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Well business back to the old ways.
« on: December 04, 2010, 08:36:01 AM »
It seems the republicans are back to the old game.  All those guys care about getting tax cuts for the top 3 percent.  That is why I walked away from this party because I am not that top 3 percent.  Seems like nothing is going to pass as far a tax cuts unless the big dogs get it first. 
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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2010, 08:38:36 AM »
It seems the republicans are back to the old game.  All those guys care about getting tax cuts for the top 3 percent.  That is why I walked away from this party because I am not that top 3 percent.  Seems like nothing is going to pass as far a tax cuts unless the big dogs get it first. 

Is getting it at the same time getting it first?

Also, where did these tax cuts come from for all to start with, Rep. or Dems, hmmmm?
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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2010, 09:06:19 AM »
  If the wealthiest americans don't get a break, where are the jobs going to come from? Oh wait Palusi said the unemployment checks make jobs, what was I thinking? ::)

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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2010, 10:03:26 AM »
The GOP loves people like you.  Go ahead a eat the crubs that fall from the table.  No me, I want to sit at the table, thank you.

And another thing...
When the second richest man in America says that the GOP is wrong and the top 3 percent should pay more you need to listen.
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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2010, 11:37:27 AM »
  If the wealthiest americans don't get a break, where are the jobs going to come from? Oh wait Palusi said the unemployment checks make jobs, what was I thinking? ::)

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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2010, 12:07:04 PM »
So....
Warren Buffett is worng?????

This is just me but I think Warren knows more than you !!!
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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2010, 12:27:37 PM »
a lot of people dont get it. trust me im far from wealthy but i know how the economy works.i make around 24k a year and live well on it. buuut lets just say im a wealthy man makin maybe 90 k to maybe even a mill a year, ok yu jus raised my taxes costing me anywhere from 10 to 50 thou a year? think im gonna buy that new car i was planning on?think im gonna build that new house i was thinkin bout?naww i, gonna sit back and wait and see what happens. who pays for this?well detroit does, construction workers do, the guy that would of detailed his new car or done his landscapeing pays for it.he didnt trade in his old car so that makes used cars higher for me.the guy that was gonna do the drywall is now on unemployment so that means more taxes for us guys who do still work. jeez whats it gonna take for this class warfare to quit.?im  happy with what i have, mostly because ive built it and pounded every nail in it.every person i know thats done better than me has worked harder or smarter, educated themselves better or even had better luck than me. ill be dxxxmd if they shud be taxed extra for it.

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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2010, 12:55:26 PM »
drop the tax cuts for 500,000+, drop the mortgage tax break for amounts over 500,000 and all second homes.The guy making a mil plus running a business is not going to cut back or go out of business to keep from paying taxes in fact he just may invest more in his company and hire more people to make more money to pay the taxes. Increase the capitol gains tax (who do you know that pays this) and get the money brokers paying their way. Increase tariffs on everything coming in  from other countries and have a special duty on anything an american company makes overseas and imports. Hefty export taxes on raw materials leaving this country.The way it is now YOUR great grand kids will be paying for this crap regardless of what they make.
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2010, 01:11:38 PM »
The current tax rates on the top folks have been in place for 10 years. I'll refrain from paraphrasing Dr. Phil...

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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2010, 01:35:22 PM »
So....
Warren Buffett is worng?????

This is just me but I think Warren knows more than you !!!

Soros & Buffett are Socialist or Commie in Soro's case who used our system to get ultra rich, but now think it's bad. Buffett made no such protest in his early days. What he could do to ease his conscience is look back to the beginning & pay the additional amt. he feels would have been fair, do a press conference & say this money goes to the Nat. Dept. Not going to happen. He is the worst form of hypocrite.

Wareagleguy, you eat the crumbs & let a few of the Gov. elete only be wealthy as in other Socialist nations. The
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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2010, 01:37:23 PM »
It seems the republicans are back to the old game.  All those guys care about getting tax cuts for the top 3 percent.  That is why I walked away from this party because I am not that top 3 percent.  Seems like nothing is going to pass as far a tax cuts unless the big dogs get it first.  

