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  World Council of Churches since 1948 consisting of hundreds if not thousands of Christian institutions, 560 million strong, draw the ire of evangelical judaeo-christians and ally zio-jews basically because they support Palestinian rights. This is like a Sunni vs Shia showdown and is an interesting battle to follow...perhaps the tip of the real battle.... Thusly, evangelicals pull out all stops to condemn the World Council of Churches, as a net search will show a flood of anti-WCC articles from these groups....usually accusing WCC of Biblical mis-interpretations, israel vs the church as the new israel, witnessing vs dialogue, calling them liberals and socialists, terror and fear speiling---the usual accusations,,,,oh--and also calling them anti-semitic of course, etc., etc. So, let's start the Hannuka with a good bash and trash of 560 million Christians...judaeo-evangelicals can chime in.

This is a proverbial Line in the Sand. Here is the con article by Rabbi Marvin Heir and Rabbi Abraham Cooper (both of Wiesenthal Center) writing for the fortress at WallStreet Journal.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703572404575634813393141110.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


Presbyterians Against Israel
Liberal Protestants are engaging in historical revisionism concerning Jews and the Holy Land..


By MARVIN HIER AND ABRAHAM COOPER
In many ways, the second half of the 20th century was a high point for Jewish-Christian relations. Today, however, the anti-Israel politics of certain powerful Christian bodies hampers interfaith relations and threatens to breathe new life into medieval doctrine that demonized Jews for hundreds of years.

In 2007, the World Council of Churches, an umbrella organization of mostly liberal Protestants claiming a membership of 580 million worshippers, convened the "Churches Together for Peace and Justice in the Middle East Conference." The conference produced the Amman Call, a document that condemned violence and endorsed a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but denied Israel's right to a future as a Jewish state.

It did so by insisting that millions of Palestinians—the grandchildren of those who left and were expelled from Palestine in 1948—have the "right of return" to Israel. As is well known, granting all third-generation Palestinians such a right would mean Israel's quick disappearance and its replacement by another Middle Eastern Mullahcracy or dictatorship.

The Amman Call also labeled the barrier Israel has built to keep out Palestinian suicide bombers—which has effectively saved untold Jewish, Muslim and Christian lives—a "grave breach of international law" that must be removed.

In 2008, the World Council of Churches convened a group of Protestant and Catholic theologians to review the underpinnings of Christian attitudes toward Israel. (No Jews were invited.) The group published the so-called Bern Perspective, which, among other things, instructed Christians to understand all biblical references to Israel only metaphorically.

This understanding denies the connection between today's Jews and Moses, Jeremiah and Isaiah. It marks a return to "replacement theology," the medieval view that the Church has replaced Israel in God's plan and that all biblical references to Israel refer to the "new Israel"—that is, to Christians. For centuries, that view was the theological basis for denying rights to Jews in Church-dominated Europe.

In 2009, on the first day of Chanukah (which Jews again celebrate this week), a group of Christian Palestinians issued the Kairos Palestine Document, which was immediately published on the World Council of Churches website. The document calls for a general boycott of Israel and argues that Christians' faith requires them to side with the "oppressed," meaning the Palestinians. It speaks of the evils of the Israeli "occupation," yet is silent on any evils committed by Palestinians, including the Hamas terrorists who now govern the Gaza Strip.

The Kairos document also describes the Jewish connection to Israel only in terms of the Holocaust, denying 3,000 years of Jewish domicile. "Our presence in this land, as Christian and Muslim Palestinians, is not accidental but rather deeply rooted in the history and geography of this land," it states. "The West sought to make amends for what Jews had endured in the countries of Europe, but it made amends on our account and in our land."

Most importantly, these Palestinian church leaders declared that there must not be a Jewish state because any religious state is inherently racist. They mentioned in this regard only Israel, of course, ignoring all Muslim states and others with an official state religion.

The Kairos document quickly won accolades from religious groups including from the Presbyterian Church (USA), which has 2.3 million American members and in 2004 was the first mainline American Protestant group to call for divestment from Israel.

This past February, its Middle East Study Committee announced that it would urge the U.S. government to "employ the strategic use of influence and the withholding of financial and military aid" from Israel. While conceding Israel's right to exist, it appended an apology to Palestinians. In the words of one committee member, recognizing Israel's right to exist "is to give Israel a pass on the way Israel was created and denies the legitimacy of the Palestinian people."

