Author Topic: My 270 is crap, 5 pulls on the trigger and no deer (Read 3623 times)

trotterlg · « **Reply #60 on:** December 07, 2010, 07:20:24 PM »

Not bad I would say, you are 80% sure the H&R's will work for you (4 out of 5) If I had to bet my ass on something, it had better be more than 80% I think. Larry,

Spanky · « **Reply #61 on:** December 07, 2010, 07:43:06 PM »

I wouldn't want to be holding the one that didn't go bang when a charging bear appeared. I'm pretty sure that would suck. $:-\$

Spanky

moorepower · « **Reply #62 on:** December 07, 2010, 09:27:52 PM »

I have 6 and the rim fire broke the transfer bar in about 12-15 shots and the frame that has my hornet that was originally a .223 super lite also broke the rivet in the transfer bar. Supposedly it had less than 50 rounds through it when I bought it. My to SS guns have never had an issue, but they are both early 80's units. My other frame was bought unfired, so far so good on it. I am going to put the Topper hammers in all but the SS models so I know I won't have the problem with them. I can honestly say that other than the .44 I am putting together as a tree stand gun, with the Topper hammer, I am not real confident in the guns. I enjoy tinkering, is why I have a few, for paper and varmints they have served me well. I know alot on here consider me a gun snob, because I have 5 Sako's but I also have 5 Savages and 3 Remingtons, "for Swampy", so in general, I am just a gun nut. When the first handi I bought, the hm2 broke its rivet in the transfer bar before I got a box through, I almost gave up on them. I am sure my story is not the norm but it kind of bothers me they could not put a decent rivet in them in the first place. As I said before I like to tinker, but I sure would not take one where I was not the top of the food chain without my 629 on my hip, such as Alaska or Africa.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #63 on:** December 08, 2010, 01:26:51 AM »

Guess ya get what ya pay for ?

thejanitor · « **Reply #64 on:** December 08, 2010, 01:54:55 AM »

So if we click the back button and scroll down to the Remington or Savage forums the streets flow honey and the trees shade you where ever you walk?

Never knew there was such a place on the www. I want a house on the corner or Remington Street and Savage Blvd. (But can I keep my H&R alley? It is the one I always use to get where I want to go,) thejanitor

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #65 on:** December 08, 2010, 02:08:34 AM »

When you buy a house on the less expensive street do you really expect it to match one on millionaire row ?
When you buy a inexpensive gun do you eapect it to be as good as one out of a custom shop ? Even Remington sells less expensive guns and they don't equal they custom guns in look or function. I have seen many low cost guns that were of low quality and very few that were. In most cases cost is an indicator below a certin cost and it is all but impossible to give a quality product. In pratice if they make 10,000 gund and 1% fail they feel they did good. Of course the 100 buyers who's gun failed to fire would disagree .Just my opinion .

LONGTOM · « **Reply #66 on:** December 08, 2010, 02:14:46 AM »

They are all mechanical and can malfunction at any time, any of them, incluging the Savage and the Remington, and that's a fact!!!
Nothing is 100% foolproof.
If you have had no issues with your brand of gun, then that is great.
I have well over 50 handis and the 35 Whelen is the only one with a FTF problem so NO, I wouldn't trust my life on that one but would on any other gun I own just as you do your brand!
BTW, with only 1 out of 50 some what % am I?
Many, many years ago I had problems with Remington 130gr 270 corelock ammo and would not use any Remmy ammo for years but that was just once out of years of Rem ammo use until then.
I now trust it just the same as any other brand.
You use the brakes on your car everytime you stop and expect them to work.
Just because they have always worked doesn't mean they will never fail.
Same with any gun/ammo made.
If that is what you have at the time you need it, then you will use it and continue to until the day it malfunctions, if that time ever comes!
Most semi auto handguns are prone to a jam once in a while but 1000s depend on them everyday.
It's all in what you have confidence in.
If it has always worked in the past then why would I distrust it to do so again?
Lastly, I never go hunting that I don't have a backup gun of some sorts with in arms reach at any time, be it another long gun or a hand gun!!!

LONGTOM

STUMPJMPR · « **Reply #67 on:** December 08, 2010, 02:16:12 AM »

I would rather have the Handi than one of remingtons budget guns. The 770 and 710 were crap from what I've read. I'm not sure about the Savage, I haven't read much on there new models.

thejanitor · « **Reply #68 on:** December 08, 2010, 02:26:12 AM »

Quote from: LONGTOM on December 08, 2010, 02:14:46 AM

They are all mechanical and can malfunction at any time, any of them, incluging the Savage and the Remington, and that's a fact!!!
Nothing is 100% foolproof.
If you have had no issues with your brand of gun, then that is great.

