Class Warfare

[Cabin4]

What are your thoughts on the democrats class warfare rehtoric with the tax rate extension for all?

[wareagleguy]

I don't understand.  How are tax cuts going to do anything for someone on welfare?

[teamnelson]

I don't understand.  How are tax cuts going to do anything for someone on welfare?

If your assumption is that we need to expand government spending to extend welfare benefits to more people, then preserving the existing tax rates will keep the revenue source stable as it has been for a while but not increase tax revenues to match the required spending. So to answer your question, nothing.

If however your assumption is that when citizens are allowed to keep more of their earned income, that translates into increased demand for goods & services, calling for private sector growth and creating new jobs to match demand, then preserving the existing tax cuts translates into the potential of employment for some of the folks currently on welfare.

It really depends on if you think public sector or private sector is the key to a healthy economy, and since the public sector technically creates no wealth, its hard for me to lean that way.

[Cabin4]

I don't understand.  How are tax cuts going to do anything for someone on welfare?

What tax cuts?

[45-70.gov]

those on welfare need to be left to  die

if  you want to feed  them...no one is stopping  you
just don't force  me to help   those  worthless  folks

SAME  FOR EXTENDING UN-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS
cut  that  off  and people will go back to work...thank you republicans [NOT]

C4....the  phrase  is  ''divide and conquer''

[billy_56081]

those on welfare need to be left to  die

if  you want to feed  them...no one is stopping  you
just don't force  me to help   those  worthless  folks

SAME  FOR EXTENDING UN-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS
cut  that  off  and people will go back to work...thank you republicans [NOT]

C4....the  phrase  is  ''divide and conquer''

I'm with ya as soon as they get hungry, they will go to work.

[nomosendero]

I don't understand.  How are tax cuts going to do anything for someone on welfare?

What tax cuts?

Yea, funny how Libs keep calling it a tax cut. Indeed, an extension of current rates, which are already too high!

To me the real humor is this. The Dems acted like they wanted to keep those rates for the middle class, but they are liars. When the tax cut was passed originally, the Dems fought it period, but now act as though they want it for the middle class, merely to drive a wedge between those income groups, right out of the Socialist handbook, aww short attention span!  

[powderman]

Did I understand it right that unemployment will be extended ANOTHER 13 months??? Can anybody say, buying votes??? POWDERMAN. 

[wareagleguy]

45-70,
I have one question..Do you consider yourself a Christen?

[Cabin4]

45-70,
I have one question..Do you consider yourself a Christen?

Loaded question.

[Conan The Librarian]

The only warfare is between the political class and the rest of us.

[teamnelson]

The only warfare is between the political class and the rest of us.

Since the political class spans all races, creeds, colors, sects, religions, genders, and gender preferences, what is the common denominator of the political class. Is it an idea? Or a common goal?

[billy_56081]

45-70,
I have one question..Do you consider yourself a Christen?

What is a "Christen"? I myself am a Christian.

[nomosendero]

45-70,
I have one question..Do you consider yourself a Christen?

Loaded question.

I'm not 45/70, but that one's too easy.     From IIThess. 3:10 "that if any would not work, neither should he eat"

What the Gov. does is the opposite of this, they steal from those that work & give to who THEY choose, most of which can work, but don't. So, what the gov. does is immoral. Christians can & do give to those they know are in true need.

[Dixie Dude]

The Bible says if a man doesn't work, he shouldn't eat.  It also says to take care of widows and orphans.  So, Welfare should only be for those unable to make it for themselves, such as disabled, elderly, mentaly retarded, and the very young.  Government has expanded it far to much from the '60's and taken over where chruches used to provide a lot more services at a much lower cost.  50% of the American people attended chruch in 1960.  So the government has depleted social security by adding medicare and medicaid to it.  Did you also know that 200 million a year is taken from the gasoline tax and used in the general fund?  This money could have been used to repair the roads and bridges it was intended to do. 

[45-70.gov]

45-70,
I have one question..Do you consider yourself a Christen?

why do you ask  this question??

because  i don't justify stealing
in the name of charity

i  am selfish  if i want  to redistribute  MY wealth the way  i see  fit
but  not selfish  if  i redistribute my wealth the way  you or the govment  wants to

BUT  why  is it you ask this question?
and  explain the relevance

are you  making religion   just another divisive tactic?

if you are a christian...the  explain
taking  from  one to give to another
there are plenty of references  to giving what  is yours
but  none referring to  giving   away what  is others

[guzzijohn]

Quote from 45-70:

those on welfare need to be left to  die

if  you want to feed  them...no one is stopping  you
just don't force  me to help   those  worthless  folks

I will pass that on to the severely disabled and ask them to get their affairs in order to prepare for their death. Maybe you support the Nazi way of dealing with the disabled by gassing them? 45-70, I hope that you just overlooked those that truly cannot support themselves when you made that statement.
GuzziJohn

[magooch]

The majority of wellfare goes to single women with kids (meal tickets) and even considering that they made their own beds, this country can deal with that expense.  It's all the other unwarranted spending that can and should be cut.  Others have already stated that we could begin by getting rid of the Dept. of Education, the EPA, OSHA and many agencies could be cut down to size.  Foreign aid should be cut to the bone.  There is no reason the EU, Japan, South Korea and others can't take care of themselves.  We need to take care of the miserable sickies in this country before we spend taxpayer money trying to cure Africans etc.

