose to not believe but not one single person here will have to answer for me as that is my responsibility not yours. I myself am happy with my faith and do not need someone else telling me how much better theirs is than mine or how I will go to hell because I don't believe the same as them. I also don't feel the need to tell everyone about my faith every chance I get out of respect for others as I know most differ from mine.

Now on the whole "Force" issue, yes myself and the mods on this board are forced to read all the bs that each and every poster spews ( not that all posts are bs). It is part of what we have to do and I myself do not like reading how this group is so much better than that group or my god is better than your god or any of that crap. The only thing that ever comes out of these posts are hurt/ill feelings and animosity. It is no different than politics with left vs right and blue state red state... it is all just bs and for show. If you have not come to terms with the fact that there is no such thing as a good politician then you probably can not deal with religion or politics in a civil debate.

Let me say this to Pman, you say you love your niece who has converted to islam so you try to guide them, well have you ever stopped to think that it is not your place to guide anyone but yourself? Do you think that you could love her anymore than God does? If not and God is ok with her making her own mind up and using the ability he gave her and choosing her own path then why cant you be ok with it? Also if you are influencing others to follow your way are you not in fact robbing them of the whole "Choice" in the matter? Why not just say "Hey would you like to join us at church on sunday?" and if they say no drop it and if they say yes and come then maybe a bible study or two. Point is let them choose step by step rather than try to jump them right to the grand-finale. In my opinion that is just not what we are supposed do, if you push right to the end and force an entire belief system on someone then you rob them of the knowledge of knowing why they believe... all they know is because powderman said so...

I have already spent to much time on this post so I will end it here but I think there are many among us who need to step back and think about what "free will" really means... and do not come back with bible verses... myself or one of the other mods will delete them if you do... now lets get back to the discussion of tolerance of others right to believe as they choose.

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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #77 on: December 02, 2010, 05:17:54 PM »
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Matt ~ Now enough bible verses guys as they prove nothing and have no meaning to anyone other than those of you who use the bible.

 Boy ! ;   that's the truth.........  Bible verses means all (it's their Life) to those who live by the Bible.    ;D
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« Reply #78 on: December 02, 2010, 05:44:39 PM »
You know, I was going to post on this thread, But I just don't think it's worth it, now. :-[  I'll just say this and be done. I AM NOT RELIGIOUS--I AM SPIRITUAL AND SEARCH FOR THE ANSWER. According to the Medics and my crew, I was dead for 10-12 minutes. I passed through the veil and was heading for the light. Then I was stopped and a voice said that I had to back to my body because my work was not done. And I did wake back up in my body with a head ache from HELL X10. I wasn't even Med-evaced and still had to fight my track (albeit poorly, but thank God I had a great crew). Now, how in hell does a man die for 10-12 minutes and come back NOT a slobbering drooling IDIOT!!?? My only answer(after experiencing consciousness, awareness and a feeling of having been there before) is GOD'S GRACE. No, I'm not a bible thumping, pushy Christian (sorry Matt--no Bible verses for you to edit out :) ) just someone that tries to find meaning in THAT experience. No, I can't prove that experience to you any more than you can disprove THAT experience to me. ONE other thing--I equate organized religion with organized crime--both seem to want to lead you astray and want more and more of your money. Seems to me that I read in the Bible that those that gathered earthly rewards and those that prayed the loudest in public thereby received their rewards here--not in a Heaven.  Oh, and I don't give a damn whether any one likes what I have stated. what I have stated is only important to me. Take from it what you wish and cast the rest to the swine.

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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #79 on: December 02, 2010, 05:53:39 PM »
MATT. I've known those girls over 30 years, seen them grow up. We've spent a lot of time together in those 30 years, shared many good times, and even cried together at their Dads funeral 4 years ago. I love those girls like my own daughters and it broke my heart when they renounced Jesus and converted to islam, it broke their Dads heart too, he just gave up on life when he found out.  I understand what you are saying but I still pray for them and will do my best to see them give up this cult they are in. One asked for Christian prayer when a lump was found in her breast, she's pretty well fed up with islam, and thats good. I've said before that there are no American muslims. The other is a prime example of that, she won't even use her given name on facebook thanks to her so called friends. I don't want to see them going to where they are headed, these girls were raised better, but you are right, they too have free will and God still loves them, but they won't go to Heaven the way they are headed. Thank you for the thoughtful reply. POWDERMAN.  :) :)
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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #80 on: December 02, 2010, 06:16:49 PM »
With all the Posts I want to Know if you all have seen any of the Bill Boards
These People are Publicly calling out to Believers
So with that said what if a Christian Church had a sign put up and
called their Non Belief a Disease

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Let's see, there is no factual evidence to prove that Jesus was born on Dec 25th and thus it is a Myth or Theory if you like and further more the date was already in use by the pagans as the holiday for Mithra who just so happened to also be born of a virgin... but that has been debated many times over always to the same end.