LONGTOM

I agree, I don't have that many Handis, but I have had issues with other brands too. Tools wear out with use, some use them more than others.
Taste great! Less filling! -- Ford VS Chevy kind of thing.
thejanitor

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #69 on:** December 08, 2010, 02:49:51 AM »

Anything mechanical can break . True but the mechanical thing that has gone thru. the most testing and QC stands a better chance of not doing so as fast. The thing with the best parts selection would be a better bet. A good example is the 870 police model vs. the Express from the out side they appear to be the same but on the inside they differ. Some of the springs and parts in the Police mod. are of better quality. Why ? so they won't break in a pinch. The NEF/H&R give alot of folks a chance to own a/alot of center fire rifles/shotguns. But see them for what they are inexpensive !

gcrank1 · « **Reply #70 on:** December 08, 2010, 04:40:41 AM »

To the OP I say Thank You for your service and sacrifice! You posted with an expression of frustration and perhaps not entirely realizing that you were making yourself such a target. Well, when one is considering he is among friends, why would you think that? This hunt is over. There have been several constructive suggestions. I hope you find a solution and not give up on the rifle, but if you do, thats OK too. A man's got to have confidence in his equipment and life can be too short to put up with too much frustration.
Dont give up on us either; most of us are the kind of people who could get together at a BBQ and have some heated debate about firearms and a good time. You would probably fit right in.

Sourdough · « **Reply #71 on:** December 08, 2010, 04:50:49 AM »

A Remington Pump has frustrated me more than any gun I have ever had. Failure to feed properly.

As for my Handis, the only thing I have done to any of them had been to place an O-ring under the forearm period. I just shoot them, I don't have tinkeritus, I leave the internal works alone as long as it is working.During the summer I spary WD-40 down into the trigger, hammer, firing pin area. by winter that has all evaporated. The purpose is to get rid of any oil or lubricant on the moving surfaces. Because come winter if any is left on those surfaces it can cause problems. Never had a problem and not looking for one either.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #72 on:** December 08, 2010, 05:07:13 AM »

Be careful with the WD-40 it can harm ammo and at one time Brownell's cautioned aginst using it on metal other that to stop the bluing process. Check with them as to their opinion now as that was years ago. It was something about being a fish oil and its effect on metal parts. May be a non issue now.

Spanky · « **Reply #73 on:** December 08, 2010, 05:54:02 AM »

The hammer spur broke on my 30-30 frame. That's the only malfunction I've had with any of my Handi's.
I'm not sure why it broke and I haven't heard of anyone else having the same problem. $:-\$

Spanky

Sourdough · « **Reply #74 on:** December 08, 2010, 07:16:00 AM »

Shootall: I am constantly having people tell me not to use WD-40, or to be very careful with it. Yes it is a penatrating oil and can ruin ammo. I've been using it ever since it came out and have had no ill affects yet. I even clean my cases when taking them out of the tumbler with it, never caused a problem. Of course I set the cases on top of a heating convector over night to make sure all the WD-40 has evaporated before loading them. As for blueing, I've been told it will remove blueing, Tell that to my old Ruger Blackhawk. That gun has never seen anything else for cleaning and it is still a rich blue in the areas the holster does not rub, after 40 years of carry and use. As for my Handi 30-06, my go to gun, it's green no blueing on it at all.

moorepower · « **Reply #75 on:** December 08, 2010, 07:53:58 AM »

Here is the deal, how much would it cost to use better materials on the transfer bar, such as a steel pin in place of the cheap rivet, and since most that have done a little research find an o-ring will often improve accuracy. What would the added cost be for an o-ring from the factory and a better transfer bar, a quarter? Hopefully the new t-bar is an upgrade and the issue will go away. How much would it add to the cost when making the hammer to drill and tap for a something under 130 grain hammer extension? I would wager that the cost might actually go down, due to the cost of the Uncle Mike's extension. I would also wager that getting that heavy part off the trigger would reduce the light strikes. It would be hard for me to believe that those three things could cost $1 per gun, and the average gun would be much more reliable/less warranty, and more accurate to boot. Hey I don't expect a K 95 for $250. Do a search on misfire and you get 8 pages. How many people that actually own them have ever seen this site? Possibly 1%? Hey its a neat little gun. I really don't care if it a little rough around the edges. I have no real brand loyalty. What I do know is that it would be a REALLY easy and cheap fix that would make the gun alot more reliable and a little more accurate. If I had been the average guy and had two transfer bars break on these, I would never own another, and would have told every one I know what a "grape stake" they were. As I am a died in the wool tinkerer it is just something else to customize and fiddle with, but I sure would not trust my life or an important hunt on the current transfer bar. H&R, fix it!