What tax cut are you talking about? I just reveived the open proposed bills and I see no such tax cut proposal.
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2010, 02:50:57 PM »
CABIN4. You got the wrong copy, the dems have their own. POWDERMAN.  :D :D
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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2010, 02:56:55 PM »
I'm for drastic tax cuts for EVERYONE, I'm not a tax and spend, class warfare parasitic liberal I guess. Who'd a thunk it!  ;)
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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2010, 03:03:46 PM »
It seems the republicans are back to the old game.  All those guys care about getting tax cuts for the top 3 percent.  That is why I walked away from this party because I am not that top 3 percent.  Seems like nothing is going to pass as far a tax cuts unless the big dogs get it first.  

What tax cut are you talking about? I just reveived the open proposed bills and I see no such tax cut proposal.

Indeed, only an extension of present rates, interesting play of words isn't it?
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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2010, 03:12:44 PM »
At current rate ..extending tax cuts for top 2% results in 700b being added to deficit. So what are they going to cut to offset giving the top 2% theirs. Additionally trickle down economics don't work. Never has never will.  The wealthy will not create Jobs (at least here in the US).

The top 2% own 90% of the wealth in this country , the remaining 10% is being divided up among the rest of us.  So if they already have 90 - 95% of the wealth now and they are not growing the economy today with US jobs - 

how will an additional 700B ease this situation.

Answer =  it won't

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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2010, 03:30:38 PM »
Ahh deficit reduction that is so simple. CUT SPENDING DUHHH!

First cut 30% of all govermnent jobs, next drop congressional pay to the average oof the district they represent. Cut presidential pay to the average of America's income, put congress on the social security rolls and medicare, put congress on a 401k, end all politial pensions, cut prison spending, cut welfare spending, cut unemployment spending, ect., ect.


CUT CUT CUT, are you all to stupid to see the simple solution? My god no wonder our country is so screwed up, I bet you are the folks that were so dumb you believed you could afford a 500,000 dollar house on a 30,000 dollar income just because they would give you a loan for it.  :-[ ::) ??? ::) ???
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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2010, 03:46:04 PM »
all the cuts you listed (though a good place to start ) no where near comes close to offsetting 700b.  I dont mind anyone getting a break , just show me how your gonna pay for it WITHOUT ADDING TO DEFICIT. Till then I vote NO

Additionally slashing an arbitrary 30%  govt jobs (not sure where you got that figure)  will only increase unemployment.  What 30% would you like to cut ?  be specific.

The top 2% are not stimulating the US economy now.  However they have been great outsourcing all our jobs overseas just so they can increase their own profits.
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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2010, 03:51:54 PM »
Side note no newly elected reps are in office yet so i dont think they are "back to same o same o"
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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2010, 03:53:31 PM »
It seems the republicans are back to the old game.  All those guys care about getting tax cuts for the top 3 percent.  That is why I walked away from this party because I am not that top 3 percent.  Seems like nothing is going to pass as far a tax cuts unless the big dogs get it first.  

What tax cut are you talking about? I just reveived the open proposed bills and I see no such tax cut proposal.

Indeed, only an extension of present rates, interesting play of words isn't it?

Its not a play on words. The debate is over a tax increase, not a cut. But dumb people beleive what Pelosi, Reid and Obama say.
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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2010, 04:01:14 PM »
Scoot would you say that the federal government has 1,000,000 employees at least? SO we reduce that number by 30% aka 300,000. (You see I am doing the math for you math mathimatically challenged who thought they could afford a 500,000 dollar house on a 30,000 dollar income.) 300,000 times lets say 100,000 when you add up salary and benifits equals 30,000,000,000. If mathematically challenged cannot understand that number that is thirty billion already. Now you will come back with the "yeah but these folks pay taxes too", well yes in a way they do, but in reallity  they are only giving back some of the tax dollars that were givin to them. So if you look at a tax rate of say 20% on these folks, who are now in private jobs paying actual REAL taxes, there could be another 6 billion subtracted from the deficit.