Why is it a disease to use ones free will and choose not to believe? Why are you so concerned what another thinks or feels in their heart? Seeing as many of you are so concerned with others not believing as you do could those people not in turn be just as concerned about people who do believe? I just don't get all the concern with others spiritual beliefs or why it is so many feel the need to " win another soul " for their side. Why is it such a bad thing to let people think for themselves? Why is it all the religions at odds with each other don't allow or encourage free thinking or tolerance?



It is a Holiday that has been Part of our American Heritage from about 1492



Careful... Do a little research before you start fabricating dates...


1) Christianity offers a shared joy, spiritual comfort and a growing love for others and our God...  What can atheism offer in lieu of that ?


Ever stop to think that there are people out there who do not need or want what religions offer? Are they not allowed to form a community or network amongst themselves? Also it is a myth, it can not be proven and did not even become a holiday until the mid to late 1800's.

2) Atheism is a movement that can only thrive by trying to destroy what others believe. Perhaps they feel inferior, since Christianity claims eac individual to be unique, made in the image of a God and special to him. What does atheism proclaim...a human being is only a piece of flesh or evolutionary protoplasm, and of no particular value. Humans, like a rat, cat. snail or garter snake, just exist here in the flesh for a short time ..then just molder away, forgotten by man, and without a God to offer a joyous hereafter or even take note of their passing.
    Doesn't sound very attractive, does it...so the best they can hope for, since they cannot offer the joy of a home in Heaven, is to tear persons of faith down to somewhere near their level  ...which is without any hope !


So then All religions are nothing more than movements as well seeing as with atheism no one can prove anything. Although I don't understand why people choose that path it is not my place to judge them for it so I wont nor will I try to stop them or change them.

Boy ! ;   that's the truth.........  Bible verses means all (it's their Life) to those who live by the Bible.    ;D

Ok and meaningless to those who dont... that will never change... no matter how bad some may want it to.

Matt
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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #81 on: December 02, 2010, 06:35:18 PM »
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Matt ~ Why are you so concerned what another thinks or feels in their heart?

Hi Matt:   I think you are directing that question to Christians. 
Well; before they got saved, they could have cared less how others feel.  But after salvation, a Christian sees life differently.  He cares for their soul as a man would care for the safety of his immediate family (in a physical sense).  Look at the guy on the battle field saving his buddy or buddies from harms way.  Or a passerby running into a burning house to save a perfect stranger.  In a Spiritual sense, that's how a Christian feels about others.  He doesn't have to speak to them, just pray of his concern for them..  JMTC  :)
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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #82 on: December 02, 2010, 08:43:30 PM »
Matt, not following how you could continue to foster and grow a discussion on religious tolerance/intolerance and set the rules as no scripture. For those that are religious, scripture is the basis of belief - whatever scripture they use. So essentially you're saying that we can only have the conversation from the atheist perspective (i.e. no scripture). That's not a discussion at all, merely a re-framing of the argument to conform to your own particular view.

I find no truth in bashing a faith or lack of faith on the basis of the actions of its followers. In rhetoric/logic/philosophy that's called an ad hominim, or attack on the person. I may have bounced a check once or twice in my life, but the rules of math are still valid, and I'm not disqualified from teaching them to my children. Truth is truth, regardless of whose grubby paws are holding it, so rather than debating the intolerance of the practitioners of a faith, how about we discuss the intolerance of the faith itself as revealed by its foundational writings? Oh wait, that's off limits. Seriously, what do you hope to accomplish here besides silencing opposition?

The irony here is that the atheist billboard specifically targeted the Christian faith, as if the atheist position has no message other than an anti-message. And their justification for doing so is on the basis of historical human suffering in the name of a faith? As if no atheist in the history of mankind has ever done anything wrong? Really, practitioners of atheism hold a perfect ethical high ground? That'd be a ludicrous claim, and I wouldn't think any would have the audacity to say as much. It appears the atheist cosmology is simply that anyone who thinks there is a God is unreasonable, or more accurately irrational, and prone to violence. At its essence, atheism cannot exist without theists to oppose ... lexically 'a'-'theism' = against a belief in God. Not a belief in something else, just an opposition to an idea. So I am supposed to believe that a world view founded on the principle of opposition is logically and ethically superior to a world view that is founded on the principle of the existence of God? Your worldview couldn't exist without mine, so merely on the basis of an a priori principle, the atheist is left only to attempt to disprove the causal argument with no actual statement of their own.