nebrguy · « **Reply #76 on:** December 08, 2010, 08:59:18 AM »

Moorepower, do you not listen to those of us ( Vast majority ) that have no Handi issues ? Do you not read the posts reflecting that side of things or do you just pay attention to the ones ( VAST minority ) that claim issues ? You bring up the notion that 1% of Handi owners don't even know of this site and I don't have reason to doubt that, but you think the 99% that don't would have problems ? You claim 8 pages of FTF issues. If there was a thread made of every Handi that has had no problems, there would likely be 888 pages. Know why there isn't ? Because just like in the news industry, good news is not newsworthy. It's not spectacular. Good news is boring. S&W 44mags ? For defense against dangerous critter ? No thanks. I've owned them and could never keep them in time and a barrel turned on a new 629 after a few shots. They have tried the endurance package, but timing issues still persist. S&W, FIX THEM. Remington 700 safety issues. Rem, FIX THEM. etc etc with every brand there is. You say your S&W is fine ? That's what the majority of Handi owners are saying too, especially the ones that haven't been home tinkered with.

moorepower · « **Reply #77 on:** December 08, 2010, 10:56:04 AM »

Nebrguy, did you read that my first handi did not make it to twenty rounds before the transfer bar broke. Did you read that out of six handi and frames I have two have broken. Have you read the sticky on broken transfer bars? Have you read all of the light strikes, off center strikes, ect.ect. lately? I suppose it is possible that both of mine had the defective transfer bar, and I suppose since I have had 1/3 of the ones break, that I should except that as the norm. I would also have to expect that H&R made an improved transfer bar,"I hope" because they are so trouble free. If this small of sampling is having this magnitude of issues, you can't possibly believe that these are the only ones with issues? I guess I can click my heels together and pretend that they did not break. F.Y.I. both of the receivers that had transfer bars break had never been touched, 17hm2 and .223 super light.

trotterlg · « **Reply #78 on:** December 08, 2010, 11:52:27 AM »

Just for fun I did a search for "H&R broken transfer bar" on Yahoo. I found 116,000 instances of it listed on the web. A search for "Rossi broken transfer bar" returned 106,000 instances of it. On the Rossi they seem mostly referenced to the Hand Guns. Larry

nebrguy · « **Reply #79 on:** December 08, 2010, 01:10:44 PM »

moorepower, I think in your haste to defend just your experiences, you did fail to grasp the whole majority vs. minority basis of my last post. I ask you this time to truly read and absorb what is said . As far as your Handi experiences, I would chalk up your Handi isssues as very bad luck, just as I have had bad luck with a few lemons in the almost 50 years I've been shooting. They can be and are frustrating as Hell. But because my brand new S&W 629's barrel turned after about a cylinder full of factory ammo, would you have me chalk it up to bad luck, or pretty much demonize all 629's because of what I experienced as you have Handi's ? This was the pre internet days, so no Yahoo or Google search could be done then, but from talking to S&W themselves, and other shooters, it was a fairly common issue . In turn, I have had timing issues with other S&W mag and Colt .357 products, so almost 30 years ago I switched to Ruger .357's & .44's, ( Less cost, 5x the gun IMO ) and have never looked back. Now, do I think ALL S&W 44's & Colt .357's were / are junk ? Of course not. I just had bad luck with mine. I'm not so naive to think I'll never break a part in my Handi. When it happens, I'll have it factory replaced, and continue to enjoy what has been a great, enjoyable range rifle and venison harvester. I sincerely hope you have better luck with them in your future.

