After seeing your post last night, I more closly examined my Taurus revolvers, for the problems you had found. I don't know if my luck is just better than yours, but the guns seem fine. The only critisism I could find, is with the new 651. I picked it up yesterday, and when I got home, I had to take a few shots to check it out. I put a box of Federal 129 gr. .38 +P through the gun, and they shot low and to left about 4". I haven't tried other ammo through it yet, nor have I had enough time with the gun to say the problem isn't me. The groups at 30' were excellent , just low and to the left. This is the smallest revolver I've ever owned, so the problem may improve as my grip does.