In the free marketplace of ideas, truth will out, so billboards don't worry me at all, and atheists in general represent no threat to my security. Of course, you can't have a free marketplace of ideas if one idea is not allowed to be expressed, so if the atheist agenda is to silence theists, then a line has been crossed.
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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #83 on: December 02, 2010, 09:24:42 PM »
Whether you agree with religion or not I think it is in poor taste to attack someone else's faith. I just have to wonder if there will be a billboard put up around Ramadan claming Islam is a myth, or why not Hanukkah, or Rama Navami, or any other religious holiday. Even if you do not believe in a god it seems like you could agree that this was less about educating the masses and more about stirring up strife, just like it has done here. Do they really think that even one person is going to look at this sign and have an epiphany and just give up religon all together? Has anyone here changed their mind about how you believe based on these four pages of point and counter-point? Most people's belief system is bases upon what they learned growing up, and their own personal experiances, not what they read on a sign.

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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #84 on: December 02, 2010, 11:11:33 PM »
Matt
You present a great contridiction in your thoughts.
Who gave you the right to choose.
Why are you as adamant that there is no proof and in the same voice try and convince that there is no truth.
Truth is. It exhist. It is a fact- Truth is, even by Athesitic standards exhist.
To know the truth is what it is all about.
God is not a reasonable God---If you attempt to reason God you put Him in your own falliable box.
Truth does not exhist in a box.
God is beyond reasaonable/resonability.
Atheism is denial based on inability to reason. And, you are correct--it is a reasoned faith without basis for reasoning.
Reasoning must need to be based on truth.
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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #85 on: December 02, 2010, 11:18:56 PM »
TM
I must point you to "A Christian Thiktank" and the Linguistic wall there. See anothers answer to your confusion.
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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #86 on: December 03, 2010, 01:17:43 AM »
Matt
You present a great contridiction in your thoughts.
Who gave you the right to choose.
Why are you as adamant that there is no proof and in the same voice try and convince that there is no truth.
Truth is. It exhist. It is a fact- Truth is, even by Athesitic standards exhist.
To know the truth is what it is all about.
God is not a reasonable God---If you attempt to reason God you put Him in your own falliable box.
Truth does not exhist in a box.
God is beyond reasaonable/resonability.
Atheism is denial based on inability to reason. And, you are correct--it is a reasoned faith without basis for reasoning.
Reasoning must need to be based on truth.
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William,
As Matt stated, there is no proof either way. Please explain your thoughts on what is true and how it is fact.

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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #87 on: December 03, 2010, 01:47:06 AM »
       A few years ago, I was travelling down a highway during a very heavy blizzard. Concentrating to see through the snowy blast each time it cleared a bit, I came upon a toppled power line. A few flashes of blue light and sparks told me that there was danger here, at least that is what I believed. I stopped my truck, buttoned my Carharts to the top, pulled my hat down over my ears..got out and ran back some distance to warn any oncoming vehicles that there was a very dangerous situation ahead.
  Was I wrong in trying to warn people that they may be headed toward their destruction ? Should I have just been concerned for my own safety ? Should I have just pulled my truck aside as far as possible, and then sat there to observe the next person come into the high voltage trap ?
     Now, perhaps they could have scooted around the fallen power lines if they wished but silly me, for some reason I felt compelled to at least give them a warning ...then they could proceed if they wished.  I would still  have been concerned if they had little children in their vehicle and still wanted to "chance it"...but I could not and would not FORCE them to refrain from entering the extreme danger zone.

   Matt; it is your forum and I realize you are the final arbiter, but consider the ground rules you insist upon. Much like political debates on MSNBC; the left is allowed to bring all their points, 'facts' and philosophies to bear, while the points, 'facts' and philosophies of the right, are either disallowed or ridiculed by the moderator.
  Yes, we can each say, "I have the only truth", but as P. Pilate once asked, .."What is truth" ? I believe TeamNelson had some very valid points in his last post. He showed good reasoning power.

  Buckhammer;
      Indeed, if as you say,it were true that there 'is no proof either way', should we not be encouraged to find "truth", which ever way it leads ? 

  
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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #88 on: December 03, 2010, 01:47:50 AM »
Well---it has been discussed BH.
There is a truth---there is always a truth--beyond opinion.
Christ (God) said it was a gift from God--and without it no one can believe.
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Re: aetheist billboard.
« Reply #89 on: December 03, 2010, 01:48:52 AM »
The irony here is that the atheist billboard specifically targeted the Christian faith, .....
Nope, it targeted atheists who didn't know there was an atheist.org web site.  It probably succeded beyond their wildest dreams due to POed Christians who posted it all over the Internet.