Get it? Or is that to complicated for you?

I would imagine that the folks who cannot understand this are the same ones who listened to the "financial advisors" when the stock market was tanking to "ride it out" I myself buy low and sell high, I win every time.
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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2010, 05:20:04 PM »
Scoot would you say that the federal government has 1,000,000 employees at least? SO we reduce that number by 30% aka 300,000.
Again I ask , under your obviously well thought out plan  -  what specific areas of Govt would you look at to reduce 300,000 (your Figure) Jobs. 

BTW will these folks under your plan be allowed unemployment ?

Additionally , as I've stated before don't worry about me Billy , I also have been investing since I was very young man.  Unfortunately others are not as fortunate.
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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2010, 05:26:28 PM »
How about an equal distribution from every department. Most of these slugs don't do a damn thing anyway.
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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2010, 05:48:55 PM »
How about an equal distribution from every department. Most of these slugs don't do a damn thing anyway.



Reducing each dep at least 10-15% would be a good start and save billions of $s. We could go from there. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2010, 06:55:05 PM »
Ya 10% a year for 5 years! They should get unemployment but for only 26 weeks.
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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2010, 02:49:00 AM »
Just watch the show folks.  The GOP is back at it.  You think the country is in debt now, just wait after a few years and see how bad it is going to get.
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Re: Well business back to the old ways.
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2010, 03:17:56 AM »
all the cuts you listed (though a good place to start ) no where near comes close to offsetting 700b.  I dont mind anyone getting a break , just show me how your gonna pay for it WITHOUT ADDING TO DEFICIT. Till then I vote NO

Additionally slashing an arbitrary 30%  govt jobs (not sure where you got that figure)  will only increase unemployment.  What 30% would you like to cut ?  be specific.

The top 2% are not stimulating the US economy now.  However they have been great outsourcing all our jobs overseas just so they can increase their own profits.

Its 700b over the course of 10 years, figures lie and liars figure, this is how they slant things to force people to agree with them. Personally I'm on the fence about it, but I dont know anyone who gets taxed more and this pushs them to spend more. I dont believe the gov. is the best reciepient for the money.

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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2010, 03:32:27 AM »
This thread is utterly despicable for its narrow focus on what the politicians are telling you. Wake up! The hazard to the country is that today nearly 50 percent of the income earners pay no income tax. This means that elections can be dominated by people who vote themselves favors for themselves while having no vested interest in the cost of things. Wake up!

That "top 2%" includes small businesses, not just individuals. If you think for one nanosecond that decisions have not already been made concerning your employability by the people who have to pay these taxes, you are very much mistaken. Your skills are worth a fraction of what they were worth three years ago, and it is because of US tax, fiscal, and monetary policy. You have been royally screwed, permanently, by the people you are quoting and getting your information from. The people that once had an incentive to hire you, now have the strongest incentives ever not to hire you. Need proof? Quit your job, then try to find another one. That little exercise will sober you up promptly.




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« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2010, 04:18:46 AM »
Just watch the show folks.  The GOP is back at it.  You think the country is in debt now, just wait after a few years and see how bad it is going to get.

I think you mean that Washington will cut taxes but they will never address the spending side of the problem. That is a potential outcome, yes. If it happens, we'll have to see who is at fault. The Dems still control the senate and the whitehouse. Lets see who offers legislation that cuts spending and who does not. Lets see who vots yes or no on spending cuts. Then we can all talk about who's to blame or who the heros are.
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« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2010, 01:36:24 PM »
Well for a starter let's eliminate the Departments of energy and education. 16,000 and 5000 repectivley. Plus thier contractors which is over 90,000.
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« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2010, 01:55:39 PM »
Why do we want to cut services for everyone so that top 3 percent can keep more money.  I just do not get that unless you are the 3 percent.
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