First and foremost we need to secure our borders and get the illegal invaders out.  

I think the idea of promoting voluntary tax payments should be pressed.  Those folks who think the government doesn't tax enough, should be encouraged to go ahead and pony up any and all they want--over and above what the tax rates already call for.

[gypsyman]

C4, that is the typical political rehrotic, mostly used by the Dems. Oh you evil Rep., your going starve the welfare class if we go along with these tax cuts. First thing they throw out, on any level, make it seem like millions are going to die if the govt. doesn't step in. Bullcrap!
All these politicians are going at it from the wrong end of the candle. Lets keep the tax cut end burning, from the Rep. How about cutting spending. Lets cut 25-30% of the federal spending. Federal govt. has become like the big fat blob in the Star War movies. It needs to go on a diet, and lose weight, not just cut back on calories, but get off it's butt and excercise. gypsyman

[45-70.gov]

Quote from 45-70:

those on welfare need to be left to  die

if  you want to feed  them...no one is stopping  you
just don't force  me to help   those  worthless  folks

I will pass that on to the severely disabled and ask them to get their affairs in order to prepare for their death. Maybe you support the Nazi way of dealing with the disabled by gassing them? 45-70, I hope that you just overlooked those that truly cannot support themselves when you made that statement.
GuzziJohn

i do not condemn  helping others

i do condemn FORCING throught the power of government  or and other FORCE
to  compell  some one else to do  what  i  or you  think they should do

i feel for  and help the truly needy
and  i do  it  MORE EFFICIENTLY  then  the ''help''  taken form  me by government  on their behalf

[guzzijohn]

How does one pay for the care of individuals that require 24 hour attendant care and daily skilled nursing? My mother is 96 with dementia, wheelchair bound, requires two aids to move or transfer her. We would have loved to care for her in our home but I work full time and my wife is not physically able to care for her. We cannot afford the around $5,000 a month that her care costs and funding for home care attendants had been cut, so the nursing home is the only option. Ideally my parents should have bought long term care insurance but did not and it is expensive and rarely covers all costs anyway. If she did not have the Medicaid option what would happen?
GuzziJohn

[Dogshooter]

As I see the discourse here, 45-70 Guy is pretty much right on with his comments, but may be a little abrasive to those on the left. I agree with everything he has stated, I just would have softened the language a bit, but that's just because I am willing to observe the "kinder, gentler" rules demanded by those on the left that have no leg to stand on in defending their arguments. Wareagleguy appears to me to be one of the aforementioned "lefties" They argue for class warfare and more government. They may not realize that if we continue this mass transfer of wealth our current elected officials are trying to force on us, we will no longer be living in the greatest country in the world. We will have just another European style country that will follow all the current European countries path to financial ruin. But then again, I am starting to beleive that MOST of the lefties in our country want EXACTLY that. I just hope the silent majority in this country will stand firm and restore this country to what it CAN be and has been in the past. As for me, the only tnew ax I wouldn't mind seeing is one to raise enough revenue to purchase one way tickets for our liberal  and progressive friends so they can afford to move to the country they love so much more than this one.

[SHOOTALL]

Welfare is a bribe , pay the lazy to not be a problem. Bad thing is they have had offspring for 7-8 generations now and its more than workers can afford to pay off. Yes there are a few that need help but few !
 As to tax cuts . Well inside the beltway it thought if you could have raised taxes and don't it was a cut . Its hard for common folk to figure out but when you are dealing with other people money common sense has little meaning .
Now Cabin 4 posted warfare not welfare , He has a point it appears the democrats are going to push their agenda until the American people coil up and strike back. Health care has wound the coil really tight. Obama has seen this and backed down . The far left wants to keep on pushing so the next election might bring things to a head.
 Even We the people on wealfare are realizing they are better off the way it was.

[SHOOTALL]

well it would depend on what part the country you live in but little to do with my post really.
Did you ever consider the number of non wealfare voters that vote for it SO THEY WON"T HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF WORTHLESS FAMILY ? Again I use the word bribe .

All that said please point out where i said wealfare junkies voted it in , Bribes come from others in most cases . If you bribe yourself you should have your dual personality checked 

[SHOOTALL]

I in no way said that I said pay them to not be trouble . Get it stright

[bilmac]

Bribe is exactly what it is. Right now the number of voters who pay no taxes at all is approaching 50%. If they are ever persuaded to get off their lazy butts and vote, then we will be in the same shape as the countries in Europe that are going belly up.

[wareagleguy]

45-70,
I will make no comment on your answer.  I just want to know...simple yes or no is fine.

[Cabin4]

Since when is it the governments role to legislate Christian or any religious principals as it relates to tax policy? I would like someone to point that in the constitution.

[yellowtail3]

45-70, I have one question..Do you consider yourself a Christen?

Loaded question.

Loaded question, is it? Kind of like the title of this thread?

[nomosendero]

Bribe is exactly what it is. Right now the number of voters who pay no taxes at all is approaching 50%. If they are ever persuaded to get off their lazy butts and vote, then we will be in the same shape as the countries in Europe that are going belly up.

We are close to that indeed, as illustrated by the division in this thread.