Larry, you come up with a lot of hits, but do realize the chances are great that not all those experienced it themselves. Often times it's hersay, a friend of a friend's uncle, etc., and all too often unfortunately, pure BS. No greater example of this type of internet hysteria is the entire .40 S&W Glock Kaboom debates & threads . ( FWIW, I've had 2, no issues, knock on wood ). Same way with the hashed up again Rem. 700 saftey / going off when let off topic. Do I believe it has happened, yes. Do I believe 99.99 % don't, yes. ( FWIW, I've had several 700's over the years, never an issue, knock on wood )

trotterlg · « **Reply #80 on:** December 08, 2010, 01:40:48 PM »

I also doubt there have been 116,000 transfer bar failures, but there were enough of them that they made a fix for it, and that was after Remington aquired the line. It sort of looks like (before the sale) H&R was just not looking at the problem until the check was in the bank. Still, 116,000 mentions of a problem probably indicates it would be something to consider. Larry

quickdtoo · « **Reply #81 on:** December 08, 2010, 01:47:27 PM »

Quote from: trotterlg on December 08, 2010, 11:52:27 AM

Just for fun I did a search for "H&R broken transfer bar" on Yahoo. I found 116,000 instances of it listed on the web. A search for "Rossi broken transfer bar" returned 106,000 instances of it. On the Rossi they seem mostly referenced to the Hand Guns. Larry

If you read a few of those, you'll see that transfer bar comes up whether broken is included or not, you can do the same thing with remington failure to fire, I got 565,000 hits on that!

Tim

http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=remington+failure+to+fire&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS301US301&ie=UTF-8

trotterlg · « **Reply #82 on:** December 08, 2010, 06:39:20 PM »

For whatever reason this is the most popular string on the first page right now, 1,260 views and counting, at the very least it is making GB a couple of bucks in banner displays, so I guess there is some good in everything. Bet there are a lot of people right now wiggling their transfer bars and wondering if they are going to fall off.

Larry

dougw47 · « **Reply #83 on:** December 08, 2010, 10:14:01 PM »

I have never had a problem with my 4 handi's and have hunted since '68 and never lost a deer.

I have had to hunt for a deer for several hours, but found him where he ran over a cliff.

I can see that someone might have a hard time finding a deer,
but I would not shoot another deer that day while looking for the first one.

I did have 2 AD's with Remington's of the type that they are discussing now in the '70's and 80's. I am a witness.

I have NEVER had a FTF with a Handi! Hope I never do...

STUMPJMPR · « **Reply #84 on:** December 09, 2010, 01:36:46 AM »

Quote from: trotterlg on December 08, 2010, 06:39:20 PM

For whatever reason this is the most popular string on the first page right now, 1,260 views and counting, at the very least it is making GB a couple of bucks in banner displays, so I guess there is some good in everything. Bet there are a lot of people right now wiggling their transfer bars and wondering if they are going to fall off. Larry

Nope,

Never had a problem. I pulled the trigger and it went bang. I'm taking my 45-70 out this weekend. So the .270 barrel that started the post, was it a home fitted barrel?

Sourdough · « **Reply #85 on:** December 09, 2010, 08:24:08 AM »

Hay guys, you are beginning to make me perinoid. I do hunt dangerous game with my handi's and I have never experienced a FTF in my 30-06, .223, and 45-70. Hope I don't, it could get unhealthy real fast. I'd hate to get stomped by a Moose, smacked by a Black Bear, mauled by a Grizzly, or eate by Wolves.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #86 on:** December 09, 2010, 08:27:05 AM »

Murphy dictates it probably won't happen on one of those 500yd shots Rog, just on an up close and personal encounter!!

$:-\$

Tim

Sourdough · « **Reply #87 on:** December 09, 2010, 08:35:08 AM »

Yea the last up close and personal scared the heck out of me, even thou it was only a Red Fox. I was crossing a big meadow. Concentrating on the slick trail in the snow to keep from falling. Had a screaming rabbit call in my mouth. Did not realize I was making a squeak every time my exhaled. Suddenly there was a Red Fox in view, jumped out of the tall grass at 10 ft. I just pulled the hammer and fired from the hip. I was not pretty. I was so scared I had to sit down and wait till my heart migrated back down out of my throte and into my chest.

Need to find a hunting partner, or another Beagle.

blind ear · « **Reply #88 on:** December 09, 2010, 02:19:51 PM »

Sourdough,

I had the same concerns for your safety after reading these posts. Didn't want to mention it and ginx you. Maybe a backup pistol for the bush. Good luck to you. eddiegjr

gcrank1 · « **Reply #89 on:** December 10, 2010, 04:24:54 AM »

The movie,'Man in the Wilderness' comes to mind..........
If it really is a 'close encounter with death' you probably only have time for that one shot anyway, donchathink?
Unless it is an auto loader or pump, and you are well practiced at quick followups you, most likely, dont have time to pull out a backup or even jack in anther round with a bolt.
There always is the exception, but a repeater may only be comfort to those without the bear on 'em.
Best insurance to me would be well armed companion.