The Simon Wiesenthal Center will soon meet with the president of the World Council of Churches to urge an end to its campaign against Israel and the Jewish people. Like anti-Israel diplomatic and academic campaigns, such religious calls and writings won't improve the life of a single Palestinian. But they will certainly embolden terrorists and anti-Semites, and cast carefully nurtured interfaith relations into darkness and disarray.

Rabbi Hier is founder and dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Rabbi Cooper is the center's associate dean.

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From the website linked in the previous post-

AT THE VERY HEART OF THE WHOLE MATTER IS THE FAILURE OF THE WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES TO ACCEPT THE BIBLE as the authoritative, infallible, inerrant, eternal, unchangeable
Word of God. Note the following: "In the WCC we experience
both the possibility for common confession of faith and
worship together and also the obstacles to Christian unity,
We are agreed in giving vital place in our thinking to bible
study and worship; we are able to worship our one Lord in
the very different way of the churches represented among us.
YET WE ARE ALSO AWARE OF PROBLEMS CONCERNING THE AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE REMAINING UNSOLVED AMONG US and of the fact that we are yet part of one eucharistic fellowship. It is
not surprising therefore that there is controversy among
Christians about the meditative use (rather than simply the
intellectual study) of the holy books of other faiths and
about the QUESTION OF COMMON WORSHIP BETWEEN THOSE OF DIFFERENT FAITHS." One speaker said, "The document on Hope
coming out of Bangalore had succeeded in bringing out the
fruitful tension between doctrinal unity and union in
radical involvement in human hopes." But it has not settled
the underlying question." What is that underlying question?
"The problem is no longer the problem of loving one another,
but the problem of understanding the faith." The doctrinal
basis of the WCC is an empty shell-a front to deceive the
unwary. Only by accepting God's Word as our only, absolute
and final authority can we enter into true unity with those
who truly belong to Christ-and at the same time be fully
separated from those who appear as angels of light but are
in reality the servants of Satan.

That pretty much seals my ideas about the WCC.

Which lie got to you so that you refuse Him???

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AT THE VERY HEART OF THE WHOLE MATTER IS THE FAILURE OF THE WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES TO ACCEPT THE BIBLE as the authoritative, infallible, inerrant, eternal, unchangeable
Word of God.



That is the problem in a nutshell. If they really were Christians they would know that the land belongs to Israel and the palis are trespassers and squatters. POWDERMAN. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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If you belong to a church you are a member of the World Council of Churches, you may not know it or believe it but you are supporting them in one way or another.
"Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agreed, as you can all read the Book?" Sogoyewapha, "Red Jacket" - Senaca

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Jesus said the path is WIDE that leads to destruction.  NARROW is the way to eternal life and few there be that find it.  It requires a personal relationship with Christ, not a member of a chruch or chruches.  Church is only for socialising and a way to help other Christians or to support missionaries.  Many are in church and are not "saved". 

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DIXIE DUDE. Good post Sir.
tm # ????? . You called them Christians, not I. If they, like you, choose not to believe Gods Holy word it's you business, your loss. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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If you belong to a church you are a member of the World Council of Churches, you may not know it or believe it but you are supporting them in one way or another.

Not a single penny from my church or denomination goes to the WCC, and that's a few million church goers. And I would know this having worked at the national office for a spell, with access to every line of the budget. We also have no representatives in the organization, or any cooperation at any level. In which other way might we be supporting them? That's a broad statement to make given there are a couple hundred thousand churches in the US alone.
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Many people believe the same thing you're saying.
"Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agreed, as you can all read the Book?" Sogoyewapha, "Red Jacket" - Senaca

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What are we missing?
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None of the churches I attend send anything to the wcc.




edit: read the thread before jumping the gun... swampman said it not TM7.
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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I thought I was agreeing with what TN, Team Nelson said, not tm, I reckon I hit the wrong key. POWDERMAN.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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  I agree with TN that most local churches in no way support the WCC. it is not simply because as TM claims, the WCC does not support Israel, but much more as Powderman says..the WCC does not support the Bible or the God who wrote it !
  I even go a bit further trhan TN in that I will only support/attend an independent, local church...but that is simply an individual choice. I wouldn't stay as a communicant, 5 minutes in any church which supports the WCC. The WCC does too many things which are direct violations of God's word.

   Here is one of the biggest of the big shots of the World Council of Churches;
         http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/archbishop-of-canterbury-new-age-inner-light-diwali-message/
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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IG. Thanks for the link, I also read about benny hinns upcoming divorce. he's definitely not a favorite of mine. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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  TM;
   Does that message the archbishop of Canterbury delivered make sense to you ? It's no wonder so many have deserted the Anglicans.
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)